Yeah, the design was/is more of a quick and dirty to get it up and running, will definitely improve it!
The Story: I was actually looking to buy a USB-C hub myself but was annoyed by the amazon website: no filtering, no clear marking of features... Talked to some tech friends, they had encountered the same thing, so I quickly acted and created that website^^
Not only for macs... I have 4 raspberry pi4 powered through an USB hub and spent quite a bit of time looking for one that had at least 4 ports and that every port could deliver a minimum of 5V-3A. The US amazon had a few, but trying to find them (or similar) in several european Amazons was quite difficult.
For amazon.com, there were a few from Anker (one was mentioned in another comment) that looked interesting... As I said, no luck finding them in europe.
AFAIK that 3A figure for the Pi includes power for the USB ports on the Pi. So if you don't load up the USB ports, you can get away with more like 1.5-2A, depending on what you do.
FWIW my 4GB RPi 4 pulls about 1.2A peak when using the CPU full tilt. Haven't stressed the GPU yet so don't know about that. This without any USB except wireless Logitech keyboard/mouse receiver, and with Wifi enabled.
> and that every port could deliver a minimum of 5V-3A.
For the pi, “at the same time” is what most hubs seem to miss - often they can supply 3A per port, but not ports * 3A overall. (60W on 6-10 ports is a typical config, so you can pull 12-15W per port, but not 6 * 12+ overall.
Good HDMI capable usb-c hubs below 20 USD? Hmm, I cannot find anything similar priced in NL. I would prefer to have one that can do 2x HDMI as not all workplaces I sit have usb-c capable monitors. When I was checking a while back it seems to have a weird pricing gap between ones that have 1 or 2 HDMI outputs. More than twice the price.
I'd suggest to avoid anything DisplayLink at all costs, it's laggy on Windows and the Linux driver support is pretty bad (Ubuntu only, doesn't support the latest version, not open source).
I just use another USB-C to DisplayPort cable even though it should be unnecessary.
If you're only after a power adapter for your X1C6 + iPhoneX then this Anker device will certainly work.
I would however wonder if you really need 100W power, 75W would seem sufficient.
Edit: if you plan to use a USB to lightning connector for your iPhone X then indeed the 100W is needed as apparently this device splits power evenly (50W+50W) between the two USB C. A comment however says it's not fast charging the iPhoneX when they are both used, so now I understand your dilemma.
That looks like a dream, but I'm wary of trusting a newcomer on delivering a dream.
Apple's entire game is making things small and making them work well. Why are Apple (who has unlimited funds to throw at this), Anker, and other established companies unable to make something like this, but this newcomer is?
Hyperjuice is not a newcomer. They’ve been building such products for a long time and almost all major launches i’ve seen have been through crowdfunding platforms. Product reviews are almost always mixed though.
Anker makes a 100W charger but its ginormous compared to this one. They probably might be building a smaller one. Apple won’t build this product ever because its a very niche product. Most people don’t need this kind of power/setup.
Power Delivery is already implemented, but you have to choose that the hub has to have at least one usb-c port. It it possible to have power delivery without having an usb-c(likw) port?
Thunderbolt 3 support is on my todo list:)
I was so pissed a year and a half ago when I realized that none of the hubs had a Thunderbolt pass-through.
The new Anker 7 in 1 has a 'USB-C data' port. Given there's no claim or picture of video out, I'll bet that's all it does.
And the tail on these. It's almost always too short to make it useful to plug it into the back of a thunderbolt display.
I think the Thunderbolt 3 monitor I got recently is my last planned Thunderbolt 3 purchase. I'm not sure if I can hold out long enough for USB-4 to land, where hubs are expected to be hubs again. But barring lost or damaged equipment, I'm going to try.
CalDigit sells a thunderbolt hub that has thunderbolt pass-through, though not if you want to run dual 4K displays @ 60hz (the one thunderbolt port becomes the second DisplayPort).
(why are there no “real” USB-C hubs? some say that it is due to the lack of the existence of a chip that Intel is going to release "any time now" for like a year now… others say that the power delivery requirements of USB-C make this really tricky)
That's a USB3.1 hub that has USB-C connectors. While one can get away with that in the whole USB-C mess/confusion, it is usually not what people expect. You can't connect a monitor or power your device with this hub, for example.
I was thinking about adding few things to make it paid service:
- allow people to enter keywords describing product
- allow people to enter their own affiliate id
- allow people to generate short url to dynamically generated page showing above
All above would allow people to quickly generate and share chunks of specific amazon products to their following and monetize it.
You could either produce sidebar with your own ads or just charge for such service so it would be win-win for all
I was thinking about the same. If there are any affiliate marketing people in here, can you tell us more about your workload, RoI, setup and problems? :D
Depends on the niche. Some work easily out (especially if its about products with an EAN), for others it works too, but you need manually processing, if you care to not only offer a comparing of Amazon products. The Amazon API is howevery very detailed and useful for product data. You look at the data provided and either try to "not care and add everything" or to form it to fit your scheme (imo the better way).
Issues are with marketing (SEO, useful text), malformed or wrong informations and normally there is no global valid usable database available to get all the data. Sometimes I depend on crawling, so websites changing break normally price-updating. By using an API its not such much a hassle, but also using the API sometimes product ids change and you have to keep it updated to not end up with a broken website.
I created Keyfuchs[1], a german / english price comparing website for game key prices and we mostly manually write the texts, half-automatically crawl the different stores and try to set it up nicely for our users.
If its a paid service, who would be paying? This data is all over the internet, typically for no monetary charge. Other shopping sites (I'm thinking of newegg) already provide a detailed breakdown.
This is great. I always wonder why amazon itself is so useless in this space. The only thing you can go is price and reviews there, without any good comparisons between products.
I like wirecutter for this. Their picks are rarely the most expensive and they try to recommend things that last long. I am happy they can make a dollar or two of my referral link pick for the research work they do.
I feel like they’ve been slipping recently in order to maximize referral income. There’s been a number of things they’ve suggested that are simply no where near the best. I’d use them as a guide but not a definitive answer - that should go for any site with affiliate links.
I agree with this. I was a big fan of wirecutter reviews. But in recent times they don’t include products in a review of a category that have significant market share. I find the comments section of wirecutter where people mention the products they didn’t review to be interesting.
I agree. A lot of the highest quality products are not sold on Amazon any longer due to the myriad of issues and I have noticed that unless the site has a referral program or is a member of one, I rarely see a recommendation for their product. Or even a mention of their product. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure they have any recommendations for products that aren't sold with an affiliate program.
I've had very bad experiences trusting reviews of the wirecutter for some products that were obviously inferior to alternatives after returning and purchasing alternatives.
I started getting suspicious of The Wirecutter when they reviewed bike racks and concluded that the best kind is the type that attaches to the trunk lid with hooks and straps. To anyone who has carried a bike on a car more than once, it's obvious that these are the worst kind, by far. But they are also the cheapest, by far.
It's like saying that the best computer to buy is a $300 Chromebook, and it makes me question their judgement on all products.
I like them, but they're really inconsistent. I bought a bedding set they recommended (from Brooklinen), and it felt so cheap and thin, I couldn't believe this was their top choice. Brooklinen is a new brand, so I suspect some back room shenanigans; they have since been passed over in newer reviews.
As a heads-up, this means that if the best product isn't available on Amazon and the other site isn't willing to pay a commission to them, then you won't hear about it.
Yep, Amazon is utter garbage at category filtering. They have some different filters depending on category but ultimately just stop short by a few miles.
It's silly too because other online vendors have no problem implementing it.
Just out of curiosity, do you have any statistics on how many people disable the affiliate links?
That's really clever by the way, placing that button so prominently. It both instills trust and serves as a gentle reminder of the amount of work that went into this (at least in my mind).
My plan is to add more usb hubs (usb-3, thunderbolt), so stay tuned ;) Card reader filter will also be implemented very soon:)
I am no expert on usb hubs, but filtering for pass through power is actually possible: You have to specify at least 1 for usb-c port, then you can select the "Power Delivery" checkbox. Is power delivery the same as pass through power? and it is it possible to have that without having a usb-c port?
Useful, but one thing: a USB-3 port can be compatible with a USB-2 port, so one might expect that 2 USB-2 ports can also be covered by a device with two USB-3 ports (as long as they have the same connector), but I don't think the search works like that.
This is really cool. One more bit of data that would be helpful: cord length. Almost all of these have short cords that are great for portable use cases, but not ideal for use at a desk.
I would prefer if it had less products but actually reviewed them, there is so much crap on Amazon you really need to try something out, disassemble it, sometimes even measure it to figure out if it's crap or not.
SEO Spam really ruined product search / reviews.
Just last week I tried hard but couldn't find a good review of USB-C Power Adaptors, just page after page of SEO optimized spam without actual content.
They tend to drop product lines immediately when they're no longer profitable (like their bang'n external drive docks) so we buy their stuff in bulk when it fits our purpose.
Blind faith in Anker by itself isn’t enough. It has North American customer service presence but there are a few times where its products aren’t much more than rebrands of the many, many other weird Shenzhen brands like TaoTronics, TronSmart etc.
Used to think Aukey, Satechi were in the same league as Anker but they’ve been shown to falsely show standards compliance as well as a being USB power non-compliant with some. Satechi has/had a lot of fake reviews powering its growth as well.
Anker is good for their main product lines (chargers, cables and power banks), but the rest of their peripherals (mice, keyboards, speakers, data hubs, etc.) feel like afterthoughts that don't compete past the low-end of the market.
There's only one USB-C hub listed with a detachable cable, the uni Hub. Any USB-C cable that supports full speed USB 3.2 Gen 2 works. I reviewed it on my blog here: https://www.naut.ca/blog/2019/09/11/uni-usb-c-hub/
I’ve bought a uni USB-c to DisplayPort cable before. Support was helpful: had some trouble getting it to work with my laptop in Linux and they sent me another cable to make sure it wasn’t a cable issue.
Nice work. I miss the ability to filter by video support. I got this one [1] without reading the fine print, and it only supports 4K at 30Hz, not 60Hz.
I'm actually still looking for a hub that will do 4K/60Hz HDMI/DP and power delivery (and preferably 1-2 extra USB-C ports), so that I can power my MacBook Pro with it, and have it deliver video to my external display, all while only having one cable going into the MacBook. Not dual monitors, just a single display while the lid is closed.
From what I can tell, that's only possible with an expensive Thunderbolt dock.
To work around macOS' awful monitor restrictions (i.e. lack of general MST support), we bit the bullet and got a Dell WB19TB [1] (Thunderbolt dock). It sucks from a wiring perspective but it works.
(To those that go down this route, be aware: you cannot use both DP ports on this dock as-is -- again, macOS lacks MST support. One monitor must be connected to the Thunderbolt add-on module.)
I wouldn't trust Dell with this. I have a Dell monitor that I bought because it has a USB-C port that supported both PD and video. But it turns out it doesn't work well with MacBooks (constantly loses connection, and messes with the MacBook's sleep). Dell acknowledged the issue and released a patch that fixed it ... for Windows machines. They refuse to fix it for MacBooks because they don't want to support a competitor's product. So I would be highly skeptical of a Thunderbolt dock from Dell working well with MacBooks.
Addendum: That monitor is also a dud in many other ways, notably that the PIP and PBP feature sucks and it has horrific ghosting. All a real shame as Dell used to have high standards for their monitors.
I have the same monitor. It's great, but I ran into the issues you mentioned with multiple USB-C docks, including Apple's own multiport adapter. Have you been able to get anything to work?
I've only tried my MacBook. Make sure you're on the monitor's latest firmware at least. That doesn't fix anything for MacBooks but the latest patch was supposed resolve USB-C issues for other devices.
I was shopping for that the other day but didn't pull the trigger; here are some things I found. Thunderbolt docks have come down from ~$300 to ~$100 so you may be better off with that route.
Thanks! The Dell is big and requires an external power supply, which is a no-go. The Cable Matters is better, but only does USB 2.0, which means I can't use it for hard drives. There's an HDMI version, but doesn't do 60Hz.
This is what I'm fighting right now. Lots of hubs, they all do some things right, but not everything. The reason is apparently answered by the first article ("any USB-C hub using this technique for 4K60 video can’t have any USB 3.1 ports on it").
I've yet to find a sub-$100 Thunderbolt dock. Monoprice had a sale on docks in December, bringing the price down to $56, but I was too slow to pull the trigger.
I have bought this [1]. It costs around 40$, does PD at 60W, 4K Display Port, 2xUSB2 (due to bandwidth restrictions - for me this is fine as I have a time machine hard Drive and a USB mic attached) and 100MBit RJ45. I also bought a 1m USB-C extension cord, which makes it possible to completely hide the dongle under my desk.
No issues with any of the ports so far. I would definitely recommend looking for DP instead of HDMI, because it seems to use less bandwidth. You can also get 2 DP 4k@60Hz with PD from the same vendor.
I can recommend the Thinkpad Thunderbolt 3 dock. It's fully compatible with the MacBook Pro. With the latest firmare (or gen2 of the dock - there are two generations), it supports MBP with 2x4K@60Hz (on gen1, one of them needs to be driven from the second Thunderbolt/USB-C port). No DisplayLink needed.
Tangentially related, does anyone know if there is a DisplayPort-to-USB-C/Thunderbolt cable one could use to connect a GPU (DisplayPort) to a monitor (USB-C/Thunderbolt)?
I'd like to connnect Titan RTX (DisplayPort) to LG's 31" 5k2k (USB-C) but all I see are cables for the opposite direction, i.e. USB-C/Thunderbolt to DisplayPort, for MacBooks. Other DisplayPort on LG is already used by another computer (gaming PC with 2080Ti) and HDMI can't do 5120x2160@60Hz.
Alternatively, you can power the Gigabyte GC Titan Ridge from a mining riser, no PCIe is necessary, feed it DisplayPort signals, get Thunderbolt signals. Titan Ridge is DP 1.4 capable.
Thanks, ordering that DeLOCK now! Will get back to you when I test it!
Titan Ridge is an option as well though I want to use it in an x399 Zenith Extreme board (DeepLearning rig) and that might be challenging (in theory it should work but the board is super buggy).
> Tangentially related, does anyone know if there is a DisplayPort-to-USB-C/Thunderbolt cable one could use to connect a GPU (DisplayPort) to a monitor (USB-C/Thunderbolt)?
Edit: See other comment. Looks like someone actually did manage to create a cheap adapter, and was able to power it from DisplayPort as well. I'd love to hear if anyone knows how well this works.
I think this would be quite hard to do inexpensively, as USB-C hosts have to be configured by the client to send Display Port signals on the SuperSpeed lanes. [1] If the monitor (client) doesn't detect a host, it's probably not going to try to interpret the SuperSpeed signals as DP. It seems to me that an adapter would likely have to emulate a USB-C host supporting DP alt mode. This would at least require external power (unless your monitor's USB-C port is powered), and would more likely require the adapter to use one of your USB 3 ports so that it can also support devices on any monitor USB hubs.
I'll see, I am worried it won't work as well as that LG monitor is like 1st gen bleeding-edge tech where incompatibilities might arise. MacOS users definitely had issues with it at first and those use USB-C connector on the display, but DP/HDMI works fine so far.
From what I can see, none of these support multiple 4K monitors - how do people dock in situations like this? I’ve been using a USB-C eGPU with my multiple screens and Ethernet attached to that. Is there a cheaper way to do this?
Unfortunately this doesn't fix any of the confusing bullshit around USB versions and specs and port shapes. And it muddies the issue by mixing "3" and "2" with "C", which describe entirely different things. My first search looking for 3 USB-C ports brought up this behemoth: https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Adapter-VEOOVE-Samsung-Unive...
2 of the USB-C ports are USB 2.0? WTF is that. Nobody wants that.
And the third is just PD, no data. Searching for 2 ports is no better - they’re all one data plus one PD (with the exception of one that’s macbook-specific, so it can pass-thru two ports because it’s using 2 on the host).
It seems like it’d be more realistic to have a tick-box for “a usb-c port” and a tick-box for “a PD port”.
This is so necessary! However, it still doesn't answer a burning question that I have: are there any USB-C hubs that can draw power from an upstream power delivery source and supply it to downstream USB-A devices?
Just to be clear, I don't expect you to have this answer. From what I can tell, the answer is "no that doesn't exist".
The USB spec limits the amount of power a single device can draw from its host. For a USB hub, this means that the downstream devices will have to split a single device's worth of power allowance between them. So to support multiple power hungry devices, many existing USB hubs offer additional external power supplies.
In my case, I have two midi controllers and an external audio interface that all want their full share of power. The audio interface refuses to run without it.
So I'm wondering if there's a hub that is "externally powered" via the host's PD power supply.
There are plenty of USB C hubs that can draw additional power from a downstream PD source. But I want something that can draw additional power from the host even if it's a laptop running on battery.
(Power Delivery is an additional spec that can run over USB C, but its existence is independent of and doesn't change the USB spec's power limitations for a single device)
Needs to filter whether it can show HDMI 4K at 30Hz or 60Hz. And related to that, for video, it’s possible to have 2 4K 60hz through or one or none.
Also filter whether it’s one USB-C connects to computer or two USB-C connects to computer. With two USB-C connected to computer, can pass through more types of USB to accessories.
Finally, it doesn’t show matches that I know are matches.
// I buy these to test, but don’t want to waste time testing duds, so spend time trying to figure out if/when the claimed stats are possible.
> Needs to filter whether it can show HDMI 4K at 30Hz or 60Hz. And related to that, for video, it’s possible to have 2 4K 60hz through or one or none.
I don't think they'd bother, because none of these docks can do it. USB-C 3.1 inherently can't support a 4k@60hz display, due to bandwidth limitations. And it certainly can't run two of them.
You'd have to jump up to a Thunderbolt 3 dock for that sort of thing.
The Thunderbolt capable docks on Amazon are still listed as USB-C because consumers seem to think it’s all about cable shape.
That said, there are plenty of dual USB-C connector, dual HDMI 4K@60hz port, dongles designed for Mac on Amazon. I think this is the most recent addition:
”Satechi Aluminum Type-C Dual HDMI Adapter 4K 60Hz with USB-C PD Charging — Stunning dual HDMI display with a convenient USB-C PD port to keep your setup up and running - all in 4K 60Hz resolution. ENGINEERED FOR 4K DUAL DISPLAY - features dual HDMI ports to connect two monitors for stunning, extended 4K 60Hz display. Requires a direct HDMI connection, will not work with VGA, DVI or Thunderbolt displays...”
By contrast, this is one HDMI 4K@60Hz and one HDMI 4K@30Hz:
Includes the two 4K HDMI ports of differing refresh rates, USB-C PD 3.0 charging, Gigabit Ethernet, micro/SD card readers, and USB 3.0 ports, and also will not work with Thunderbolt.
Two 4k @ 60 Hz is either Thunderbolt (which is fine for Macs but has a price and I would rather buy like https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=38575 or https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=31261 instead of a noname company) or DisplayLink which is to be avoided at all costs. This hub is Thunderbolt as can be deciphered from "Does not support MacBook models with single USB-C port" (see https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201736#usbc ) but the fact I need to decipher what it is a second strike against it. It seems lately Intel has loosened its iron grip on Thunderbolt 3 (after all, it handed the standard over to USB IF) so now everything goes (we see empty M.2 to TB3 enclosures and chaining eGPU boxes both of which were forbidden by Intel prior) but the fact they didn't include the trademarked name makes me go hm.
Finally, it could be a DP 1.4 MST hub but that is very rare (the first USB C to DP 1.4 MST I am aware of was announced at CES 2020 https://plugable.com/2020/01/07/plugables-new-docking-statio... and didn't ship yet) and figuring out support will be _very_ interesting. All Intel 14nm laptop CPUs are stuck with DisplayPort 1.2 and then researching which laptops with Radeon / nVidia GPUs run their USB C through those GPUs to provide DP 1.4 will be fun.
Oh and of course if it's for a Mac, in general, you could just use two USB C plugs, I suspect that's what the 4k @ 60 + 4k @ 30 is: one plug is used in DP alt mode, the other is used in MFDP mode.
Intel may have ostensibly handed the standard over to USB IF but all of the reference designs you'd use to implement a Thunderbolt dock are behind NDAs and unavailable [1] unless you get lucky, have an existing relationship, or have the volume to get their attention.
Yeah but it used to be that Intel needed to certify every TB3 device and they wouldn't certify a PCIe enclosure as eGPU if it chained. Neither they would an empty M.2 key M enclosure. Both now exist.
DisplayLink transports video over the USB bus, rather than using one of the alt modes of USB-C. As you can imagine, this introduces compression artefacts and substantial CPU overhead. It's passable for web browsing. Watching any sort of video is painful and forget about any sort of gaming or latency sensitive application
Ah, this is why the displayport to 1080 screen connection looked so bad. I have a mediagear usb-c hub and also a cable matters thunderbolt to dual displayport adapter. Video is much better over the latter, for sure.
Sorry, to clarify, you technically can get enough bandwidth for 4k@60hz out of a USB-C port, but you have to abandon the data lanes for more DisplayPort lanes. (I.e, give up all of your USB 3.0 ports and gigabit ethernet or similar-speed ports). So, "adapters" can do it, but docks generally can't.
Apple‘s newer model multiport adapter does 4k60 and USB 3 on devices supporting DisplayPort 1.3 (which is required to fit 4k60 into two instead of four lanes).
I'd assume that all of these hubs are using DisplayPort though?
HDMI alternate mode hasn't really caught on, especially since it uses all high-speed lanes on USB-C. This leaves no room for USB 3 ports on a combined hub.
Never realized that until you mentioned it. And I've owned some of their products for a long time. I guess it's because I figured it was pronounced "satéchi" which is more likely sound for an Asian company ("saké" and not "sakeuh")
You can do 3840x2160@60Hz (and 24bpp/8bpc) over USB Type-C on newer displays. DisplayPort Alt Mode over USB-C using DisplayPort 1.3/1.4 can support 4K + USB 3 Gen2 on one cable.
Why are they making these so complicated when average people don't even make the difference between a VGA and DVI cable?
For a few years I didn't buy new hardware and recently I started seen "HDMI cables with / without ETHERNET" I thought it was some crappy marketing, wrong Chinese translation of just a "scam" like the HDMI to water tap adapter, but after looking on the internet I discovered it was real.
I think part of it is that vendors all through the supply chain have learned that churn caused by obfuscation is good for their bottom line.
If consumers could clearly understand what they needed and were able to select the right product for themselves, you would end up with a small number vendors selling solid, good quality gear. That would be bad for the chip vendors and resellers.
Monitor makers need to get their act together as well... do we really need VGA, DVI, HDMI, mini-HDMI, DP, mini-DP, thunderbolt, and USB-C all existing at the same time as ways to connect your monitor to a computer?
Businesses are buying laptops more often than desktops for the past 10 years and different manufacturers have been utilizing different approaches to minimize the number of cables needed per accessory.
The case of HDMI with ethernet net is the same. This way you can share your screen and internet connection from a mobile device with a single cable. It's only needed in specific circumstances, but as USB has become more advanced, more cables/ports are quietly just turning into differently shaped USB cables that limit which data channels are available.
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I would suggest adding more margin vertically on cards and making them smaller for mobile.
The Story: I was actually looking to buy a USB-C hub myself but was annoyed by the amazon website: no filtering, no clear marking of features... Talked to some tech friends, they had encountered the same thing, so I quickly acted and created that website^^
Is it open source? I'd love to contribute!
- Thunderbolt 3 support filter
- Power delivery capability (usually 60W-100W if at all)
Both of those are valuable for mac shoppers.
I ended up going with this one: https://thepihut.com/products/anidees-6-port-smart-ic-usb-ch...
I did not realize they were not available in the EU though. It looks like they list on Amazon UK, not sure how helpful that is.
Have had it for a couple of months now with no issues.
For the pi, “at the same time” is what most hubs seem to miss - often they can supply 3A per port, but not ports * 3A overall. (60W on 6-10 ports is a typical config, so you can pull 12-15W per port, but not 6 * 12+ overall.
I got something from cable matters but think it is faulty and cuts out on PD at times. I am looking for a replacement.
The two "hubs" that supported all the stuff that I wanted were effectively docking stations:
- https://hengedocks.com/products/stone-pro
- https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VL675DT
I also bought one of these (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hypershop/hyperjuice-wo...), but waiting on delivery. It's not a hub, however.
I'd suggest to avoid anything DisplayLink at all costs, it's laggy on Windows and the Linux driver support is pretty bad (Ubuntu only, doesn't support the latest version, not open source).
I just use another USB-C to DisplayPort cable even though it should be unnecessary.
https://www.displaylink.com/
If someone happens to have experience with this, share your thoughts please!
Edit: if you plan to use a USB to lightning connector for your iPhone X then indeed the 100W is needed as apparently this device splits power evenly (50W+50W) between the two USB C. A comment however says it's not fast charging the iPhoneX when they are both used, so now I understand your dilemma.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hyperjuice-world-s-first-...
Waiting for it to arrive.
Apple's entire game is making things small and making them work well. Why are Apple (who has unlimited funds to throw at this), Anker, and other established companies unable to make something like this, but this newcomer is?
Anker makes a 100W charger but its ginormous compared to this one. They probably might be building a smaller one. Apple won’t build this product ever because its a very niche product. Most people don’t need this kind of power/setup.
And the tail on these. It's almost always too short to make it useful to plug it into the back of a thunderbolt display.
I think the Thunderbolt 3 monitor I got recently is my last planned Thunderbolt 3 purchase. I'm not sure if I can hold out long enough for USB-4 to land, where hubs are expected to be hubs again. But barring lost or damaged equipment, I'm going to try.
There is not a single USB-C hub on this site. A USB-C hub would take one USB-C port and turn it into several USB-C ports.
These are what are called port replicators. There are no USB-C hubs in existence, which is a huge reason why the standard is still struggling.
Thank you for putting a selector for "how many USB-C ports" front and center, that at least illustrates the problem…
I'm actually currently developing one as well that has a unique twist to it.
https://www.amazon.com/AVLT-Power-4-Port-USB-3-1-USB/dp/B081...
You're pretty screwed if you want a 4 port hub, yes.
But if you really need the hub you describe, here's one that I think conforms to what you describe: https://www.coolgear.com/product/usb-31-typec-4-port-hub-or-...
For a little bit more, you can have 6 USB-C ports: https://www.coolgear.com/product/usb-3-1-dual-type-usb-c-a-8...
All above would allow people to quickly generate and share chunks of specific amazon products to their following and monetize it.
You could either produce sidebar with your own ads or just charge for such service so it would be win-win for all
Issues are with marketing (SEO, useful text), malformed or wrong informations and normally there is no global valid usable database available to get all the data. Sometimes I depend on crawling, so websites changing break normally price-updating. By using an API its not such much a hassle, but also using the API sometimes product ids change and you have to keep it updated to not end up with a broken website.
I created Keyfuchs[1], a german / english price comparing website for game key prices and we mostly manually write the texts, half-automatically crawl the different stores and try to set it up nicely for our users.
[1]https://www.keyfuchs.de / https://www.thegamefox.net
An example of that is nextdesk: https://www.reddit.com/r/StandingDesk/comments/69npx4/drama_...
That's really clever by the way, placing that button so prominently. It both instills trust and serves as a gentle reminder of the amount of work that went into this (at least in my mind).
https://smile.amazon.com/stores/node/9123406011
I am no expert on usb hubs, but filtering for pass through power is actually possible: You have to specify at least 1 for usb-c port, then you can select the "Power Delivery" checkbox. Is power delivery the same as pass through power? and it is it possible to have that without having a usb-c port?
Why is this? Is it because only one port can be upstream, so they try to avoid the confusion? Or just cost?
SEO Spam really ruined product search / reviews.
Just last week I tried hard but couldn't find a good review of USB-C Power Adaptors, just page after page of SEO optimized spam without actual content.
I bought some of the wireless chargers from Anker before and those feel quite plastic-y, so this was nice.
edit: Oh hey, it's run by a former googler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anker_(mobile_chargers) neat.
Used to think Aukey, Satechi were in the same league as Anker but they’ve been shown to falsely show standards compliance as well as a being USB power non-compliant with some. Satechi has/had a lot of fake reviews powering its growth as well.
I'm actually still looking for a hub that will do 4K/60Hz HDMI/DP and power delivery (and preferably 1-2 extra USB-C ports), so that I can power my MacBook Pro with it, and have it deliver video to my external display, all while only having one cable going into the MacBook. Not dual monitors, just a single display while the lid is closed.
From what I can tell, that's only possible with an expensive Thunderbolt dock.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079GSMZ7G
[1] https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-thunderbolt-dock-w...
(To those that go down this route, be aware: you cannot use both DP ports on this dock as-is -- again, macOS lacks MST support. One monitor must be connected to the Thunderbolt add-on module.)
It sucks from a price perspective too.
Addendum: That monitor is also a dud in many other ways, notably that the PIP and PBP feature sucks and it has horrific ghosting. All a real shame as Dell used to have high standards for their monitors.
https://www.bigmessowires.com/2019/05/19/explaining-4k-60hz-...
https://smile.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Multiport-DisplayPort...
https://smile.amazon.com/Dell-Business-Thunderbolt-USB-C-Doc...
This is what I'm fighting right now. Lots of hubs, they all do some things right, but not everything. The reason is apparently answered by the first article ("any USB-C hub using this technique for 4K60 video can’t have any USB 3.1 ports on it").
I've yet to find a sub-$100 Thunderbolt dock. Monoprice had a sale on docks in December, bringing the price down to $56, but I was too slow to pull the trigger.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Multiport-DisplayPort-E...
You can get this on sale for reasonable prices. Here's a second hand dock currently going for $80: https://www.ebay.com/i/303430714025
I'd like to connnect Titan RTX (DisplayPort) to LG's 31" 5k2k (USB-C) but all I see are cables for the opposite direction, i.e. USB-C/Thunderbolt to DisplayPort, for MacBooks. Other DisplayPort on LG is already used by another computer (gaming PC with 2080Ti) and HDMI can't do 5120x2160@60Hz.
Alternatively, you can power the Gigabyte GC Titan Ridge from a mining riser, no PCIe is necessary, feed it DisplayPort signals, get Thunderbolt signals. Titan Ridge is DP 1.4 capable.
Titan Ridge is an option as well though I want to use it in an x399 Zenith Extreme board (DeepLearning rig) and that might be challenging (in theory it should work but the board is super buggy).
Edit: See other comment. Looks like someone actually did manage to create a cheap adapter, and was able to power it from DisplayPort as well. I'd love to hear if anyone knows how well this works.
I think this would be quite hard to do inexpensively, as USB-C hosts have to be configured by the client to send Display Port signals on the SuperSpeed lanes. [1] If the monitor (client) doesn't detect a host, it's probably not going to try to interpret the SuperSpeed signals as DP. It seems to me that an adapter would likely have to emulate a USB-C host supporting DP alt mode. This would at least require external power (unless your monitor's USB-C port is powered), and would more likely require the adapter to use one of your USB 3 ports so that it can also support devices on any monitor USB hubs.
[1] https://www.totalphase.com/blog/2019/11/how-displayport-alt-...
2 of the USB-C ports are USB 2.0? WTF is that. Nobody wants that.
It seems like it’d be more realistic to have a tick-box for “a usb-c port” and a tick-box for “a PD port”.
Just to be clear, I don't expect you to have this answer. From what I can tell, the answer is "no that doesn't exist".
In my case, I have two midi controllers and an external audio interface that all want their full share of power. The audio interface refuses to run without it.
So I'm wondering if there's a hub that is "externally powered" via the host's PD power supply.
There are plenty of USB C hubs that can draw additional power from a downstream PD source. But I want something that can draw additional power from the host even if it's a laptop running on battery.
(Power Delivery is an additional spec that can run over USB C, but its existence is independent of and doesn't change the USB spec's power limitations for a single device)
Also filter whether it’s one USB-C connects to computer or two USB-C connects to computer. With two USB-C connected to computer, can pass through more types of USB to accessories.
Finally, it doesn’t show matches that I know are matches.
// I buy these to test, but don’t want to waste time testing duds, so spend time trying to figure out if/when the claimed stats are possible.
101 Intro: https://www.howtogeek.com/211843/usb-type-c-explained-what-i...
301 Deep dive: https://www.bigmessowires.com/2019/05/19/explaining-4k-60hz-...
I don't think they'd bother, because none of these docks can do it. USB-C 3.1 inherently can't support a 4k@60hz display, due to bandwidth limitations. And it certainly can't run two of them.
You'd have to jump up to a Thunderbolt 3 dock for that sort of thing.
there is no standard by that name and Rev 2.0 does not mention video
That said, there are plenty of dual USB-C connector, dual HDMI 4K@60hz port, dongles designed for Mac on Amazon. I think this is the most recent addition:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RH9HF4R/
”Satechi Aluminum Type-C Dual HDMI Adapter 4K 60Hz with USB-C PD Charging — Stunning dual HDMI display with a convenient USB-C PD port to keep your setup up and running - all in 4K 60Hz resolution. ENGINEERED FOR 4K DUAL DISPLAY - features dual HDMI ports to connect two monitors for stunning, extended 4K 60Hz display. Requires a direct HDMI connection, will not work with VGA, DVI or Thunderbolt displays...”
By contrast, this is one HDMI 4K@60Hz and one HDMI 4K@30Hz:
https://smile.amazon.com/Satechi-Multimedia-Adapter-Gigabit-...
Includes the two 4K HDMI ports of differing refresh rates, USB-C PD 3.0 charging, Gigabit Ethernet, micro/SD card readers, and USB 3.0 ports, and also will not work with Thunderbolt.
Finally, it could be a DP 1.4 MST hub but that is very rare (the first USB C to DP 1.4 MST I am aware of was announced at CES 2020 https://plugable.com/2020/01/07/plugables-new-docking-statio... and didn't ship yet) and figuring out support will be _very_ interesting. All Intel 14nm laptop CPUs are stuck with DisplayPort 1.2 and then researching which laptops with Radeon / nVidia GPUs run their USB C through those GPUs to provide DP 1.4 will be fun.
Let's put 4k @ 60 (and then 4k @ 30) into the bandwidth calculator: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/729232-guide-to-display... you can see you need more than what DP 1.2 can provide so everything I said above applies.
Oh and of course if it's for a Mac, in general, you could just use two USB C plugs, I suspect that's what the 4k @ 60 + 4k @ 30 is: one plug is used in DP alt mode, the other is used in MFDP mode.
This adapter was, I believe, also announced at CES 2020.
[1] https://thunderbolttechnology.net/developer-application
May I ask why, or is it the details you have later in your post?
DisplayLink is not.
The confusion is deliberate, the company renamed itself to DisplayLink a few months after the standard came out.
and then
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20061106005769/en/New...
https://glenwing.github.io/docs/DP-1.0.pdf DisplayPort Standard Version 1 May 1, 2006
https://www.bigmessowires.com/2019/05/19/explaining-4k-60hz-... has the specific technical details.
And that’s why I’m linking to adapters that use two of the Macbook Pro ports.
Apple‘s newer model multiport adapter does 4k60 and USB 3 on devices supporting DisplayPort 1.3 (which is required to fit 4k60 into two instead of four lanes).
HDMI alternate mode hasn't really caught on, especially since it uses all high-speed lanes on USB-C. This leaves no room for USB 3 ports on a combined hub.
Thunderbolt docks with Titan Ridge controllers fall back to USB capabilities/bandwidth if connected to a USB-C non-Thunderbolt host.
As others have noted, the Thunderbolt/USB landscape is pretty confusing.
https://www.amazon.com/UPTab-10Gbps-60hz-Power-Delivery/dp/B... is an example
Apple also recently quietly updated their multiport adapter to do just that:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207806
Intel (GPU) Macs are notably not supported, unfortunately (due to supporting DisplayPort 1.2 only).
For a few years I didn't buy new hardware and recently I started seen "HDMI cables with / without ETHERNET" I thought it was some crappy marketing, wrong Chinese translation of just a "scam" like the HDMI to water tap adapter, but after looking on the internet I discovered it was real.
I think part of it is that vendors all through the supply chain have learned that churn caused by obfuscation is good for their bottom line.
If consumers could clearly understand what they needed and were able to select the right product for themselves, you would end up with a small number vendors selling solid, good quality gear. That would be bad for the chip vendors and resellers.
Monitor makers need to get their act together as well... do we really need VGA, DVI, HDMI, mini-HDMI, DP, mini-DP, thunderbolt, and USB-C all existing at the same time as ways to connect your monitor to a computer?
Businesses are buying laptops more often than desktops for the past 10 years and different manufacturers have been utilizing different approaches to minimize the number of cables needed per accessory.
The case of HDMI with ethernet net is the same. This way you can share your screen and internet connection from a mobile device with a single cable. It's only needed in specific circumstances, but as USB has become more advanced, more cables/ports are quietly just turning into differently shaped USB cables that limit which data channels are available.