Thank you for your feedback! Yes, for most industries intern positions are considered "entry-level". Most internships require that an individual is a current student, graduate, bootcamp, or have less than 3 years of experience.
That's a serious problem though. A lot of people looking for entry level developer jobs aren't kids in college. We need something that filters out all the internship stuff. I'm not against internships per se, but I can't afford to work for no pay.
Internships at good companies do pay. Not all internships are unpaid.
When my company was considering our internships (aka apprenticeships here in the UK) I told the CEO I'd leave if they were unpaid, because I didn't want to mentor people who were worrying about money instead of concentrating on learning how to become a good developer.
Could you please consider adding an RSS feed for the recent jobs? It's really popular for job seekers for staying updated on the various search sites. I'd love to add this site to our guide that we'll be expanding with general job seeking, not just remote: https://feeder.co/knowledge-base/rss-content/feeder-for-free...
The Apple Software Engineering Manager - Information Security position requires 10+ years industry experience. The bar for entry level positions seems quite high.
So I just opened the website and the first job posting I saw was a software engineering manager position with +10 years of experience requirement. Also there seems to be a problem with HTML entity parsing (e.g. titles include & instead of &). Other than these problems, the website looks useful. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, you can filter by "entry-level" on job-boards, but you have to do that for every job board. There is not one source for specifically "entry-level" positions.
This website seems to be combining ziprecruiter and neuvoo results into one. It seems to just search for "entry level", "grad", "internship" and "entry level developer" at those two websites and present the results. While passing your IP, geolocation, user agent and a bunch of other stuff to them to get location specific results.
Some quick feedback specific to the listings I got when I plugged in "Germany": almost everything I found is internships. You mention in a comment elsewhere that intern is the new entry-level, but over here internships are almost exclusively for current students, and the ones I peeked at all had that restriction. And taking on internships in parallel to University is rare here (at the Universities I'm aware of), at least in CS.
Maybe you could consider adding a filter to remove internships? Otherwise the site is rather useless for non-students here.
Thank you for your feedback. Yes, we are working on adding more jobs for every country. And categories/ filtering should be ready in the next few weeks.
Well, it is my impression that internships are just a lot rarer than they are in the US, for example. Many students go through a Bachelors and Masters degree without ever doing one, me included. Most internships are done by students doing a degree that explicitly requires them to do one and gives them a semester off for it.
With "in parallel" I did mean breaks, however. Depending on your school, you don't get a lot of those either. This semester my last exam would have been on 4/15 (if it weren't for the current situation), and lectures start again the same day. Admittedly I could have chosen an earlier date for that exam, but even then it would have been 3/23 (this Monday). That would have given me at most three weeks to do an internship, and that's just not worth it for me. Other semesters have been similar.
It is my understanding a lot of schools in the US do trimesters, essentially, so you could do internships over the summer, we don't. Our semesters are half a year each.
- some of the images on the cards do not load; maybe they're just missing? Would be better to have a more indicative default image in that case
- getting a few CORS related errors and some TypeErrors in the console
- not a massive fan of the logo
- when the loading text is displayed after searching, the main container (jobs-container) becomes small and drags the footer up with it, leaving white space underneath the footer. Should remain a fixed size.
- when no results are found it just seems to hang on the "Loading..." text
- the Apply button does not behave like a normal link. I would like to 1) see where it's taking me when I hover over it and 2) be able to middle-click on it and open a new tab
- is there pagination?
I'm using Firefox. Overall, I like the design and it's a decent idea. Good job!
Thank you very much for your feedback. We love it.
- Our default company image is a blank gray square
- Will look into the cors error + the other ones
- Yes, lots of revisions are in the works for the next couple of weeks
- Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I will have those changed
- Pagination is still in progress and should be ready in a few weeks.
I've seen in the past postings for 5 years experience with Windows server 2016. And this was in 2016.
Typically they wave that error away with an, "oh we just want someone with 5 years of any Windows Server experience, we just happen to use 2016." Quite the double standard.
Yes, right now, jobs are displayed based on your geographic location. Soon, we will change to where anyone can search for a country they would like to work in.
IMO companies like Revature and similar should be filtered out. They're plague, they infest every job board out there with dozens of "jobs" but really all they're doing is selling some training at an unreasonably high price.
Yes, tbh that's our number one request. When we release our categories/filtering, a regex will be written to filter Revature and companies of the like.
Even more obnoxious is on sites like LinkedIn where your results get little red by the same position repost-spammed by various recruiting agencies. More than often my job search results yield more noise than anything else.
I really like the design! I run my own job board tailored for Go engineers but design was never my strong suit, so really good job.
FWIW, I set up a twitter bot to tweet about new jobs that are posted. Creates a nice bit of traffic. Nothing earth-shattering, but gets the word out there. Might be an idea worth exploring :)
The website is full of tracking stuff (has both Tag Manager and Analytics) and has Google ads. So I am guessing what they mean is, we will not be able to know everything about you and advertise to you if you don't disable AdBlocker.
Is the ad revenue the same with and without tracking? I have no experience of this, but economically, it seems unlikely that less personalized ads would pay as much as more personalized ads due to likely lower click-through rate?
We do not have Google Ads or other Ads on entrylevel. Our tracking is Google Analytics, Mix Panel, Sentry, and Facebook Pixel. Other tracking software has been disabled since I passed my free tier haha. We only track for analytical reasons to improve UX and for bugs.
Thank you for your feedback! We ask for individuals to disable AdBlocker so yes we can generate revenue, but also return better results that are based on your geographic location. As of now, we have 0 ads on the site. Google Ads is not functional on our site and we do not plan on flooding the site with Ads.
It will allow the owner to make money, which means the site will continue to exist.
People deserve to be paid for their effort, and unless you want to pay a monthly subscription to an entry-level job tracker, advertising or collecting emails are really the only two ways to do it in this example.
It's not up to us to validate their idea and "allow the owner to make money" by disabling ad-blockers. This site is just another shitty rent-seeking middleman among middlemen, and hopefully it dies a quick painful death that encourages the owner to make something original.
The way job boards make money is to have employers pay to post jobs on the board. PPC and Display ads pay very little.
You could charge an employer $200 to post a job. Or you could try to reach hundreds of thousands of pageviews from non-adblock devices to get the same amount in Adsense money.
Thanks for making this! It's really nice because you only have to go to one website as opposed to many. I think some folks might prefer this easy approach, but I personally prefer a more "offline" approach like JobFunnel-->https://github.com/PaulMcInnis/JobFunnel
Can you add the ability to sort by recent? In most cases in my experience jobs that have been sitting out there for more than 10 days are already filled and the company just hasn't removed the listing yet.
Thx this is, something I needed. Maybe add a proper filtering for VISA / relocation sponsorships?
Keyword search for Visa doesn't seem to work as expected. Remote filtering seems somewhat working tho.
This is pretty cool. Sure there are some inaccurate results, but he'll, I often play in search terms in something like LinkedIn and get all useless results.
On a somewhat related note, I'm trying to understand what entry-level means. Is it a college grad? Is someone with large amounts of experience who switching to a similar role in a widely different domain entry level? What about someone with years of experience in hobbyist / open source work in a domain, but lacks any professional experience? Are they entry level? What about a long time web developer trying to move to graphics programming or an embedded engineering wanting to move to web development?
Entry-level generally means the minimum point someone will accept you for that title/role. It has no meaning with respect to experience since some entry-level roles require prior experience. However, there are not widely enforced definitions of the minimum requirements in many roles. Amazon asks more of its entry level developers than a small company might for example and for good reason. In other cases, entry-level is an attempt to hire people more cheaply.
Entry-Level, to us, means students, recent grads, career changers, individuals with less than 3 years of experience and so much more. I think those with years of experience as a hobbyist / open source work in the domain should be counted, but many employers only count professional experience. Someone with lots of experience and switching to a different domain may be categorized as "entry-level" in that new industry. And for your last questions, I believe that a person with that profession would still have professional experience/skills that transfer to web development.
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[ 1.5 ms ] story [ 257 ms ] threadWhen my company was considering our internships (aka apprenticeships here in the UK) I told the CEO I'd leave if they were unpaid, because I didn't want to mentor people who were worrying about money instead of concentrating on learning how to become a good developer.
I’ve never seen a CS internship that wasn’t paid. Many pay upper five figures.
Once a consulting company told me they'd be happier if I had 2 years of experience because then they could pitch me as a senior engineer.
Overall the title inflation and title obfuscation in this industry is starting to become an issue.
Maybe you could consider adding a filter to remove internships? Otherwise the site is rather useless for non-students here.
Good luck with the project, I hope it will be useful for many, even if not for me.
With "in parallel" I did mean breaks, however. Depending on your school, you don't get a lot of those either. This semester my last exam would have been on 4/15 (if it weren't for the current situation), and lectures start again the same day. Admittedly I could have chosen an earlier date for that exam, but even then it would have been 3/23 (this Monday). That would have given me at most three weeks to do an internship, and that's just not worth it for me. Other semesters have been similar.
It is my understanding a lot of schools in the US do trimesters, essentially, so you could do internships over the summer, we don't. Our semesters are half a year each.
- some of the images on the cards do not load; maybe they're just missing? Would be better to have a more indicative default image in that case
- getting a few CORS related errors and some TypeErrors in the console
- not a massive fan of the logo
- when the loading text is displayed after searching, the main container (jobs-container) becomes small and drags the footer up with it, leaving white space underneath the footer. Should remain a fixed size.
- when no results are found it just seems to hang on the "Loading..." text
- the Apply button does not behave like a normal link. I would like to 1) see where it's taking me when I hover over it and 2) be able to middle-click on it and open a new tab
- is there pagination?
I'm using Firefox. Overall, I like the design and it's a decent idea. Good job!
- Our default company image is a blank gray square - Will look into the cors error + the other ones - Yes, lots of revisions are in the works for the next couple of weeks - Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I will have those changed - Pagination is still in progress and should be ready in a few weeks.
Thank you again!
Perhaps some filtration based on some simple regex could help get rid of at least the most basic errors? :)
Typically they wave that error away with an, "oh we just want someone with 5 years of any Windows Server experience, we just happen to use 2016." Quite the double standard.
Edit: My bad, I saw jobs in China.
FWIW, I set up a twitter bot to tweet about new jobs that are posted. Creates a nice bit of traffic. Nothing earth-shattering, but gets the word out there. Might be an idea worth exploring :)
And the bot is here: https://twitter.com/work_with_go
How will that help provide better results?
This is a great site, and I really like what they are doing and going towards. I just don't like how it's littered with Google trackers, etc.
If nothing then perhaps it was needed.
I hate ads just as much as everyone else, but if that's how they are planning to pay for hosting/time, it is absolutely needed.
You can do lots of things.
People deserve to be paid for their effort, and unless you want to pay a monthly subscription to an entry-level job tracker, advertising or collecting emails are really the only two ways to do it in this example.
https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
You could charge an employer $200 to post a job. Or you could try to reach hundreds of thousands of pageviews from non-adblock devices to get the same amount in Adsense money.
Shoot me an email if you want to chat. I can share with you how we overcame some similar challenges.
On a somewhat related note, I'm trying to understand what entry-level means. Is it a college grad? Is someone with large amounts of experience who switching to a similar role in a widely different domain entry level? What about someone with years of experience in hobbyist / open source work in a domain, but lacks any professional experience? Are they entry level? What about a long time web developer trying to move to graphics programming or an embedded engineering wanting to move to web development?
Entry-Level, to us, means students, recent grads, career changers, individuals with less than 3 years of experience and so much more. I think those with years of experience as a hobbyist / open source work in the domain should be counted, but many employers only count professional experience. Someone with lots of experience and switching to a different domain may be categorized as "entry-level" in that new industry. And for your last questions, I believe that a person with that profession would still have professional experience/skills that transfer to web development.