I get to choose a new laptop for work. I'd like to switch back to Linux as I think it does 95% of what a Mac does, and it's better at some things. What are people using?
ThinkPads generally run Linux very well. I use an old X220 with Mint 17 and it fits my needs. ThinkPads are also well suited to business use and will last many years. X series for ultraportables with small screens, T series for high performance machines.
I'm having trouble with the graphics acceleration with an intel graphics card on Debian. This is on an x250. I'm kind of surprised, because it's the first time that the intel chipsets fail me. Usually they work the best because the drivers are free.
I'm using the driver versioned at 2:2.99.917 from backports, although I see that unstable has added stuff from a recent git branch. Still, if apparently I'm using the latest released driver, shouldn't that be enough?
Have you tried removing the Intel graphics drivers? Based on "It is probably time to ditch xf86-video-intel[1]" I removed the intel drivers from a debian machine and an Arch machine and things have become more stable for me.
An X120 with Fedora (later Arch) saw me through five years of grad school. Based on that experience alone, I'd recommend the ThinkPad. However, SuperFish lost Lenovo a lot of goodwill with me. I'm not sure that today I'd buy a laptop where I suspected that the firmware might be out to get me.
Edit: SuperFish wasn't in the firmware. Why do I associate Lenovo with evil firmware?
Yeah, pretty much any modern X series Thinkpad runs any flavor of Ubuntu well in my experience. I run Ubuntu 14 LTS on a 6 year old X201. Goes like a champ. You really can't go wrong with Thinkpads, unless you're concerned about that preinstalled malware thing on their newer machines, which... you probably should be.
I haven't installed Linux on it yet, but I've been really impressed by the Microsoft Surface Book - even leaving aside the tablet functionality it's just a really nice laptop, with the best features vs size/weight I've seen going.
Yes. In my experience good Linux hardware is mostly just good hardware, and there's an active surface linux community so there's likely to be good driver support. But I don't have direct personal experience of it yet.
I recently bought a gen4 ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Despite a couple of issues first getting started with Linux (I've been using OS X for years aside from running Ubuntu on my web servers) I'm now happily on Fedora 23. There was a kernel bug that I think is being patched atm, requiring booting with intel_pstate=no_hwp but no problems with Fedora other than that.
When discussing this on the ThinkPad subreddit a Red Hat employee mentioned that their standard issue work laptops are ThinkPads with Red Hat Enterprise installed, but most engineers then switch to Fedora. As a result Fedora tends to run very well on ThinkPads (according to him and in my so far limited experience), as they have many Red Hat engineers working on that OS every day.
The X1 Carbon has a Skylake CPU, so the problem that Linux doesn't have support for the higher C-states resulting in reduced battery life and reduced total CPU lifetime should apply to you, right??
(I have tested the predecessor (gen3) and liked it. I'm waiting for the 16GB gen4 X1 Carbon to become available here in Germany, drop enough in price to be affordable, and for Linux to support all the C-states.)
> I have finally compiled a patched kernel myself and couldn't be happier with results. Not only battery life increased (~1 additional hour), but what's more important, performance on battery improved significantly.
(Note: I have not tried this myself yet...maybe this weekend)
Some other possibly useful links I just came across related to this patch:
Looking at the patch, it doesn't appear to tackle the sleep state coordination issues that mjg59 was talking about. Which doesn't mean that the impact of this patch on power savings isn't still nice to have. I figure it'll take them a while longer to get sleep states working as intended.
Be interesting to know what hardware Linus use, though given security is a low priorty for him, not sure what this would mean.
Personally, I would like to know if the gen4 ThinkPad X1 Carbon (hardware, bios, firmware, drivers, etc) have any know exploits or notable security measures.
Anyone know?
EDIT: As a result of the comment below, as of 2012, Linus says, "I love my MacBook Air!" - source:
I think Linus switches semi-often because as others have pointed out I've seen him with MBA's and OpenSuse.
I however enjoy Fedora very much and part of why I made the switch from Debian fanboy to Fedora convert was because I learned how to use SElinux and found it absolutely charming. ;)
I don't think security is a low priority for Torvalds, it's just his philosophy is broader and more nuanced on this issue that it makes him seem anti-security.
I actually don't agree with him entirely, but I understand his philosophy. Hopefully I'm not mischaracterising him, but I believe that in essence his view on security boils down to issues:
1. Security bugs are just a bugs and should be fixed and not treated much more differently than you would any normal, high priority bug.
I believe that's why they don't highlight security flaws in the changelogs. I think it's a mistake myself, but I do understand this position and it's not necessarily wrong. Note that I've not ever seen him say that security is NOT a concern, he just doesn't seem to want to prioritise it above bugs like those that call data corruption or kernel panics.
2. He has a view on trust - you must take care to keep your "network of trust" reliable. He write that:
"What happens is that the way merging is done is the way real security is done. By a network of trust. If you have ever done any security work, and it did not involve the concept of network of trust, then it wasn't a security work, it was masturbation. I don't know what you were doing but trust me, it's the only way you can do security, and it's the only way you can do development. The way I work, I don't trust everybody. in fact I am a very cynical and untrusting person. I think most of you are completely incompetent. The whole point of being distributed is I don't have to trust you, I do not have to give you commit access. But I know that among the multitude of average people, there are some people that just stand out that I trust, because I've been working with them. I only need to trust 5, 10, 15 people. If I have a network of trust that covers those 5, 10, 15 people that are outstanding, and I know they are outstanding, I can pull from them. I do not have to spend a lot of brainpower on the question. When Andrew send me patches, he actually does not use git, it's some kind of defect, but other than that, he is a very solid person. When he asks me to pull, he does it by sending a million patches instead, I just do it. Sometimes I disagree with some of these patches, but at some point, trust means, ... never having to say you're sorry? ... I dunno ... It basically means that you have to accept other people's decisions. And the nice thing about trust is that it does network. That's where the network of trust comes in. I only need to trust a few people that much."
The high-end Thinkpads are generally safe choices. I've been really happy with my Broadwell X250, although there were similar kernel issues when it was flunking new.
Still does ~20 hours with extended battery after more than a year of heavy usage. And they're some of the most robust portables available.
I'm using an ASUS Republic of Gamers Laptop with Linux Mint. My only issues are the Nvidia GPU, thankfully it has an integrated GPU from Intel so I can switch off to that and avoid the odd issues, that and an odd config that has my hard drive reading nonstop, a simple terminal command fixes it, but I have to do it anytime I come back. I might try openSUSE which is my favorite distro to see how all of these "issues" play out. I'd say spec the hardware for faults related to GPU, look for a GPU that has great support, if you prefer a specific distro as on their IRC channel etc.
Top two hardware issues that ruin Linux for me:
* GPU drivers support is either broken or non-existent.
* Wi-Fi drivers non-existent or not included in a particular distribution out of the box (seriously?)
Not using it and haven't bought it, but the Lenovo T460 looks like a good option.
The T460p is due out in the next few weeks and is geared toward performance with the use of discrete graphics and Intel core i5/i7 processors from the HQ line.
The T460s is geared for mobility, and can be bought today.
And also available today, the regular T460 model is a compromise between the two.
I tried going with System76 after having a good experience with one of their earlier models. Unfortunately the keyboard experience was _terrible_ - so as a portable it failed hard. Everything else was stellar.
By terrible I mean actually missing keystrokes noticeably often, even around 60wpm.
I just got a System76 machine (a Lemur; their 14" machine: https://system76.com/laptops/lemur), and I haven't seen any dropped keystrokes. I wonder if the keyboard problems are specific to one model.
I'm running Arch on a Dell M3800, most of my colleagues are running various Ubuntu flavours on the same hardware. Works well, up to and including the touchscreen.
Battery life is poor compared to a Mac, but it's really light given the compute power.
I have had to replace the screen on my M3800 twice now in one year (it develops two shadowy lines on the screen), and there are some other issues that I don't like; The "sound card" had an bug that makes it give off a quite noticeable white noise. It also has a slight coil noise that I'm not a huge fan of.
I've had excellent experience with Dell Latitude laptops. I was using a Dell Latitude E6420 running Linux Mint for about two years until it stopped charging completely and I had to keep it plugged in for it to work. I ended up replacing it with a refurbished E6420 with almost identical specs for a little under $300. It's my primary computer and, with the 9-cell battery, can hold a charge for about 8 hours.
If you don't disable quick-charge in the BIOS/UEFI many Dell Latitude batteries get eaten up in a matter of months, especially the 9-cells. I learned the hard way. When I bought the E6420 I disabled. Original 9-cell is still good after all this time. The 1600x900 is sufficient too, I don't know how people work off of 1366x768. Cheap $10 DVD replacement tray for a second drive. Great battery life.
You can still get them refurbished from Dell, sometimes with 40-50% discounts for $250-300. Very worthwhile for a second portable.
Absolutely no issues in Debian even with the dedicated nVidia. Even the keyboard backlight works with no issues.
Personally I really like using a MacBook Pro running Linux via Parallels. For me, it's the best of both worlds. Obviously it wouldn't work for everyone, but I think it's worth consideration.
Does anyone have one of these? - I've been thinking about getting one as a slightly "occasional" larger laptop for longer trips - I have an 11' air that I take to work every day thus I don't really want to shell out for a macbook pro just to get the 15inch screen
Speccing up the triton with the HD screen and a bit more Ram is GPB500, which seems quite reasonable for a decent machine for programming and the odd bit of web surfing.
The review linked here looked quite positive, but I'd been keen to here from someone that actually has one.
I have a Thinkpad X1 carbon gen 2 and have absolutely no problem with it. In fact it's an amazing little laptop that I highly recommend if it's in your price ranges.
I believe the latest generation of that laptop have a few minor issues with linux that are easily fixable.
We use Dell's Precision 15 5000 laptops. We get them with a Xeon E3-1505M and Quadro M1000M, which performs great in what we're doing (simulation, extremely multithreaded sensor processing, etc.). They're not cheap, but if you want "the best", I'd say they're a good candidate.
All Intel (but not Skylake) tends to be pretty good.
My old MacBook Air 11 2012 (which Linus himself used to use) is almost perfect. It's only missing ACPI events for battery discharges (something I've only seen in x220, but I hated its fan noise).
I'd like to point out that some very cheap Chromebooks that are getting Libreboot support (not ready yet for prime time though):
Hint: the 2011 airbook is practically indistinguishable to the 2012 model. but the 2012 model has a cheaper SSD.
factory firmware on that SSD has a bug that causes it to permanently lock up / disappear from the bus, with the result that all data on it is lost. Apple will replace the SSD when it happens, but data will be gone.
If you're getting/using the 2012 model, I'd recommend getting a replacement SSD from OWC or Transcend before installing Linux.
The wifi is Broadcom and works poorly under Linux. Not so many crashes anymore, but frequent disconnects, horrible performance and quick loss of of signal when the ether is crowded or the laptop is a few meters away from AP.
The wifi card can be replaced, but AFAIK, the Apple-provided firmware will not allow the machine to boot if the PCI ID of the wifi card does not match the original broadcom one. I don't think coreboot runs on the airbook either.
I just got a Dell precision 15 with ubuntu 14.04, $2K after tax - I returned it because the wifi rarely works, The gpu switching makes the gpu basically unusable because of screen tearing ( X.org sucks), and the battery life still is terrible( without some heavy optimizations). In 2016 it is sad that there still isn't a good seamless hardware/software linux laptop out of the box, It could be a great OS for day to day laptop use.
I would recommend just buying a cheap dell or hp with an intel wifi card and no dedicated gpu and install ubuntu on that - at least you wont feel cheated after spending $1.5K+ on some nice hardware, and your battery life will be tolerable. I have heard macs run linux fairly well too.
I use a Mac at home but at work I'm using a Lenovo E550. It's a lot more bulky than my mac and it feels cheap in the hand but that's where my complaints end. It's a great computer for work installing Ubuntu on it was a breeze and it even still works with the dock so I can have triple monitors at work. The only thing I wish I could change is installing a SSD but alas the company I work for will only pay for so much ;) I've got an i5, 16GB of RAM(that I can upgrade), and a 500GB hard drive.
My general advice would be to check the Arch wiki (https://www.archlinux.org/), whether you intend to run Arch or not. It's a pretty good indicator to determine how much support you're going to get with the laptop and whether things generally work as they're supposed to. For example, here's the page for my laptop: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_13_%282015%29
I have Dell XPS 9350 and it's not that good. Hardware is cool, though (and only XPS 13 that has 16GB option). I have Ubuntu 15.10 and needed to install custom kernel to get everything working.
How is the battery life? I have this exact model, but I heard skylake had strange sleep or power saving problems under Linux. You have the 3200x1800 display too, and I am curious about scaling too. The drivers are terrible for Windows too. Been on support since November about the failing DPTF drivers.
I have written this elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11492941), but I caution everyone away from the 13 DE and go with the Precision instead (15"). I could dig up the litany of Dell Forum posts I wrote and responded to for my XPS 13DE (9343), but it would be time consuming. They eventually sorted it out, but the issue isn't the Sputnik team, its the hardware in the 13" XPS. The Precision M3800 has better hardware suited for Linux (Intel vs. Broadcom wireless for example).
Also the Precision has thunderbolt...absolute must if you want a reasonable docking solution under Linux.
What issues did you have besides wireless? I just bought one and ordered an intel card to put in (now waiting on a torx screwdriver because I didn't noticed I didn't have one! XD)
I'm planning on Arch, but if I get sick of that or find my terminal-fu lacking, I'll probably go back to Mint.
Heh. The list I could make for you my friend. For one, there is a dynamic contrast 'feature' that can't be disabled from linux. When you look at dark screens, it will decrease the brightness of the backlight. The goal here was when looking at light screens it increases the brightness to make it look like it has great contrast.
Suspend and powersaving is an issue (see MJG59's blogpost about the chipset), almost unworkable if you don't get powersaving sata working first.
Thunderbolt support is non-existent. 1/3 of the time I hot unplug a displayport monitor my machine freezes.
You can't disable the keyboard backlight, it turns back on whenever you press a key.
Oh, and no one on the sputnik team has tested the displaylink video out adapter they sell with the device.
Oh, and my alt key popped off 31 days after getting the machine.
sethish has some comments about the Precision M3800 I think (he mentions Thunderbolt and the 13 only has mDP), but here is a short list:
- Keyboard drivers (phantom keys, double key registers, no registers). Keyboard was basically unusable until kernel 3.19.
- Synaptic PS/2 mouse drivers. Like keyboard, mousepad was unusable until 3.19. I still can't use it with tap-to-click because palm detection is so bad. But that is ok for me since press to click is my preferred anyway.
- Power management was awful (again until 3.19)
- Misc. usability problems
- mDP/external display connectivity issues
- Suspend/resume issues
Those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. At this point I think I have a stable machine, but with some quirks...but as a Linux user I sort of expected quirks so they aren't deal breakers for me anymore. Still, I would recommmend M3800 over the 13" DE.
Oh one more:
- Sometimes PS/2 drivers report mouse movements as touch movements (I have touchscreen)...this means using Chrome is impossible since moving the mouse "scrolls" as if you were on a touch screen.
1) If you're used to a retina macbook pro, you're doomed. There's nothing with as good display and touchpad.
2) If you can handle low resoltions (1920x1080 or even 1366x768) and generally lower quality screens, get a Thinkpad. New ones are very expensive but generally solid, while older ones are cheap and work well with Linux.
3) If you want a good screen, there's only Dell XPS 13. If you live in one of the few lucky countries, you can get it with preinstalled Dell Ubuntu fork.
Nit: Some ThinkPads have 2560 x 1440 displays now (or higher, I think, on the big ones). And their keyboard and touchpad buttons are vastly superior than Apple (though some people have wrong opinions on this). They also don't overheat like Apple, generally speaking.
Agreed. My Dell XPS 15 is running at 3840x2160. Unfortunately, there's a few quirks:
- Wireless drivers broken in Jessio (unless you build your own kernel)
- UI elements are EXTREMELY small (you have to set DPI before window manager starts)
How well does the touchpad work under Linux? Also, how is the battery life and GPU switching? I'm currently deciding between the XPS15 and waiting for the rMBP refresh, and the XPS15 is seriously tempting.
Battery life is awesome. I could probably go 6-7 hours, haven't tried though as I'm mostly connected.
As for graphics drivers, it's shitty at the moment. There's no native acceleration is I haven't bothered to recompile kernels as it doesn't concern me (it's a work machine).
Someone else will be getting the same machine soon, so I'll wait for him to be my guinea pig.
Isn't that just compensating for lack of right and middle click? I'd prefer to put as little pressure as possible, and like the tactile positioning of buttons.
But obviously people disagree else they wouldn't rave about the subpar keyboard and rather hot chassis as well ;).
Force touch is different than their prior trackpads. It's an excellent hardware innovation that uses magnets (I think) to simulate the feeling of real hardware moving, and offers very gentle presses and several stages of deeper pressure with actual tactile feedback on your fingers, and software can respond to the different pressures nicely. I highly recommend. In a few years, the other manufacturers will probably try to copy it and put on all their machines also, as it is a big boost to the hardware UI.
This Force Touch is also making its way to their iOS devices in a variation they are calling 3D Touch. Like many Apple technologies, it's one of those things that after you use it for awhile, it's really hard to go back to anything else. I guess that's what you get for premium prices, and thankfully it's worth it!
I don't think anyone is raving about the trackpad buttons on the MBP because there effectively aren't any. IMO, replacing them with multi-touch gestures is the way to go, and they've done that very well.
The new keyboard on the new(ish) MacBook is kind of a short travel that I'm not fond of (from my quick tests at the store), but I definitely prefer the "chicklet" keys to the right-up-next-to-each-other keyboards I've used elsewhere. I haven't used a Thinkpad in about 6 years now, so maybe they're better now. Looks like they have the chicklets now too.
Not sure what you mean about Apple overheating. Cupertino doesn't get that hot, and they probably have AC when it does get into the 80s. But, maybe you mean Macs, and I haven't had any issue with my Macs overheating. Maybe you got a dud when you were trying one out?
My Asus UX305 (I have the previous Broadwell based model) was able to install Ubuntu with no extra configuration.
The battery life, storage, and matte IPS screen are excellent and the device is extremely thin and light. The overall build quality is comparable to the MacBook Air but it costs half as much. The trackpad works very well.
I bought it a few months ago for $600 from the Microsoft Store (irony acknowledged).
Edit: My one and only complaint is that it only has mini-hdmi 1.4 instead of DisplayPort or HDMI 2, so no 4k@60hz external monitors.
I have the same and concur no issues with debian, and about the HDMI, it's infuriating because on the same chassis last year, it was a full size HDMI...
Someone just chose to change that particular port.
Came here to say that. I have Ubuntu running on a UX305CA and it works phenomenally well. You do have to update the kernel out of the box or the touchpad wont work.
Retina 13" MBP 2015 works quite well, except for simultaneous use of the retina display with a non-hidpi monitor. You can also dual boot or with a little twiddling run OS X in a VM.
My Boss picked up an Ubuntu Dell Precision 15 5000 and though it's a beautiful machine ("4k" or "retina" screen, metal, etc.), it turned out to be a bit buggy/odd with the version of Ubuntu that it came installed with. May be nVidia Optimus related and the fact that it came with 14.04.x rather than a newer version of Ubuntu, not sure.
And among other things Dell installs a special custom package to prevent the super key from working at all, which was/is very odd and was a bit of a hassle to reverse because not only do you have to uninstall their super key disable package, but you have to install a tool to configure Compiz to re-enable it once the package is gone.
I'm guessing (but don't know) you get a better experience with the XPS 13"?
It's a good idea to keep an eye out for the list here. There's a Thinkpad there which runs completely on free software, a good indication that the hardware support will be good:
I'm dual-booting Win 8.1 & Ubuntu 15.10 on a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro and Ubuntu works great, including touch screen, video, sound & Spotify, the whole works. As a bonus, if you're a distro explorer is has a "Novo" button in addition to a power button. "Novo" takes you straight to the Setup/boot menu, and distros boot well from SD cards. I've played with Kali, Tails and Ubuntu Gnome this way.
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1: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4cojj9/it_is_pro...
Edit: SuperFish wasn't in the firmware. Why do I associate Lenovo with evil firmware?
Edit2: Right, it was this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10039870
Anyone have any experiences running Linux with this or the P70 model?
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/korora-penguin-gnu-li...
The fact that it works with Trisquel is a good indication that the hardware support is good.
When discussing this on the ThinkPad subreddit a Red Hat employee mentioned that their standard issue work laptops are ThinkPads with Red Hat Enterprise installed, but most engineers then switch to Fedora. As a result Fedora tends to run very well on ThinkPads (according to him and in my so far limited experience), as they have many Red Hat engineers working on that OS every day.
Previous HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11492070
(I have tested the predecessor (gen3) and liked it. I'm waiting for the 16GB gen4 X1 Carbon to become available here in Germany, drop enough in price to be affordable, and for Linux to support all the C-states.)
> I have finally compiled a patched kernel myself and couldn't be happier with results. Not only battery life increased (~1 additional hour), but what's more important, performance on battery improved significantly.
(Note: I have not tried this myself yet...maybe this weekend)
Some other possibly useful links I just came across related to this patch:
- https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/4d6qj5/psa_linux_...
- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RawhideKernelNodebug
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system)
Be interesting to know what hardware Linus use, though given security is a low priorty for him, not sure what this would mean.
Personally, I would like to know if the gen4 ThinkPad X1 Carbon (hardware, bios, firmware, drivers, etc) have any know exploits or notable security measures.
Anyone know?
EDIT: As a result of the comment below, as of 2012, Linus says, "I love my MacBook Air!" - source:
http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds...
http://www.businessinsider.com/linus-torvalds-qa-2014-6
I however enjoy Fedora very much and part of why I made the switch from Debian fanboy to Fedora convert was because I learned how to use SElinux and found it absolutely charming. ;)
I actually don't agree with him entirely, but I understand his philosophy. Hopefully I'm not mischaracterising him, but I believe that in essence his view on security boils down to issues:
1. Security bugs are just a bugs and should be fixed and not treated much more differently than you would any normal, high priority bug.
I believe that's why they don't highlight security flaws in the changelogs. I think it's a mistake myself, but I do understand this position and it's not necessarily wrong. Note that I've not ever seen him say that security is NOT a concern, he just doesn't seem to want to prioritise it above bugs like those that call data corruption or kernel panics.
2. He has a view on trust - you must take care to keep your "network of trust" reliable. He write that:
"What happens is that the way merging is done is the way real security is done. By a network of trust. If you have ever done any security work, and it did not involve the concept of network of trust, then it wasn't a security work, it was masturbation. I don't know what you were doing but trust me, it's the only way you can do security, and it's the only way you can do development. The way I work, I don't trust everybody. in fact I am a very cynical and untrusting person. I think most of you are completely incompetent. The whole point of being distributed is I don't have to trust you, I do not have to give you commit access. But I know that among the multitude of average people, there are some people that just stand out that I trust, because I've been working with them. I only need to trust 5, 10, 15 people. If I have a network of trust that covers those 5, 10, 15 people that are outstanding, and I know they are outstanding, I can pull from them. I do not have to spend a lot of brainpower on the question. When Andrew send me patches, he actually does not use git, it's some kind of defect, but other than that, he is a very solid person. When he asks me to pull, he does it by sending a million patches instead, I just do it. Sometimes I disagree with some of these patches, but at some point, trust means, ... never having to say you're sorry? ... I dunno ... It basically means that you have to accept other people's decisions. And the nice thing about trust is that it does network. That's where the network of trust comes in. I only need to trust a few people that much."
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/LinusTalk200705Transcr...
Still does ~20 hours with extended battery after more than a year of heavy usage. And they're some of the most robust portables available.
Top two hardware issues that ruin Linux for me: * GPU drivers support is either broken or non-existent. * Wi-Fi drivers non-existent or not included in a particular distribution out of the box (seriously?)
The T460p is due out in the next few weeks and is geared toward performance with the use of discrete graphics and Intel core i5/i7 processors from the HQ line.
The T460s is geared for mobility, and can be bought today.
And also available today, the regular T460 model is a compromise between the two.
By terrible I mean actually missing keystrokes noticeably often, even around 60wpm.
Battery life is poor compared to a Mac, but it's really light given the compute power.
You can still get them refurbished from Dell, sometimes with 40-50% discounts for $250-300. Very worthwhile for a second portable.
Absolutely no issues in Debian even with the dedicated nVidia. Even the keyboard backlight works with no issues.
I've thought about buying that as a replacement for an old Macbook pro.
Speccing up the triton with the HD screen and a bit more Ram is GPB500, which seems quite reasonable for a decent machine for programming and the odd bit of web surfing.
The review linked here looked quite positive, but I'd been keen to here from someone that actually has one.
According to dell.com, it seems there is no option for ECC ram on this device.
The sadness continues...
My old MacBook Air 11 2012 (which Linus himself used to use) is almost perfect. It's only missing ACPI events for battery discharges (something I've only seen in x220, but I hated its fan noise).
I'd like to point out that some very cheap Chromebooks that are getting Libreboot support (not ready yet for prime time though):
https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html#supported_laptops_...
factory firmware on that SSD has a bug that causes it to permanently lock up / disappear from the bus, with the result that all data on it is lost. Apple will replace the SSD when it happens, but data will be gone.
If you're getting/using the 2012 model, I'd recommend getting a replacement SSD from OWC or Transcend before installing Linux.
The wifi is Broadcom and works poorly under Linux. Not so many crashes anymore, but frequent disconnects, horrible performance and quick loss of of signal when the ether is crowded or the laptop is a few meters away from AP.
The wifi card can be replaced, but AFAIK, the Apple-provided firmware will not allow the machine to boot if the PCI ID of the wifi card does not match the original broadcom one. I don't think coreboot runs on the airbook either.
I would recommend just buying a cheap dell or hp with an intel wifi card and no dedicated gpu and install ubuntu on that - at least you wont feel cheated after spending $1.5K+ on some nice hardware, and your battery life will be tolerable. I have heard macs run linux fairly well too.
Also the Precision has thunderbolt...absolute must if you want a reasonable docking solution under Linux.
Also consider: https://system76.com/
Their stuff has been rock solid for me.
I'm planning on Arch, but if I get sick of that or find my terminal-fu lacking, I'll probably go back to Mint.
- Keyboard drivers (phantom keys, double key registers, no registers). Keyboard was basically unusable until kernel 3.19. - Synaptic PS/2 mouse drivers. Like keyboard, mousepad was unusable until 3.19. I still can't use it with tap-to-click because palm detection is so bad. But that is ok for me since press to click is my preferred anyway. - Power management was awful (again until 3.19) - Misc. usability problems - mDP/external display connectivity issues - Suspend/resume issues
Those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. At this point I think I have a stable machine, but with some quirks...but as a Linux user I sort of expected quirks so they aren't deal breakers for me anymore. Still, I would recommmend M3800 over the 13" DE.
Oh one more:
- Sometimes PS/2 drivers report mouse movements as touch movements (I have touchscreen)...this means using Chrome is impossible since moving the mouse "scrolls" as if you were on a touch screen.
The developer ver is sold natively with Ubuntu.
The arch wiki is absolutely great, but it doesn't have much/any info for some (newer) laptops (e.g. XPS15 9550, X1 Carbon 4th gen..)
1) If you're used to a retina macbook pro, you're doomed. There's nothing with as good display and touchpad.
2) If you can handle low resoltions (1920x1080 or even 1366x768) and generally lower quality screens, get a Thinkpad. New ones are very expensive but generally solid, while older ones are cheap and work well with Linux.
3) If you want a good screen, there's only Dell XPS 13. If you live in one of the few lucky countries, you can get it with preinstalled Dell Ubuntu fork.
There's no wrong opinion. Just an opinion.
Battery life is awesome. I could probably go 6-7 hours, haven't tried though as I'm mostly connected.
As for graphics drivers, it's shitty at the moment. There's no native acceleration is I haven't bothered to recompile kernels as it doesn't concern me (it's a work machine).
Someone else will be getting the same machine soon, so I'll wait for him to be my guinea pig.
But obviously people disagree else they wouldn't rave about the subpar keyboard and rather hot chassis as well ;).
This Force Touch is also making its way to their iOS devices in a variation they are calling 3D Touch. Like many Apple technologies, it's one of those things that after you use it for awhile, it's really hard to go back to anything else. I guess that's what you get for premium prices, and thankfully it's worth it!
The new keyboard on the new(ish) MacBook is kind of a short travel that I'm not fond of (from my quick tests at the store), but I definitely prefer the "chicklet" keys to the right-up-next-to-each-other keyboards I've used elsewhere. I haven't used a Thinkpad in about 6 years now, so maybe they're better now. Looks like they have the chicklets now too.
Not sure what you mean about Apple overheating. Cupertino doesn't get that hot, and they probably have AC when it does get into the 80s. But, maybe you mean Macs, and I haven't had any issue with my Macs overheating. Maybe you got a dud when you were trying one out?
I agree, it's a gorgeous screen.
The battery life, storage, and matte IPS screen are excellent and the device is extremely thin and light. The overall build quality is comparable to the MacBook Air but it costs half as much. The trackpad works very well.
I bought it a few months ago for $600 from the Microsoft Store (irony acknowledged).
Edit: My one and only complaint is that it only has mini-hdmi 1.4 instead of DisplayPort or HDMI 2, so no 4k@60hz external monitors.
Someone just chose to change that particular port.
And among other things Dell installs a special custom package to prevent the super key from working at all, which was/is very odd and was a bit of a hassle to reverse because not only do you have to uninstall their super key disable package, but you have to install a tool to configure Compiz to re-enable it once the package is gone.
I'm guessing (but don't know) you get a better experience with the XPS 13"?
Not sure if it's an unusual case or not.
https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-f...
"Hardware Devices that Support GNU/Linux"
https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/
Do you need huge amounts of ram? Do you need very powerful processor? Or are you more interested in long battery life?