Perhaps if we could have discussions without being downvoted to hell immediately people would not need to create such accounts.
> to protest a bill that would allow the government to extradite suspected criminals to mainland China, a violation of their democratic freedom. I stopped reading after this because, frankly this sort of claim is not…
I'm not sure that "colonial governor suggested it" is the same as "Britain tried"...
HK courts would have decided whether to extradite to the mainland in the same way they do now when deciding whether to extradite to the US or any other country HK has an extradition treaty with. China has also…
The British handed back HK to China and China said they would keep it largely autonomous for 50 years. That's what happening and I don't remember that the Chinese government tried to renege on this. But again,…
"One country, two systems" is a domestic policy of China. It's not any other country's business. People seem to be outraged by vague allegations of Russian meddling in other countries' affairs but China should be…
> Making a second Tiananmen Square painful for Beijing is not That would be in no-one's interests. Immediately after the Tiananmen Square events in 1989 the US sent a high ranking general to Beijing to reassure the…
Historical reality cannot be dismissed as 'nonsense'. > I have no idea what this refers to. You are arguing on a topic you obviously know very little about and that you don't understand, judging by your nebulous…
> Look you’re just repeating the same nonsense they are. I am describing the historical reality. I think the point of HN is to be able to do that without receiving insults in return. > They are two separate countries…
That's not knowing China. There is a public opinion and a strong one on these issues. It's not faked. As mentioned Chinese nationalism is what created today's China, not the other way round. The very existence of Hong…
> The PRC has never governed Taiwan yet essentially no governments call their imperialism what it is and tacitly accept their “unification” language. Taiwan is internationally recognised as being part of China. What…
Patriotism and nationalism are strong in China and this is not because of the government. In fact the government is an expression of this, not the cause. China was attacked, invaded, humiliated from the end of the 18th…
> The protests are over a law allowing China to extradite people without any process. That is not true that there would not have been any process. There would have been a full legal process like any extradition: I.e.…
Trying to claim that these 2 million people campaign for HK independence is not honest.
This is not necessarily a bad thing for the protesters in HK. Considering the humiliation that the colonisation of HK had been for 100+ years and the resulting nationalistic tendency of the people, if CCTV (Chinese…
> Even if I wish they could just gain independence, it seems unlikely, and it's not like any foreign power would go to war to protect HK. I never understood this. Why would HK gain 'independence'? Why would a foreign…
That's equally disingenuous. HK is not a frontier of any 'cold war'. What is happening is that some forces are trying to use HK to create problems for the Chinese government because China is getting too powerful for the…
Hongkong is part of the PRC. Its situation has no similarity whatsoever with West Berlin's.
What's happened is indefensible. Democracy and the rule of law is not to "make demands" then riot and storm the local parliament, with people flying foreign flags. Foreign media tend to actually be very sympathetic to…
I don't see what's civil in what's happened...
The government might have let them do it knowing how badly that would reflect on the movement. That does mean they organise it themselves, which looks far fetched. Having a single guy infiltrated to hang the flag?…
It's difficult to understand the aim here. This is clearly planned violence and destruction and raising a foreign colonial flag does not look like a smart thing to do. I understand that the protesters are said to be…
Perhaps if we could have discussions without being downvoted to hell immediately people would not need to create such accounts.
> to protest a bill that would allow the government to extradite suspected criminals to mainland China, a violation of their democratic freedom. I stopped reading after this because, frankly this sort of claim is not…
I'm not sure that "colonial governor suggested it" is the same as "Britain tried"...
HK courts would have decided whether to extradite to the mainland in the same way they do now when deciding whether to extradite to the US or any other country HK has an extradition treaty with. China has also…
The British handed back HK to China and China said they would keep it largely autonomous for 50 years. That's what happening and I don't remember that the Chinese government tried to renege on this. But again,…
"One country, two systems" is a domestic policy of China. It's not any other country's business. People seem to be outraged by vague allegations of Russian meddling in other countries' affairs but China should be…
> Making a second Tiananmen Square painful for Beijing is not That would be in no-one's interests. Immediately after the Tiananmen Square events in 1989 the US sent a high ranking general to Beijing to reassure the…
Historical reality cannot be dismissed as 'nonsense'. > I have no idea what this refers to. You are arguing on a topic you obviously know very little about and that you don't understand, judging by your nebulous…
> Look you’re just repeating the same nonsense they are. I am describing the historical reality. I think the point of HN is to be able to do that without receiving insults in return. > They are two separate countries…
That's not knowing China. There is a public opinion and a strong one on these issues. It's not faked. As mentioned Chinese nationalism is what created today's China, not the other way round. The very existence of Hong…
> The PRC has never governed Taiwan yet essentially no governments call their imperialism what it is and tacitly accept their “unification” language. Taiwan is internationally recognised as being part of China. What…
Patriotism and nationalism are strong in China and this is not because of the government. In fact the government is an expression of this, not the cause. China was attacked, invaded, humiliated from the end of the 18th…
> The protests are over a law allowing China to extradite people without any process. That is not true that there would not have been any process. There would have been a full legal process like any extradition: I.e.…
Trying to claim that these 2 million people campaign for HK independence is not honest.
This is not necessarily a bad thing for the protesters in HK. Considering the humiliation that the colonisation of HK had been for 100+ years and the resulting nationalistic tendency of the people, if CCTV (Chinese…
> Even if I wish they could just gain independence, it seems unlikely, and it's not like any foreign power would go to war to protect HK. I never understood this. Why would HK gain 'independence'? Why would a foreign…
That's equally disingenuous. HK is not a frontier of any 'cold war'. What is happening is that some forces are trying to use HK to create problems for the Chinese government because China is getting too powerful for the…
Hongkong is part of the PRC. Its situation has no similarity whatsoever with West Berlin's.
What's happened is indefensible. Democracy and the rule of law is not to "make demands" then riot and storm the local parliament, with people flying foreign flags. Foreign media tend to actually be very sympathetic to…
I don't see what's civil in what's happened...
The government might have let them do it knowing how badly that would reflect on the movement. That does mean they organise it themselves, which looks far fetched. Having a single guy infiltrated to hang the flag?…
It's difficult to understand the aim here. This is clearly planned violence and destruction and raising a foreign colonial flag does not look like a smart thing to do. I understand that the protesters are said to be…