I'm sure the narrative will be that he doesn't have Covid-19, he's the victim of an assassination plot by the medical establishment for speaking out against them.
Yeah, Bolsonaro has literally never said anything remotely close to that against the medical establishment.
He did underestimate the virus a few days ago, but he's clearly changed his mind as the government is releasing emergency measures. I see no problem with that.
> By day’s end Thursday, the mayors of Miami-Dade County and the City of Miami and U.S. Sens. Rick Scott and Lindsey Graham had announced they would self-quarantine, as well as the Miami Police Department’s entire motorcycle patrol unit that escorted Bolsonaro; the medical campus of Miami Dade College said it was shutting down “until further notice”— and questions arose whether President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, who spent time last weekend with Bolsonaro and the press secretary at Mar-a-Lago, should be tested for the virus.
Heads of government and ministers are a near-perfect demographic for its spread. Older than average, travel a lot, often stressed/jetlagged, frequently in meetings, and always shaking hands with an endless stream of strangers.
> Bolsonaro’s son Eduardo told Fox News that they are doing further testing to confirm the diagnosis, adding that they expect the second set of testing results later Friday.
> After telling
@FoxNews that his father had a preliminary POSITIVE test for coronavirus, Eduardo Bolsonaro now tells
@FoxNews the test was NEGATIVE. Bolsonaro says has been in touch with the White House.
Tests for world leaders and basketball players; no tests for common people.
I feel like it's probable Trump and other extremely high-ranking government people have the virus. I also feel like it's not being publicized for political/economic reasons. I admit this is speculation, but even if Trump, Pence, etc. were tested and "reported" to be negative, should we believe that?
If it goes badly he will be dead. You can’t hide that. If it goes well and he recovers in a few weeks he will still need to be quarantined for those few weeks. So you wouldn’t really see him or anyone around him so people will automatically assume he has contracted it. Especially since he was known to have been hanging out with several people who have now tested positive.
So lying about the Presidents health may be a good idea in certain situations. It almost certainly isn’t in this specific situation.
Edit: Also, if he lies about it, the hundred of people who have been around him might not take the actions they need to and continue making things worse fornthemselves and those around them.
There is nothing to be gained from your perspective and prediction of future events.
Trump has taken MANY actions that defy conventional logic about Gain/Loss and Future Predictions.
I think a lot of people view the his primary job to be inspiring confidence in our leadership, and avoiding hysteria and mass panic over the virus. If the person who is supposed to be telling us everything is ok, is actually not ok themselves, the panic could grow very quickly.
I agree with you that it would be stupid to lie. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't be tempted to do it anyway. Especially because we could just have messages about everyone being quarantined for safety and they could get away with hiding the President for awhile.
Everything we know about Donald Trump tells us he is paranoid about contracting illnesses, going as far as to refuse to be in meetings with someone who coughs (per multiple reports). I find it hard to imagine he hasn't been tested given his recent proximity to the Brazilian President and his staff. But he insists he has not been tested. I really don't understand the game Trump is playing here. And where the hell is the declaration of a national emergency? He declares one for his precious wall but not for a global pandemic?
fact: he had the same campaign marketer that trump had. Remember Banon?
fact: he staged a hilariously fake assassination attempt during the last week before election to avoid debates.
fact: his neighbors (literally next door) killed a deputy councilwoman that was causing him political problems, in broad daylight with automatic weapons. he and his son called them on the day but both lied about it. the neighbors are locked up because there were too many cameras to deny, not they didn't try.
fact: he is campaigning to close the senate and superior courts, because they are "full of corruption"
now, brazil is gearing up for protests because march is a delicate time over there. the news machine is already full steam on this. the opposition is spreading memes about it being good that he will die from the virus, while his supporters (mostly evangelical Christians) are spreading countless though and prayers. every mass starts with a prayer, and praises, to him.
my guess: this is a self serving fake news, to both bolsonaro and trump.
will add english sources as I bother to waste time finding them (they are obviously facts unless you get your news via facebook or whatsapp)
banon: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon (search for brazil and follow the sources from there) (also note banon already said he pay personal attention to his wikipedia page)
last right wing president saying ending the separation of powers as suggested by bolsonaro is too dangerous even for him (who sold most state owned companies to foreighn capital and skyrocketed the debt with the FMI) https://mobile.twitter.com/FHC
John Oliver is a mixed bag. Some well researched stuff, some extremely badly researched stuff, and some stuff that cannot be identified as researched/not researched - mostly appeals to common sense - and is plastered over by some jokes.
I had my "aha moment", when he claimed on the show that you have to register revenge porn with the copyright office (this was before most laws which explicitly target revenge porn as a criminal offense) and further suggested that copyright infringement is more or less the only avenue open for victims at the time. But that's simply not how copyright works (since the Berne Convention of 1886), and completely forgets about how image and personality rights work in the US either (something Gawker learned from Hulk Hogan). It was extremely bad advice to anybody watching who was a victim of revenge porn as it discouraged people from even trying to reign in the perpetrators at all. At the same time, him addressing this issue and requesting reforms especially making criminal laws, was a good thing
that one is complicated too. see how he jokes about the last president being involved in the crime and that he would have won the election if he wasn't in jail? well, turn out after the election, investigations found out there was zero credible evidence and last week he was receiving an homage in europe for his political career. https://en.mercopress.com/2020/03/03/socialist-paris-mayor-m...
All your facts are grossly manipulated. Banon wasn't his campaign marketer, the assassination attempt wasn't fake, the murder neighbor was not "literally next door" ...
Please stop leftist and/or conservative "lacração" and gross advocacy, along with its conspiracy theory. It is manipulative and obvious.
To state what is obvious you have a person who by nature comes in contact with many people in many situations. (Any many of those they come in contact with also do). So you'd expect them to have a higher probability of getting infected.
Not only that but you have a person who specifically might have to avoid not appearing to be 'business as usual' or not wanting offend people by not having a meeting or a visit as planned. That's quite a different standard then most of 'regular' people can in trying to avoid socials situations.
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[ 4.6 ms ] story [ 102 ms ] threadHe did underestimate the virus a few days ago, but he's clearly changed his mind as the government is releasing emergency measures. I see no problem with that.
> By day’s end Thursday, the mayors of Miami-Dade County and the City of Miami and U.S. Sens. Rick Scott and Lindsey Graham had announced they would self-quarantine, as well as the Miami Police Department’s entire motorcycle patrol unit that escorted Bolsonaro; the medical campus of Miami Dade College said it was shutting down “until further notice”— and questions arose whether President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, who spent time last weekend with Bolsonaro and the press secretary at Mar-a-Lago, should be tested for the virus.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas...
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of world leaders get sick.
> Bolsonaro’s son Eduardo told Fox News that they are doing further testing to confirm the diagnosis, adding that they expect the second set of testing results later Friday.
> After telling @FoxNews that his father had a preliminary POSITIVE test for coronavirus, Eduardo Bolsonaro now tells @FoxNews the test was NEGATIVE. Bolsonaro says has been in touch with the White House.
I feel like it's probable Trump and other extremely high-ranking government people have the virus. I also feel like it's not being publicized for political/economic reasons. I admit this is speculation, but even if Trump, Pence, etc. were tested and "reported" to be negative, should we believe that?
If it goes badly he will be dead. You can’t hide that. If it goes well and he recovers in a few weeks he will still need to be quarantined for those few weeks. So you wouldn’t really see him or anyone around him so people will automatically assume he has contracted it. Especially since he was known to have been hanging out with several people who have now tested positive.
So lying about the Presidents health may be a good idea in certain situations. It almost certainly isn’t in this specific situation.
Edit: Also, if he lies about it, the hundred of people who have been around him might not take the actions they need to and continue making things worse fornthemselves and those around them.
Trump has taken MANY actions that defy conventional logic about Gain/Loss and Future Predictions.
I think a lot of people view the his primary job to be inspiring confidence in our leadership, and avoiding hysteria and mass panic over the virus. If the person who is supposed to be telling us everything is ok, is actually not ok themselves, the panic could grow very quickly.
I agree with you that it would be stupid to lie. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't be tempted to do it anyway. Especially because we could just have messages about everyone being quarantined for safety and they could get away with hiding the President for awhile.
fact: he had the same campaign marketer that trump had. Remember Banon?
fact: he staged a hilariously fake assassination attempt during the last week before election to avoid debates.
fact: his neighbors (literally next door) killed a deputy councilwoman that was causing him political problems, in broad daylight with automatic weapons. he and his son called them on the day but both lied about it. the neighbors are locked up because there were too many cameras to deny, not they didn't try.
fact: he is campaigning to close the senate and superior courts, because they are "full of corruption"
now, brazil is gearing up for protests because march is a delicate time over there. the news machine is already full steam on this. the opposition is spreading memes about it being good that he will die from the virus, while his supporters (mostly evangelical Christians) are spreading countless though and prayers. every mass starts with a prayer, and praises, to him.
my guess: this is a self serving fake news, to both bolsonaro and trump.
What is a fact, is that your whole post is filled with conspiracy theories. Gentlemen, let's keep this content out of HN.
banon: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon (search for brazil and follow the sources from there) (also note banon already said he pay personal attention to his wikipedia page)
the killing: https://theintercept.com/2019/01/17/marielle-franco-brazil-a...
last right wing president saying ending the separation of powers as suggested by bolsonaro is too dangerous even for him (who sold most state owned companies to foreighn capital and skyrocketed the debt with the FMI) https://mobile.twitter.com/FHC
bonus source: he was fined for racist comments https://noticias.uol.com.br/politica/ultimas-noticias/2017/1...
I had my "aha moment", when he claimed on the show that you have to register revenge porn with the copyright office (this was before most laws which explicitly target revenge porn as a criminal offense) and further suggested that copyright infringement is more or less the only avenue open for victims at the time. But that's simply not how copyright works (since the Berne Convention of 1886), and completely forgets about how image and personality rights work in the US either (something Gawker learned from Hulk Hogan). It was extremely bad advice to anybody watching who was a victim of revenge porn as it discouraged people from even trying to reign in the perpetrators at all. At the same time, him addressing this issue and requesting reforms especially making criminal laws, was a good thing
All your facts are grossly manipulated. Banon wasn't his campaign marketer, the assassination attempt wasn't fake, the murder neighbor was not "literally next door" ...
Please stop leftist and/or conservative "lacração" and gross advocacy, along with its conspiracy theory. It is manipulative and obvious.
Not only that but you have a person who specifically might have to avoid not appearing to be 'business as usual' or not wanting offend people by not having a meeting or a visit as planned. That's quite a different standard then most of 'regular' people can in trying to avoid socials situations.