And this website is not an ad, it's a portal to one of their objectives, presenting in a complete way what they propose and support using the tools they've created/adapted.
The free alternative (without quote, they really are free) are mostly other free software with a FramaSoft branding, in order to make it look like a coherent offering rivaling Google suite.
If you go in the documentation of each software, you will see what project it comes from.
For example, Framabag is Wallabag, Framanotes is Turtl, Framapad is Etherpad, etc...
I can't wait for them to release the latest update for FramaWeb (which is just firefox but you call it FramaWeb) to the FramaOS (which is just linux but you call it FramaOS) for my FraMachine (which is just a computer but it's specifically built by this one dude and you call it the FraMachine).
It sounds stupid, but it's actually very useful to unify everything on a single brand instead of having a hard to navigate archipelago of software. You might say it's hypocritical to turn themselves into a vendor, but if that vendor aligns with my values and can be trusted, then I'd be happy to buy a FraMachine with everything you listed because I know there's only quality FOSS software/hardware without spending ages researching and building everything myself.
It sounds stupid, but I'm actually defending the unification of everything on a single brand instead of having a hard to navigate archipelago of software.
It's not a rebranding; they're online services based on those projects and hosted by FramaSoft. It's more like WPEngine or Kinsta, which host WordPress for you (except these are free and managed by a non-profit association).
In all fairness, not each alternative: there's often other non-Frama alternatives as well and there are entries without any FramaSoft altermnative at all.
At least Google and Apple are big contributors to open source software (e.g. Chromium, CUPS). Instead of roasting big companies (because... privacy?) we should work together. This picture does more harm, because it view companies purely as enemies.
Contributing to open source is not contributing to free software, the big 5 are indeed all doing quite the opposite: creating walled gardens, trying to monopolize the distribution of software and goods, and pushing for a web monoculture.
Also, they are making the web a more centralist and frankly, boring, place.
Open source is NOT free software. You are not free because you are using Chromium instead of Chrome.
Free software is a philosophy, Open source just mean every one can read the source.
Chromium is free software, just like the vast majority of open source.
The philosophies are certainly different, but the code produced by one generally fits the other definition as well. MIT, BSD, Apache, WTFPL, etc - all of these licenses fit both the open source and free software definitions.
The image seems to be an allusion to the theme behind the Asterix comic strip, of a small and happily independent Gaul village surrounded by a giant Roman empire unable to conquer it.
It's _hard_ to capture a very abstract ideal like free-as-in-freedom web services in one image.
To me, a successful image should be about celebrating freedom and independence. The Asterix comic strip succeeds at that, this image not so much.
Just like the inhabitants of the mythical Gaul village, I'm ok interacting with the Romans and their empire as long as they don't keep me from doing my thing, in the way I want.
The framasoft offerings are really interesting by the way. Do check them out if you haven't yet!
(although I admit I've changed my view of Microsoft (from lawful evil to somewhere close to lawful neutral) and Google (from chaotic good to somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil).
There are plenty of people who disagree that switching from Google to free and open source alternatives provides little benefit. You can start with folks who lose their Google accounts for spurious reasons, with no means of recourse.
There are a lot if ones it should not be (self hosted infrasTructure) but ones it could be: private cloud stack, private cloud infrastructure, self hosted SaaS, hosted SaaS.
That seems to be framasoft's message. Decentralized sometimes means peer to peer which doesn't describe the software I currently have in my web app manager.
He meant independence is spelled indépendance in French. Close enough to overlook the differences. I agree the writing is awkward and they would benefit from some proofing
That's interesting. I do it the British way when I write English (because it's the way we do it in my native language in my native country too).
What's the rationale for enclosing the punctuation within the quotation marks? It's not part of the quote after all. What happens if the sentence is a question that ends with a quote? If the quote itself isn't a question, enclosing the question mark would interfere with its meaning.
Is the idea that quotes always should use proper punctuation too, and that if the ending mark is the same as the one finishing the sentence the quote ends, then it's superfluous to write it twice?
I realize this might not be an easy question and that the answer may well be "just because".
You know, I really don't know: it always looks strange and wrong to me. I can live with American fondness for the "Oxford comma" (enumerating "one, two, and three"), but that has some justification in terms of clarity (if the final item has an "and" in itself, like "ready salted, paprika, cheese and onion" crisps/chips). So "just because" seems most likely :-)
I used to always put the full-stop (period) inside the quotes because I was brought up using that rule, but in modern writing it's considered more a matter of stylistic choice, because yes, sometimes it just looks, well, "wrong."
as written before, we are french and the translation in english of our homepage has been done by french people too... Let us know what we can change / correct and we'll do it.
I do have to admit being guilty of something similar. Being German, I would never use German software (even German translations) or hardware. I have seen to many things :D
The issue is Europe has very few flag ship companies in Tech.
Not sure as to why, part of it may be the fragmented nature of Europe (lot of small/medium sized countries with different languages).
Part of it may be because it failed to reach a critical mass at a critical time (dotcom boom), and now, an European startup are bought by US flagships.
Lastly, part of it may be because Europeans are more risk-averse than Americans, I'm French and I'm working for an US company, and the American positivism ingrained in my US colleagues is fascinating, and, to say the truth, sometimes annoying as it feels fake, it's a facade basically.
I used German translations for a long time, but eventually switched to LC_MESSAGES=C because it makes it easier to report UI bugs. It just removes the guesswork of "what is this menu item named in English?".
Also, with LC_MESSAGES=C set, I can blacklist /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/ in my package manager and save half a gigabyte or so.
Only way to keep an "open" internet is to make our decision makers make open standards law. It's not perfect but it force the companies to open up their closed gardens.
Laws already helped to break large monopolies in the past.
At one point, the internet giants will probably be broken into several entities as they start to have detrimental effect on society, we are seeing the early stages with Zuckerberg's testimony in front of Congress for example.
It will probably happen by breaking down the various services provided by these giants (AWS/Amazon, gmail/search/youtube, etc).
I had a french feeling when I read the word "association". I confirmed it originates from France when I checked their "about" tab. I like their idea but I hate it when the front page is in english as if this is a world wide effort but the rest of the web site is in French. Je vous souhaite la meilleure continuation mais je vais passer.
We are a little NPO with only 9 employees and 25 members. So we don't have enough volunteers to translate each webpage. But if you want to help us to translate everything, please do !
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 171 ms ] threadWhile I appreciate the efforts to de-centralize the internet, this is more an ad for the company than anything.
And this website is not an ad, it's a portal to one of their objectives, presenting in a complete way what they propose and support using the tools they've created/adapted.
If you go in the documentation of each software, you will see what project it comes from.
For example, Framabag is Wallabag, Framanotes is Turtl, Framapad is Etherpad, etc...
This is not what I want the Internet to be.
…that's a strange choice. Basically every company in that comic contributes in some way to open source.
Also, they are making the web a more centralist and frankly, boring, place.
...and spying on users.
You can contribute to Open Source and be evil...
The philosophies are certainly different, but the code produced by one generally fits the other definition as well. MIT, BSD, Apache, WTFPL, etc - all of these licenses fit both the open source and free software definitions.
It's _hard_ to capture a very abstract ideal like free-as-in-freedom web services in one image.
To me, a successful image should be about celebrating freedom and independence. The Asterix comic strip succeeds at that, this image not so much.
Just like the inhabitants of the mythical Gaul village, I'm ok interacting with the Romans and their empire as long as they don't keep me from doing my thing, in the way I want.
The framasoft offerings are really interesting by the way. Do check them out if you haven't yet!
(although I admit I've changed my view of Microsoft (from lawful evil to somewhere close to lawful neutral) and Google (from chaotic good to somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19124324
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15197357
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4013799
Self Hosting (It was already a term for an unrelated thing)
Control Panel (its more than a control panel)
Full Stack Automation (that is what I thought of calling it)
personal cloud (What does personal mean)
personal infrastructure (that does sound intimidating)
community computer (a small server that only serves a particular community or small business)
I'm open to ideas as I develop a product that could be described by some of these names.
I'm eager to see other answers, too.
EDIT: Decentralized as in "Decentralized Service" or something along that line.
What's the rationale for enclosing the punctuation within the quotation marks? It's not part of the quote after all. What happens if the sentence is a question that ends with a quote? If the quote itself isn't a question, enclosing the question mark would interfere with its meaning.
Is the idea that quotes always should use proper punctuation too, and that if the ending mark is the same as the one finishing the sentence the quote ends, then it's superfluous to write it twice?
I realize this might not be an easy question and that the answer may well be "just because".
No, the answer is "just because."
Being neither a startup nor american, they are of course condemned to eternal scorn by many HN readers.
The issue is Europe has very few flag ship companies in Tech.
Not sure as to why, part of it may be the fragmented nature of Europe (lot of small/medium sized countries with different languages). Part of it may be because it failed to reach a critical mass at a critical time (dotcom boom), and now, an European startup are bought by US flagships. Lastly, part of it may be because Europeans are more risk-averse than Americans, I'm French and I'm working for an US company, and the American positivism ingrained in my US colleagues is fascinating, and, to say the truth, sometimes annoying as it feels fake, it's a facade basically.
Also, with LC_MESSAGES=C set, I can blacklist /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/ in my package manager and save half a gigabyte or so.
At one point, the internet giants will probably be broken into several entities as they start to have detrimental effect on society, we are seeing the early stages with Zuckerberg's testimony in front of Congress for example.
It will probably happen by breaking down the various services provided by these giants (AWS/Amazon, gmail/search/youtube, etc).
Been posted so many times before
Relevant for people interested in removing Google from their lives.