Ask HN: Is there a search engine which excludes the world's biggest websites?
Discovering unknown paths of the web seems almost impossible with google et al..
Are there any earch engines which exclude or at least penalize results from, say, top 500 websites?
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I haven't had that great results with it myself though.
Garbage in, garbage out. I guess. Still I like the idea of something to side-step the SEO perhaps with more effort they can make it work but relying on Google or any major search engine for the base results is the wrong way to go.
I suppose it depends on the category.
[1] https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C29&q=wad...
There are so many cool things I remember reading on the web like 10-20 years ago that still exist that are so buried now on Google they might as well not exist. Nowadays searching any topic seems to always lead you to CNN and Microsoft and Facebook and other huge corporations. Search results are just becoming more sanitized and beige and meaningless every day.
Sure people hosted on geocities and tripod and they were the biggest and easiest to remember. But quality of a geocities page compared to a mit student page was much lower.
https://www.google.com/search?q=coronavirus
In the context of "trying to do research on coronaviruses" your comment appears to be not only correct but an important distinction, rather than the pedantry it appears to be.
From Wikipedia: "...more lethal varieties [of coronaviruses] can cause SARS, MERS, and COVID-19."
And...
"Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 [SARS-CoV-2] is the strain of coronavirus..."
I learned something today!
To be honest, I was a bit disappointed when I found out, though I admit now it's a little refreshing to have be so simply named.
They changed the name of this coronavirus to reflect the disease more accurately to COVID-19.[1]
The CDC has a list of other coronavirus’ that have existed.[2]
0: https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1227297754499764230?s=20
0.5: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html
1: https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-...
2: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
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Edit: Since there seems to be a misunderstanding from everybody’s part on this as it’s referred to as both and often interchangeably in a mainstream setting, take a look at John Hopkins guide: https://www.hopkinsguides.com/hopkins/view/Johns_Hopkins_ABX...
From link [2]: "SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19)"
The previous comment was just making the point that the (new) virus is called SARS-CoV-2 and the associated disease is called COVID-19.
COVID-19: disease caused by SARS-CoV-2
SARS-CoV-2: strain of SARS-CoV
SARS-CoV: severe accute respiratory syndrome coronavirus
Coronavirus: virus that causes respiratory diseases in mammals, such as SARS (SARS-CoV) MERS (MERS-CoV), and COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2)
Excuse the incivility, but no. SARS-CoV-2 is not a strain or type of SARS-CoV. The viruses share ancestors, but SARS-CoV-2 did not come directly from SARS-CoV. SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 are in the category of beta coronaviruses[0].
"The whole genome-based phylogenetic analysis presented that two Bat SARS-like CoVs (ZXC21 and ZC45) were the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2."[1]
[0] https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0817/9/3/240/htm
[1] https://www.mdpi.com/pathogens/pathogens-09-00240/article_de...
While we're on the topic of linguistic pedantary, strain isn't exclusive to direct mutations from a parent genome. Strains, like much of biological taxonomy, are a human abstraction to make communication of the idea of -- in this case -- "a virus sharing similar properties to coronaviruses that cause severe acute respiratory syndrome" -- albeit this is a very simplified definition for the sake of brevity.
SARS is caused by SARS-CoV-1 and COVID-19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2.
Rather, if we would like to be absolutely correct about these classifications, we would say SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 are both strains of SARSr-CoV (Severe accute respiratory syndrome related coronavirus), which in itself is a species, an abstract concept used to group related organisms into a convenient umbrella term.
There is no "eukaryote" organism the same way there is no "SARSr-CoV" organism. The added "r" was a recent addition when COVID-19 was discovered.
I will cede that I didn't specify this last point, and you were correct to point it out.
Thank you for making my point, again.
Genera -- as in SARS-CoV-2's genus is Betacoronovirus -- don't have "strains."
Only families -- such as the SARSr-CoV family -- have strains.
> SARS-CoV-2: strain of SARS-CoV
GP was pointing out that this was incorrect, and you just made that point by stating it yourself.
Assuming you are intending to engage in the conversation and not be a pedant, I might let you know that your replies are coming across quite coarsely. More specifically, as to prefaces on earlier comments, there is no need to excuse incivility, because there is no need for incivility here.
At least this did not fall into the category of "Cold regurgitation of data" (quite popular it seems) and had a level of warmth that was an indication of passion, more than anger (from all parties).
If they added a temperature social cue to HN comments..... That would be funny.
If these were names for services and classes that came in a code review, how many would really approve?
There was "rebranded" web search that someone created a number of years ago and posted on HN that aimed to exclude the top websites from results. I cannot remember the name he gave to the project.
One way to exclude the world's biggest websites when using Google is to restrict the search to TLDs other than .com, .net and .org. The root zone is full of silly new TLDs that no one uses for large websites. There are hundreds to choose from.
https://www.google.com/search?q=coronavirus+site:edu
Looks like Google Scholar is including a number of "coronavirus links" on the main page but thankfully not in the results.
https://scholar.google.com
https://scholar.google.com/search?q=coronavirus
Why not skip Google and "web search" and use a database that does not include all the crap one finds on the www
Something like
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov?term=coronavirus
or
https://search.crossref.org/?q=coronavirus
I have a theory that web crawling alone is not the best way forward to find the most relevant results because of the volume of content continually being created, much of which is niche and sometimes dynamic.
Instead I believe linking together vertical search sources that have targeted information based on search intent will provide better results.
I created Runnaroo [0] for that purpose. If you search a programing question, it will pull traditional organic results from Google, but it will also directly query Stack Overflow for a deeper search.
[0] https://www.runnaroo.com
https://www.runnaroo.com/search?term=J+apply+verb
versus google's completely useless:
https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&q=J+apply+verb&oq=...
Everyone else, get in here: this is top notch stuff.
My trick now is to use Twitter to discover interesting people, and follow them there. Granted, it's not a search engine, but it's at least given me the ability to discover weird things again.
One of the things I enjoy doing on Twitter is posting up something I'm working on, and then clicking through to all the profiles of the people who like, comment, or retweet my work. I stumble across an incredibly diverse range of people by doing this, many with conflicting opinions to my own, and many who belong to strange subcultures that I don't understand, but who were all drawn to my work for one reason or another.
I think there's definitely a danger of crafting a bubble for yourself if you choose to use it that way, but as a tool for discovering people making cool stuff who otherwise wouldn't cut through the noise on something like Google search, I haven't found anything better.
Over time you would get a 'pagerank for people' and could do awesome stuff with that, like 'You don't know XYZ, but 3 people you trust trust her, and this is what they tell about her:' ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klout
Especially shopping. The endless stores are the worst part of search results. If I search for anything that remotely looks like a product, the results are just choked with store after store trying to sell me the thing. Awful.
https://forms.gle/5KuTYVdYaMzRD2n78
There's so many Chinese forums for hardware/firmware hacking/mods, a shame translators are still very bad...
> In the early days of the web, pages were made primarily by hobbyists, academics, and computer savvy people about subjects they were interested in. Later on, the web became saturated with commercial pages that overcrowded everything else. All the personalized websites are hidden among a pile of commercial pages. [...] The Wiby search engine is building a web of pages as it was in the earlier days of the internet.
For example, I submitted Pizza Hut's archived original web page [1], but it wasn't added.
Even for a search engine exposing niches, updating a directory manually will likely be too slow, unless the directory is maintaining a single nich (e.g., unladen airspeed of every species of swallow), but then we end up with some insane number of search engines and how to select which one?
[1] http://www.pizzahut.com/assets/pizzanet/home.html
The problem I'm running into is that I still have to use major search engines to find new content, way more than I'd like. I hope to make my local service available open source once I have 'federated' history search working, so that we can have a primitive search engine and share with people we trust. Also need to work out some security issues - it's scary having all the content you read and see on your home network, protected only by your hackily-patched-together security.
EDIT: Actually I'd like to elaborate a bit more in case anybody actually reads this and has any ideas. On the desktop side, it's pretty easy. Initially started out MITMing my own traffic with a self-signed cert added as a root cert to all my machines. This only works on my home network, so I did a VPN thing. This was way to clunky and the security concerns are innumerable. I ended up biting the bullet and writing a chrome extension which works wonderfully, except for some slight performance issues.
However, I wish to also archive my phone content - I read just as much on my phone as my computer. I can do it on Android with the MITM process, but the same issues as above still apply, and it doesn't work with iOS (at least I can't find a way).
I'm thinking of taking an open source project, like Firefox/Fennec and building it in to the app itself. In that case it may make sense to forgo the browser extension and just roll my own forked browser on every platform, even iOS. I don't know much about iOS dev though.
Wiby is based around two main things:
Non commercial content (1) that does not rely heavily on excessive javascript and CSS (2).
http://wiby.me/submit contains the submission criteria.
For example, I enjoy weightlifting and strength sports. I did a search for "muscle", and every result but one was using the word "muscle" as a figurative metaphor. Barely anything about actual muscles. Searching "funk" was just as bad. One page about Motown and a LOT of midis.
Ex: The network map for “weightlifting” would include many clusters, but 2 big ones would be the hypertrophic cluster (surrounded by a bunch of related terms) and toning cluster (calisthenics would be under this cluster for example). Click on either and the results will change accordingly.
This would actually work even better for subjects you don’t know much about, because Google will teach you about the salient clusters in that field. The clusters could be enhanced with popular images associated with each term. Popular clusters would display as larger than others.
I’d have to submit every blog post?
https://attic.city/
Currently for three product tiers (furniture, home decor, and fashion/clothing) in 14 major US markets, where stores within ~100 miles or a ~2 hour drive are considered as part of the market.
Disclaimer: I'm one of the founders.
See this example of filtering Stack Overflow out of search results:
https://www.google.com/search?q=loop+over+array+items+in+jav...
But i find the search is at a much lower quality than Google.
Anyone reading this, please post if you find any
1. Looking for niche domain or institutional/social knowledge produced by experts or insiders for an informed audience that isn't necessarily available in a scientific journal.
Especially with respect to the social sciences and literary analysis, there's a wealth of intelligent commentators that don't surface well on Google without very specific search terms, and the willful subtraction of domains like quora, medium, and tumblr.
They're usually contained on poorly maintained WordPress sites that the author has long-since forgotten about, or as invalid, handcoded html docs hidden in the personal subdomains of university professors and students.
2. Finding online communities that aren't a part of Reddit or a similarly prominent platform
This was fire. If a topic were being discussed on the web, you could find it with this tool. Unfortunately, it did not fit the vision of the parasitic overlords who bred us to produce and consume for their benefit.
Before I knew about DEVONagent I would often just search multiple engines and sources trying to find something particular (e.g. a particular PDF) or unique results.
https://www.devontechnologies.com/apps/devonagent
Does anybody knows of something similar for Windows or Linux ?
Google says they need our information to "improve our experience", but we can't tell them what to omit ...
You could add a bunch of heuristics such as size, number of links etc.
Maybe even train a classifier to select the “smaller” part of the web.
I do a random city + documentary as the search term, it's taken me all over the world and seen some very strange things.
One of my favourites was Aarhus, which had a Danish language rapper proclaiming he was putting Aarhus on the global map (I have never heard of the city of Aarhus). https://youtu.be/WSZxuzgImLo They dis Copenhagen a lot too, lol. You get a more intimate YouTube experience with the low view videos
But I also seen amazing religious rituals. An excellent documentary on Karachi.
Because it's observable hq you can fork it and figure out your own algorithm for biasing the random.
Each session would have an updatable list of sites that are favored, whitelisted or blacklisted for a particular class of search.
can google allow us to exclude certain sites? i was surprised to see w3school showing up above official documentations for pandas and numpy. this is simply ridiculous!!
Its kinda new so it excludes kinda everything :-) But you can make it work better :-)
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmQ1Vong13MDNxixDyUdjniqqEj8sjuNEBYMyhQ...