I just wanted to say that "scalable private digital cash" sounds like the most generic cryptocurrency description ever, but I checked out (what I assume to be) the repo [1], and I think it's actually super cool! Keep up the good work man.
hmmmmmm if you could host as a text or even a json document somewhere and somehow get it to update that would be super useful. Happy to share my personal trading algorithm outputs if you do.
Yeah, this list amazes me that there have been this many companies/teams creating new blockchains and yet they still fail to solve any real world problems more efficiently than current solutions (besides illegal markets where governments have explicitly made it hard and the "decentralized blockchain solution" kind of currently gets around it).
Would be nice to get more meaningful descriptions than "_ clone."
Also seems a bit selective/biased: For example, Litecoin is "Faster Bitcoin" but Vertcoin is "Bitcoin clone" while the Litecoin codebase is maybe closer to Bitcoin core than any other coin on that list. (Is there any coin on that list that is not "Faster Bitcoin" or a "Bitcoin clone"?)
If anything, "fork" would be more accurate than "clone", but still not really a meaningful description.
Some suggestions:
- Bitcoin Cash: Bitcoin for P2P payments
- Ethereum Classic: Ethereum for immutability purists
Bitcoin... is for P2P payments. The literally only difference between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash is block size and segwit. Your descriptions are partisan and disingenuous.
> Bitcoin... is for P2P payments. The literally only difference between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash is block size and segwit. Your descriptions are partisan and disingenuous.
... and different community, different ideals/goals, different features approaches, incompatible protocols (replay protection, difficulty adjustment).
Please be constructive in your comments, suggest how to improve things rather than disagree and hit submit.
If you wanna go there, it's obvious Cash is basically a money grab for Ver — made apparent by the fact r/btc won't shut up about r/bitcoin while the latter cares about actually improving the network. Same tactic used by r/The_Donald against r/politics.
Oh yeah, and since you're so knowledgeable and pc I'm surprised you forgot Cash almost didn't have relay protection.
> Same tactic used by r/The_Donald against r/politics.
And yet the irony of it all is that the reason some r/bitcoin users migrated to r/btc was that any discussion even remotely critical of core's decision would get literally removed or downvoted into oblivion, creating a de facto echo chamber that you very conveniently decide to ignore. Just like how T_D readers were forced out of r/politics in the first place.
edit: and regarding your "Bitcoin is for P2P payment claim". yeah sure, as long as you don't mind paying an average of $10 per transaction to make it happen in a reasonable amount of time. the days of the changetip mania on r/bitcoin sure seem long gone.
And here we see the problem with 4-word summaries of very complex instruments. Any summary will be sort of true from one perspective, but missing a lot, and probably wrong from other perspectives.
Cryptocurrency, like rocket science, is complicated and dangerous. It shouldn't be attempted to be understood in 4 words
That's what I thought as well...until I looked at the fees and saw $6. After that I knew bitcoin wasn't going to be to compete against other systems like BCH where the fees are low. If I am going to buy a coffee, there is no way in hell I am going to pay $5 + $6 processing fee. No thank you. The fees for BCH is like 10 cents which is completely reasonable.
BTC will be digital gold. BCH will be the P2P payment system IMO. Both can coexist.
Cash "fees" are $0, I just hand you a note. Nothing is every going to be that cheap.
If you're talking about credit card fees, which are generally a fixed rate + a % (Stripes fees are 2.9% + 30c) then it's a hell of a lot cheaper for everything but the smallest of transactions.
You can currently get a transaction confirmed in the next block for around US $0.60 based on an average transaction size of 250 bytes and 30 satoshi / byte. With that $0.60 fee you can transfer everything from tens to millions of dollars. If the transaction isn't as important or you can wait more than ~10 minutes you can get it even cheaper.
Bitcoin cash deserves the moniker "Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash." Core's roadmap ceded that claim.
Sadly, being "digital gold" is a huge mistake because a store of value that is also a currency is a dominating strategy in this game.
Lightning is "18 months away" which is exactly the sort of estimate I hear at work when something will take 4-6 years, or be shelved without getting released.
I don't think so. Bitcoin cash is not being dumped by miners--they are in it for the long haul. Litecoin is a me-too copy, bitcoin cash is people with different values working on a different vision. Here's an interview with the lead dev. Doesn't sound like he's going anywhere.
This guide is intended to provide orientation for someone who knows very little about cryptocurrencies. Many are quite different in scope (and legitimacy).
I hope no one makes investment decisions on just four words. It's just a taste to help you find what you might be interested in pursuing further.
By the way, if you're interested in learning the hard-core technical details of programming cryptocurrency, you find more of my in-depth material here: https://www.newline.co/
I've been interested in ZCash since Snowden commented on it. Quoting a tweet stating 'Zcash is the only altcoin (that i know of) designed and built by professional and academic cryptographers. Hard to ignore':
"Agree. Zcash's privacy tech makes it the most interesting Bitcoin alternative. Bitcoin is great, but "if it's not private, it's not safe.""
I still think cryptocurrency is a dumb idea on the whole. I haven't invested and never plan to. But the element of privacy would be important to me if I did.
I'm really disappointed at how Buzzfeed-esque this piece is and (even more so) how it could reach the front page of HN. I'd like to think that easily-digestible, low-effort articles don't have a place in this community, but here's one on HN. I guess even HN-types are susceptible to the wrapping of a hot topic in the "For Dummies" style.
> I'd like to think that easily-digestible, low-effort articles don't have a place in this community
I'd be inclined to disagree with your opinion here - You can have an easily-digestible piece of writing that still holds good value and insight. Not everything needs to be a peer-reviewed journal article, I'd start pulling my hair out if literally every submission here was an effort to read since I usually browse HN on my short breaks at work.
However it's still worth vetting low-quality content, I agree.
Yes, fair enough—I guess it's more about the low effort on both sides of the equation. I suppose I do value articles which make it easy for me to quickly digest more complex ideas, but this this in particular is just... almost the bathroom graffiti of cryptocurrency reporting.
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Here's the Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/151E3d26SIRNhXQewq-55...
Grin: scalable private digital cash
(not launched yet; only testnet so far)
[1] https://github.com/mimblewimble/grin/blob/master/doc/intro.m...
> Is pyramid, buy please.
Joking, of course... sort of.
Also seems a bit selective/biased: For example, Litecoin is "Faster Bitcoin" but Vertcoin is "Bitcoin clone" while the Litecoin codebase is maybe closer to Bitcoin core than any other coin on that list. (Is there any coin on that list that is not "Faster Bitcoin" or a "Bitcoin clone"?)
If anything, "fork" would be more accurate than "clone", but still not really a meaningful description.
Some suggestions:
- Bitcoin Cash: Bitcoin for P2P payments
- Ethereum Classic: Ethereum for immutability purists
Bitcoin... is for P2P payments. The literally only difference between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash is block size and segwit. Your descriptions are partisan and disingenuous.
... and different community, different ideals/goals, different features approaches, incompatible protocols (replay protection, difficulty adjustment).
Please be constructive in your comments, suggest how to improve things rather than disagree and hit submit.
Oh yeah, and since you're so knowledgeable and pc I'm surprised you forgot Cash almost didn't have relay protection.
And yet the irony of it all is that the reason some r/bitcoin users migrated to r/btc was that any discussion even remotely critical of core's decision would get literally removed or downvoted into oblivion, creating a de facto echo chamber that you very conveniently decide to ignore. Just like how T_D readers were forced out of r/politics in the first place.
edit: and regarding your "Bitcoin is for P2P payment claim". yeah sure, as long as you don't mind paying an average of $10 per transaction to make it happen in a reasonable amount of time. the days of the changetip mania on r/bitcoin sure seem long gone.
Cryptocurrency, like rocket science, is complicated and dangerous. It shouldn't be attempted to be understood in 4 words
BTC will be digital gold. BCH will be the P2P payment system IMO. Both can coexist.
My suggestion to the author: For each coin, search the internet with the coin's name and the word "scam".
Some of those aren't "focused" on those things, and some outright-lie about their capabilities.
Huh, I remember it being "Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash".
https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
If you're talking about credit card fees, which are generally a fixed rate + a % (Stripes fees are 2.9% + 30c) then it's a hell of a lot cheaper for everything but the smallest of transactions.
You can currently get a transaction confirmed in the next block for around US $0.60 based on an average transaction size of 250 bytes and 30 satoshi / byte. With that $0.60 fee you can transfer everything from tens to millions of dollars. If the transaction isn't as important or you can wait more than ~10 minutes you can get it even cheaper.
Sadly, being "digital gold" is a huge mistake because a store of value that is also a currency is a dominating strategy in this game.
Lightning is "18 months away" which is exactly the sort of estimate I hear at work when something will take 4-6 years, or be shelved without getting released.
I think Litecoin deserves it far more, bcash was a cynical pump and dump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By0w43NQdiY
Well, true and it is under four words but...
If you have a better four-word description of what any coin is for, post it below and I'll make updates.
This list is designed for minimal orientation. The difference between e.g. hashing algorithms or block time is inconsequential at this altitude.
This guide is intended to provide orientation for someone who knows very little about cryptocurrencies. Many are quite different in scope (and legitimacy).
I hope no one makes investment decisions on just four words. It's just a taste to help you find what you might be interested in pursuing further.
By the way, if you're interested in learning the hard-core technical details of programming cryptocurrency, you find more of my in-depth material here: https://www.newline.co/
"Agree. Zcash's privacy tech makes it the most interesting Bitcoin alternative. Bitcoin is great, but "if it's not private, it's not safe.""
[Source: https://twitter.com/snowden/status/913544739542241282]
I still think cryptocurrency is a dumb idea on the whole. I haven't invested and never plan to. But the element of privacy would be important to me if I did.
I'd be inclined to disagree with your opinion here - You can have an easily-digestible piece of writing that still holds good value and insight. Not everything needs to be a peer-reviewed journal article, I'd start pulling my hair out if literally every submission here was an effort to read since I usually browse HN on my short breaks at work.
However it's still worth vetting low-quality content, I agree.