Have you tested older Gemini models? I wonder if their anti-distillation security measures are silently downgrading you to a less capable model.
> Spitballing random pr pieces from companies about to IPO is not helpful to anyone, fyi. You can just use logic to come to the same conclusion. The Chinese labs have a fraction of compute and data. The simplest…
Muse is significantly faster and more token efficient. That is pretty impressive considering how much larger it is. There is a lot of potential even though this release won't shake up the standings.
China blocks ChatGPT. Which is “banning the competition” that the above posters were claiming the US would do.
As far as I’m aware, only China does this currently.
You should not trust any LLM to give you accurate legal advice. I can’t imagine all the ways that could go wrong.
They are more focused on incorporating AI into their products, for better or for worse, but they could burn a whole lot of compute to train a model that competes for the #1 spot. Is that worth it to say you’re the…
Do you use Mistral's models to help improve the European offering? Otherwise if you don't care about your data being used in training you might as well use the best, which is the US models on a subscription plan. If you…
Potentially higher cache hit rate at the expense of your data being kept for training.
The European labs are distinctly disadvantaged. US labs scraped the entire internet and downloaded copyrighted works to train their models and just paid a fine. They get 99% of all investment money in AI because of the…
> What's your point again I said it in my original comment. That is the moat. The reason frontier AI is a two horse race. European labs cannot gain ground because the only way to do it is illegally.
> Anthropic would be running their own distillation “attacks” too if _they_ were the ones playing catch-up Probably. But if OpenAI or Anthropic stole your credit card to purchase tokens you could sue them. You won't get…
Yes but Claude is filtered by the Great Firewall. Anthropic also restricts Chinese access. Their security measures aren't bulletproof but they do catch a substantial amount of those accounts and ban them. That's why PRC…
The workarounds used to bypass Anthropic's security measures are quite illegal. They use stolen credit cards, API keys, and accounts. That is only possible in China because any other US/EU lab doing the same would get…
The 3 US models have their own style. Qwen3.8 is very clearly distilled from Claude models.
We all get Segways, problem solved.
Add in a heaping dash of anti-american sentiment, and you will get the truth behind the pessimistic commentary. Downplaying the latest models capabilities is frankly insane considering what we’ve seen what OpenAI’s…
> Qwen 3.8 and GLM 5.3 Flash were not just cheaper, the results were significantly higher quality How can they be higher quality than models they were distilled from?
Unusual means? It’s illegal to steal accounts and credit cards. Completely sanctioned by PRC. No other country can compete since they must follow the law, hence mistral not even trying anymore.
> these proxy services create thousands of new accounts using false identities, fake or stolen credit cards, and stolen API keys. They will often use stolen API credentials belonging to legitimate companies or…
> Framing learning from observation as somehow bad. How about hacking accounts, using stolen credit cards, and sending data to the US silently? > Pretending that this is bad It is. This makes AI a 2 horse race because…
Except they use thousands of stolen credentials which is definitely not legal. They also don’t notify users they send data to US labs which can include sensitive information. EU labs like mistral cannot legally do any…
They mean distillation is legitimate when labs use one of their own stronger models to train a smaller one. They certainly aren’t advocating for PRC labs to distill Claude for open weight models.
The list of professions made obsolete is very long. Why should programming be protected if AI in the future can make software better, safer, and cheaper?
Yes, I have Tailscale on my AppleTV. Only traffic attempting to reach your tailnet is routed to you, the rest is on his own network. If you want to make it super easy for non technical people also use reverse proxies to…
Have you tested older Gemini models? I wonder if their anti-distillation security measures are silently downgrading you to a less capable model.
> Spitballing random pr pieces from companies about to IPO is not helpful to anyone, fyi. You can just use logic to come to the same conclusion. The Chinese labs have a fraction of compute and data. The simplest…
Muse is significantly faster and more token efficient. That is pretty impressive considering how much larger it is. There is a lot of potential even though this release won't shake up the standings.
China blocks ChatGPT. Which is “banning the competition” that the above posters were claiming the US would do.
As far as I’m aware, only China does this currently.
You should not trust any LLM to give you accurate legal advice. I can’t imagine all the ways that could go wrong.
They are more focused on incorporating AI into their products, for better or for worse, but they could burn a whole lot of compute to train a model that competes for the #1 spot. Is that worth it to say you’re the…
Do you use Mistral's models to help improve the European offering? Otherwise if you don't care about your data being used in training you might as well use the best, which is the US models on a subscription plan. If you…
Potentially higher cache hit rate at the expense of your data being kept for training.
The European labs are distinctly disadvantaged. US labs scraped the entire internet and downloaded copyrighted works to train their models and just paid a fine. They get 99% of all investment money in AI because of the…
> What's your point again I said it in my original comment. That is the moat. The reason frontier AI is a two horse race. European labs cannot gain ground because the only way to do it is illegally.
> Anthropic would be running their own distillation “attacks” too if _they_ were the ones playing catch-up Probably. But if OpenAI or Anthropic stole your credit card to purchase tokens you could sue them. You won't get…
Yes but Claude is filtered by the Great Firewall. Anthropic also restricts Chinese access. Their security measures aren't bulletproof but they do catch a substantial amount of those accounts and ban them. That's why PRC…
The workarounds used to bypass Anthropic's security measures are quite illegal. They use stolen credit cards, API keys, and accounts. That is only possible in China because any other US/EU lab doing the same would get…
The 3 US models have their own style. Qwen3.8 is very clearly distilled from Claude models.
We all get Segways, problem solved.
Add in a heaping dash of anti-american sentiment, and you will get the truth behind the pessimistic commentary. Downplaying the latest models capabilities is frankly insane considering what we’ve seen what OpenAI’s…
> Qwen 3.8 and GLM 5.3 Flash were not just cheaper, the results were significantly higher quality How can they be higher quality than models they were distilled from?
Unusual means? It’s illegal to steal accounts and credit cards. Completely sanctioned by PRC. No other country can compete since they must follow the law, hence mistral not even trying anymore.
> these proxy services create thousands of new accounts using false identities, fake or stolen credit cards, and stolen API keys. They will often use stolen API credentials belonging to legitimate companies or…
> Framing learning from observation as somehow bad. How about hacking accounts, using stolen credit cards, and sending data to the US silently? > Pretending that this is bad It is. This makes AI a 2 horse race because…
Except they use thousands of stolen credentials which is definitely not legal. They also don’t notify users they send data to US labs which can include sensitive information. EU labs like mistral cannot legally do any…
They mean distillation is legitimate when labs use one of their own stronger models to train a smaller one. They certainly aren’t advocating for PRC labs to distill Claude for open weight models.
The list of professions made obsolete is very long. Why should programming be protected if AI in the future can make software better, safer, and cheaper?
Yes, I have Tailscale on my AppleTV. Only traffic attempting to reach your tailnet is routed to you, the rest is on his own network. If you want to make it super easy for non technical people also use reverse proxies to…