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Encouraging people to walk and bike, while also reducing pollution, is a great way to reduce the effect of future health problems. Wish they'd do this in NYC. You could close 30-50% of the streets, convert them into parks, and the only negative impact would be that people have to walk an extra block to get a cab.
> It will take a monumental effort from all Londoners to maintain safe social distancing on public transport

This is why we need work from home. Banning cars and forcing public transport is not going to fix the problem!

They’re talking about a part of London where many people walk to work anyway. This just gives them more space and eases crowding on sidewalks. Also, not every job can be done from home.
Walk to work after getting off crowded busses tubes and trains
Cleaners, nurses, doctors, retail staff, binmen, utility workers, the building trades, etc. etc.

Just because programmers can work from home, doesn't mean everyone can. Programmers should definitely continue to work from home as much as is tolerable

It's also not going to work because Sadiq Khan seems to have badly mismanaged public transport can't seem to run sufficient service such that the few people that do need it aren't all crowded together.
Cautiously optimistic about this! I live in London and expected a swing towards more cars as a result of this (which would be barely manageable).

However, there's one caveat here:

> Officials said they were working with boroughs to implement similar restrictions on the minor roads they manage within the area

Some boroughs (e.g. The City) have historically been very interested in pedestrianising, but others (e.g. Westminster) have fought tooth and nail to ensure that roads are cars-first.

I would expect them to put up a fight here, too, so this is probably far from settled.

Jay Forman has a really interesting and amusing look at what that London Boroughs are, why they exist, and what's wrong with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daeB46Z4fjs

Jay Foreman's videos are all amazing. Well researched and incredibly entertaining.
> Cautiously optimistic about this! I live in London and expected a swing towards more cars as a result of this (which would be barely manageable).

Mmm...in theory this sounds good. I wonder if the people that could/cycle aren't already doing it. I have a number of colleagues who live in London. However they're just too far away from the office to be able to cycle let alone walk there. London's a big place. A lot of people use trains and buses to get from the periphery to the centre. I'm not sure cycling or walking is an option for them.

It's quite common for people in the suburbs to get a train into central London and they cycle from there, either on their own fold-up bike or on a Boris Bike.
How far is too far? Walking 2 miles, cycling 5 miles is no big deal. Cycling further is eminently doable
In this case 30-45 minutes in the underground. I don't think we're talking about a couple of miles. While 5 miles on a bike each way is doable it's not a walk in the park for people that aren't used to it and for those hesitant about cycling in the city. Also 5 miles in an open stretch of road is not the same as 5 miles in the city. Even the new cycle lanes around it can be stop and start all the way. Lastly, the fact that people could do something doesn't necessarily mean that they will.
> I wonder if the people that could/cycle aren't already doing it

I would prefer to cycle, but don't currently. My commute (when there isn't a pandemic on, that is) goes from Vauxhall to King's Cross, which is straight through Westminster - not a great borough to cycle through.

Cycling this route is probably manageable, but it requires a lot more vigilance than I'd like to have to apply during my commute.

If this leads to a reduction in traffic I'll absolutely be cycling going forward, and I've heard the same from various colleagues.

Edit: Of course, there's also a Jay Foreman video on why Londoners don't cycle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gohSeOYheXg

Use Citymapper to find a quiet route.

Vauxhall to Kings Cross is fine, there’s a segregated route pretty much the whole way, crossing Blackfriars bridge. The new elephant and castle roundabout is segregated too, and easy to navigate. Traffic levels won’t make all that much of a difference.

The roads are nicer anyway since the 20mph limit came in.

I accept the tube is quicker as the Victoria line is very good, but the returns from cycling make it worthwhile.

The best route I've found so far is the one on the right here: https://london.cyclestreets.net/journey/69221538/

There's some bits at the start and end that are annoying to deal with, and it's slightly longer, but as a result of this it's quite likely I'll start going this way when things normalise (though I'm not expecting that to be this year).

CS3 round the river is quite nice, you could cross straight away and cycle round that.

For me, the key is to continuously try different routes. Sometimes the busier roads are safer and more pleasant to cycle. Personally once I’m on my bike the length of the route no longer matters - it’s getting on it on the first place that’s tough.

Nearly all of my journeys last year where on my bike, on a hire bike, or in a taxi. It’s wonderful leaving the tube behind.

There’s a brilliant cycle path from Woolwich to London. There is a lot of cycle storage in the new Royal Arsenal development down there.

It was an easy cycle as it’s flat yet when I did that route, there were only a handful of other cyclists. Yet the tube was packed.

There’s huge scope for getting more people onto bikes. There are still cultural challenges around cycling, which hopefully will be challenged by the lockdown.

> I wonder if the people that could/cycle aren't already doing it.

I know plenty of people who are within cycling distance, but haven't chosen to cycle because they prefer other options for transport and fitness.

Cycling comes with certain inconveniences that it takes a certain enthusiasm to overcome. You have to own a bike you're happy to use. You have to be fit enough for the distance you need to go. You have to plan out and learn a route. You may have to be confident/experienced/macho enough to ride among traffic and navigate big multi-lane junctions. You have to be willing to shower and change at your destination, or not do so. You might need to buy lights or bags or even different clothes. You have to be willing to get wet in the rain. You may have to figure out how to store your bike at both ends.

I agree not everyone will be able to change to cycling, of course. Reading to Paddington can be done in 30 minutes by train, but takes 4 hours by bike - and some people have disabilities or other things that keep them from cycling. But I'm confident there are plenty of people who can rise to the challenge despite not having done so before.

You also have to have somewhere to put the bike while not in use. Bike theft in London (before social distancing at least) was common.
I doubt anyone will want to cycle after reading that LOL. Jokes aside you raise loads of good points. With respect to covid-19 I doubt many would want to use communal shower facilities. I wouldn't. In places like London and many other cities you can always rent a bike. You do also have the flexibility of using public transport if its pouring with rain. But it is big issue. With regards to theft..my solution was to get a cheap bike after having my entry road bike stolen. And I now lock the wheels as well LOL. And I've upgraded my lock. Never looked back! LOL
Reading to Paddington can be done in 30 minutes by train, but takes 4 hours by bike

I don't think anybody is suggesting that, in fact I wonder why you even raised it.

Because I agree with chosenbreed37's point that some people are "just too far away from the office to be able to cycle"

And if I'd chosen a non-ridiculous number for my example, someone would have 'corrected' me by telling me they cycle that far. I've met Londoners who have a 2 hour cycle commute, by choice because they love cycling.

Disclaimer: I don't bike, although I used to occasionally commute to work via a kick scooter when I was in the mood, or when there was something wrong with the subway. Your other points notwithstanding:

> You may have to be confident/experienced/macho enough to ride among traffic and navigate big multi-lane junctions.

But not so much if they're closing large areas of the city to cars, right?

> You have to own a bike you're happy to use. [...] You have to plan out and learn a route. [...] You may have to figure out how to store your bike at both ends.

It occurs to me that this applies to cars too, and cars are an order of magnitude larger and more expensive. So it's mostly a cultural change.

> You have to be fit enough for the distance you need to go. [...] You have to be willing to shower and change at your destination, or not do so.

Would an electric bike help with this? Lower level of physical exertion = less sweating.

Are bikes not allowed on trains or buses? That would be a challenge for a longer commute.
Only folding bikes are allowed on trains or buses, hence the local development of the Brompton folding bike.

In the Netherlands, it's not uncommon to have a cheap bike at both ends of a rail commute.

I used to keep a cheap bike at Victoria. The mainline stations have bike parks.
Yes, many commutes from London suburbs to the centre are not easily cyclable but nor are they really drivable either due to congestion and lack of city-centre parking. Although, if you drastically reduce the number of cars on the road, then you would have more space for more direct and safe cycle routes, which would increase the number of cyclable journeys. Reduced congestion might also let you run more busses.

But yeah, ultimately the pre-Corona model of London commuting, with basically the entire population of the city going into and out from the centre at the start and end of the day is not going to be feasible anymore, no matter what mix of cars, public transport, walking and cycling you have. But we should still try to achieve a mix than enables the best possible quality of life for everyone.

As a Dutchman I just don't like cycling here in London, I am living in Westminster and work near Bank. The cycling is doable but most cars don't care about cyclists while they are after pedestrians the weakest participator.
Hard to imagine people will accept a return to brown air and constant carnage. Most living people have never seen air this clear, or experienced cities so quiet.
The city being so quiet also means that a lot of people aren't there to actually see it.
Sort of. People aren't very loud. Cars are very loud, especially their horns and the loud beeps from locking/unlocking with a clicker. Amsterdam is a good example of a bustling city that is relatively quiet.
I was being kept awake by loud traffic the other day and suddenly realized, in my lifetime, that sound will probably go away, replaced by quiet electromotors -- along with the smell!
It could be replaced today largely by bicycles. $30,000 electric cars and charging infrastructure not required.
> along with the smell!

I grew up in rural US.

I took a few trips to Europe and to date the smell of car / bus exhaust reminds me of European cities. It's not a pleasant smell but the memories are pleasant.

Weird that in the US I just never associated big cities that I visited here with it as much I did with my trips to Europe.

This is cause the cars are actually cleaner here...

Europe is getting over its experiment with Diesel after the whole VW-gate thing, for years they were driving diesels that were polluting more than gas/petrol cars in the US were allowed to.

Europe, for decades, promoted diesel cars for the sake of fuel efficiency in the erroneous belief that effective car-scale emissions filtration could be developed. The US didn't, and gasoline car exhaust, while still terrible for human health, is much better than diesel exhaust.

This has improved dramatically in recent years with truck/bus filtration systems, electrification, and car bans (or dirty car bans) in European city centers.

Now that the din of the freeway has been reduced here it's been replaced by the sound of everyone's noisy exhaust. I'm debating sitting on the front porch at night with a paintball marker and firing away at anyone with a loud exhaust.
For American cities it means that people who live in the suburbs aren't driving all over our city centers all day long. I don't know what it means for London.
I think there is a yang to that yin in that without folks from the burbs coming in, those city centers might not be what they are today after a while...

Sometimes I wonder if folks worried about 'those people from the suburbs' coming in would just result in cities being slightly more dense ... suburbs.

If the "yin" is people from Blackhawk drive on elevated freeways to their jobs in San Francisco and the "yang" is that kids from Oakland lose 10 years of life expectancy from asthma, I'm not sure that adds up to harmonious symbiosis.
It probably isn't, but I suspect the result I describe would be much the same.
People from the suburbs are great to have in the city if they're people. It's just that their cars are deadly and a massive waste of public space. Rail remains the best solution for this, as it will be again when we're on the other side of this pandemic.
Yeah I'm all for giving folks as many efficient ways to get into a city.

I can't wait for a train to be built near me.

> Hard to imagine people will accept a return to brown air and constant carnage. Most living people have never seen air this clear, or experienced cities so quiet.

It might depend on the city. I imagine that in a many large cities people go there to work or other reasons and don't necessarily live in the places most affected by traffic and pollution. I imagine that these commuters do care about the quality of the air but I suspect they care more about being able to go work or run their businesses.

The continued existence of parasitic suburbs may not be assured.
> The continued existence of parasitic suburbs may not be assured.

What about the folks who've spent a small fortune to live in those "parasitic suburbs" LOL?

something can be expensive even after subsidy. most people accept that cars are more expensive than bikes, despite having an incredible subsidy
The cities don't have the housing and service capacity for all the people who work there.

The cities and suburbs wouldn't exist in anything near their current form without each other. Neither would exist as they are if rural areas didn't provide the resources they do with the (tiny) amount of labor they do. Our entire modern world is interconnected like that. You can try and turn policy knobs in order to have a steep urban to rural transition with minimal suburbs in between but there's always going to be a transition, never a sharp cutoff.

I’m talking about the real parasites, the ones where they draw a line around their fancy houses and say “that’s your school district and this is ours” but reserve the right to drive to and through your city, and park there, and access its jobs and cultural institutions.
I think first of all people will want to go to work and make a living.

You gotta cover that need as much as possible before you change the latter.

People are very good at accepting things, if not doing so would mean inconveniencing themselves.
Cities weren’t meant to be quiet.
Compare to NYC, which has no cohesive plan for people movement without public transit.

It’s going to be a challenge to come out of this crisis in car-centric American cities. Even a small mode-shift to private cars in somewhere like NYC will cause insane gridlock, air pollution, and quality of life issues. Our cultural dislike of walking and biking is going to make healthy recovery much more difficult.

Are you saying NYC is car centric? It isn't, that's why it is struggling without public transit.

In the vast majority of American cities a large portion of workers drive to work during normal conditions. They already have the road capacity, parking, etc needed. The car-centric American cities are actually much better suited for this crisis than NYC is.

NYC is quite car-centric by international standards. Compare to London (or Paris, or lots of other places), which in response to COVID has:

* Used congestion pricing as a tool to reduce pollution/returning traffic/mode-shift to cars

* Shut off large areas of their city to cars

* Rapidly built pedestrian/bike networks to accommodate for non-car movement

While NYC has:

* Indefinitely postponed congestion pricing

* Defunded bike safety and public transit improvement initiatives

* Not built any cohesive bike or pedestrian systems to encourage non-car transport

Of course in pre-COVID times, NYC severely lagged in both pedestrian and cyclist infrastructure/investment, and famously has some of the most expensive public-transit construction costs in the world.

re: car-centric cities, agreed that somewhere like Nashville is not going to have these kinds of problems. However, a large swath of Americans live in public transit or carpool-reliant cities (NYC/SF/Seattle/DC/Chicago/Southern California, many large southern cities). Mode-shift to private transit would increase traffic 10-20+% in most of these places, which I think we can all agree is not ideal for pollution, gridlock, parking needs, public health, etc.

NYC did legalize e-bikes at the start of all this, a step in the right direction.
I know this is a drop in the bucket, but FWIW in Brooklyn I've been seeing easily 3-4x the normal bike traffic, and bike shops consistently have long lines outside all day, every day. I've personally bought an e-bike to commute with once I can get back to the office. Hopefully this might be kind of a hinge moment for bikes in the city? Or maybe it just snaps back to normal in a couple months, who knows.
Hopefully it will be a huge moment, but without safe bike infrastructure (of which car-free or local-car-access-only areas are the best type) the traffic that comes roaring back will scare many new cyclists away.

The city's failure to plan is resulting in many people buying cars — even though it is physically impossible for everyone in central neighborhoods to buy cars.

Where I live near downtown Atlanta I'm also seeing 3-4x the normal bike traffic. We don't have very good bike lanes here so most cyclists are just riding in traffic or on sidewalks. It feels like Atlanta wants to bike so badly; we just don't have the built infrastructure yet.
You make no sense:

> Compare to NYC, which has no cohesive plan for people movement without public transit.

Yes, NYC is far too dense for cars, but how is this a contrast with London trying to reduce car use, and which is only a little bit less dense?

> Our cultural dislike of walking and biking is going to make healthy recovery much more difficult.

Biking should be public transit, as storing bikes in houses and offices is a waste of spaces and bicycles. The city should have taken over from Motivate, at which point it would be political suicide not to expand to the rest of the city immediately.

In particular, let me rant on this a bit. The equitable way to expand is to cover everything within `x` feet of subway, along with the densest areas not covered by transit. What they've done instead is blatantly prioritize areas where out-of-towners move to. Note this is about social class not economic: starving artists moving east to Bushwick get their bikes before rich native New Yorkers in Forest Hills, or more native but closer to a transit hub Sunnyside.

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Milan is also planning to work on bike lanes at this time (it's very bad for biking as of now)
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The city of Vienna did this with their major shopping artery (Mariahilfer Straße), despite an enormous amount of skepticsm. They closed off all traffic in some parts, and most of all traffic in others (to allow for crucial intersections). Where allowed, traffic is limited to a pedestrian tempo.

The experiment was a huge success. Commerce has never been busier. I don't think that the drivers miss the roads, and the biggest skeptics -- the shopowners! -- are the greatest benefactors now.

They're extending this concept to further areas now. Promote pedestrian, bike, and public transportation traffic, reduce or eliminate everything else. It's great.

These pedestrianization experiments seem to usually work, and I support them. Does anyone know where they've failed?
IIRC, it failed in Durham, NC a couple of decades ago. According to the city museum.
Car-Free = Inconvenient = 19the Century-Like

If you like your public transport, you can keep your public transport. It may not be Covid19-free, but do you want to save the world or not?

It will take a monumental effort from all Londoners to maintain safe social distancing on public transport as lockdown restrictions are gradually eased. That means we have to keep the number of people using public transport as low as possible. -- Mayor Khan

ISTM the way to make distancing possible on public transport is not to keep people off transport, but to increase capacity. If the train runs every 30 seconds, you'll get quite a bit more breathing room than if it runs every five minutes.

[EDIT:] I should have noted, since I've never been to UK this is more of a general observation than a specific recommendation. Certainly most transit systems in USA have the physical capacity, if not the operating budget, to run much more often. Any bus system, however, could buy more buses, if social distancing on transit were a priority. Perhaps I am too suspicious but when I hear "don't ride the train" I translate that to "we're getting rid of the train". Probably not happening in London but you could see it anywhere in USA.

My understanding is that the lines don't have the signalling infrastructure required to run trains that close together.
This supposes there is capacity to increase frequency. For almost all lines in London frequency was already at max. For example the Victoria line trains run every 100s (it's actually harder to get faster than that) at peak times. Despite this the line is always completely packed (often waiting a train or two to get space) at peak times. Similarly on some routes it's a continous line of busses so capacity can't be added there either. Additionally stations that required lifts (elevators) can't increase capacity.

Now during Covid capacity was reduced but it's being ramped up again.

In London there is physically no way to physically distance people using public transport. The only way it'll be achieved is to get everyone who can walk or bike to work to do so. From my experience only a tiny fraction of the number of people who could bike to work did so.

Now the offices are too small to physically distance people anyway so there are issues there too.

Curious...if everyone is wearing a mask or equivalent does that not reduce or eliminating the need for distancing...?
Wearing a mask reduces the risk of infecting others. Standing futher away also reduces the risk. Together you achieve an even greater reduction. No one measure is going to be the silver bullet.

Physical distance is also about more than just not breathing in other's air. It also makes it easier to avoid touching the same surfaces too much. Have a look the number of hands on the centre poll on a London underground train during rush hour.

Easiest of all is to work remotely. Doesn't the entire City of London work in front of a computer all day anyway?
I hope it will be made permanent. As tourist I would like to visit car free cities. For London residents clean air.

Modern large cities are incompatible with cars.

Easy to do that in the summer, but what happens come winter in a rainy city?

The future is in hybrid, low impact remote work, and minimal city traffic. Mass transit and traffic jams belong to the industrial era, should have been abandoned long ago