> WWDC20 brings together millions of Apple developers around the world. Join us for a fully packed program to gain early access to the future of Apple platforms and engage with Apple engineers.
> June 22-26
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I don’t work for Apple, so I don’t have any specific knowledge on that issue. I would try reaching them through the official channels, and if that doesn’t work, official Apple Twitter account DM.
Surely I did reach out to them via emails and phone calls, several times in the past few weeks. It was not helpful at all as they just tell me to wait and "we'll update you when there is more info".
Haven't thought of Twitter DM tho, I'm gonna try it. Thanks for the tip.
It bugged me because that isn’t what would happen to your iOS devices if the App Store went down, to my knowledge. I don’t know what would happen but likely nothing at all immediately. Apps don’t suddenly disappear if you’re in airplane mode indefinitely. Even app revokes wouldn’t affect you if you’re not online, and there are degrees of app revokes. Some just remove the app from the App Store, but preserve the ability to reinstall for those who already have the app. More strict are those which remove the app from the App Store entirely, with no ability to reinstall. Those are extremely rare cases, but I disagree with the concept on principle except in cases of malware or other abuse, as determined by me. Currently, Apple decides.
Still, all those apps disappearing ground my gears.
What apps do they not let owners reinstall? I got iDOS on my iPhone during a brief stint on the App Store and was able to redownload it on all my new devices until they dropped 32 bit support.
It was a pretty cool party trick to run Windows 95 on my phone without jailbreaking it, and it seems like that's exactly the kind of app they would remove permanently. Additionally, I could use the DOS prompt to poke around the system files (though it was read-only).
That’s a great question. I believe that apps which have been deleted from the App Store by the developer cannot be reinstalled through the Purchased tab in App Store. I’m looking for specific examples, but so far all I’ve seen which aren’t reinstallable in App Store are either 32-bit as you mentioned or removed by the developer.
That document is definitely very out of date, I don’t think any of it is even relevant any more. The unsupported features listed were implemented a long time ago. Safari does handle mouse events (e.g. hover) as best as those concepts translate to a touch platform.
On iPadOS 13 it actually goes as far as pretending to be a Mac. Developers have resorted to using hacky client-side detection such as checking for touch support to determine if they’re on an actual Mac, or an iPad pretending to be a Mac. (https://stackoverflow.com/a/58064750)
Pretty much they don’t want you to treat iPad as a big iPhone, but if they can pull that off with iPad, it implies both iPad and iPhone Safari is a desktop-class browser with almost complete feature parity.
You make it sound like there are apps for Windows, Linux, and Android, and anything else. There's just an iOS app, and it's there because the WWDC app for iOS has been there for years, especially useful in a physical conference where you're bringing your mobile device with you.
For real computers, a website is just fine. And they probably don't care much about Android anyway.
The website is fine. I'm sure it's fine on iOS, too. But it was supposed to be simple to port iOS apps to MacOS, and they didn't bother with their own developer conference app, if only for the reason to lead by example.
When I gave a demo of Kaleida ScriptX DreamScape at WWDC in 1995, the rule was that if your demo crashed, you had to do push-ups. Is that still the case?
My improvisational demo briefly came off the rails and froze up for a few seconds while I was switching between Netscape, Director, WebStar, BBEdit, and ScriptX, it had an attrotious frame rate, and butt-ugly programmer graphics, my screen fell in at the 6:00 mark, then a butterfly hijacked control of the presentation, and an insane rube-golbergesque robot went out of control, started bouncing around the screen, and broke apart into pieces, but it never actually crashed!
> When I gave a demo of Kaleida ScriptX DreamScape at WWDC in 1995, the rule was that if your demo crashed, you had to do push-ups. Is that still the case?
Have you not paid attention to the WWDC in 25 years? If so, one, why are you asking and two, the answer probably doesn't matter anyway.
Aw. Please use HN in the intended spirit: curious conversation, not cross examination. We've even made it easy for you—that's directly in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Seriously...you'll feel better, too.
That demo was pretty cool! I remember the wonder of that era well, and your demo captured well how hard it was to get to those magical ‘wow’ moments, and how worth it that it was, as least the times worth remembering well.
Thank you -- It was an exciting time, working with some amazing people!
Here's something I wrote earlier on HN, in the discussion about Randy Nelson, one of the Flying Karamotzov Brothers, who worked at Kaleida teaching developers ScriptX! He recently retired from his job "teaching leadership-as-jazz to Apple staff worldwide."
Steve Jobs hired a career juggler to teach programming to developers (cake.co)
>Randy Nelson is awesome and brilliant! He deeply understands programming, teaching, performance and entertainment, and is really great to work with and learn from. I was very lucky that we worked together on ScriptX at Kaleida Labs, where he was in charge of training developers to program ScriptX. Yes, of course, he would actually juggle in class!
>The former Dean of Pixar University, Randy Nelson, explains what schools must do to prepare students (and themselves) for new models in the workplace. To learn more about collaboration in education, visit https://www.edutopia.org/integrated-studies
>1. You want to find people with mastery, true depth.
>2. The problem is, that isn’t enough. You need people who had failed and recovered. The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance.
>3. Breadth, meaning curiosity about things beyond what you’re deep in.
>4. Collaboration. Not a synonym for cooperation, but the ability to magnify others.
And here's Randy talking about Programming as the fourth "R":
CUE 2012 Closing Keynote - Randy Nelson - Programming as the fourth "R"
This demo brought back memories of being a teenager in the 90s. Wired magazine with the number of people on the Internet written on the spine, people and companies that saw the Internet as an amazing new medium but didn't know how it would work out but still did it anyway. Crazy ideas that might just work, though many didn't. The lingering fear that the government was going to shut down the Ineternet at any point, but the feeling that there was a community that would fight against that.
Supposedly our companies and organizations should look like the community. For diversity. Unless the community happens to be mostly white males, then diversity means showing underrepresented groups instead of what the community looks like.
I've not heard diversity presented as looking like the world. For hiring and executive boards and the like, the argument has always been that our companies should resemble our communities more.
If you really want to represent the world's developers more accurately, you would still end up showing more white or east Asian males since most developers are white or east Asian males.
Strangely enough neither of those two demographics are represented in the graphic at the provided link. Strange.
Developers are not the community. Why is that a hard concept?
Apple is a Bay Area company, based in America. It should statistically show something closer to the actual diversity of the country. Pointing at the developer community as being what companies should be reflective of simply says "maintain the same set of biases".
WWDC has actually been very good in terms of not being just straight white and male.
The first is obviously kind of meaningless - presenters aren't standard up and announcing their orientation at the beginning of each session.
But if you actually do watch there are numerous PoC and woman in the sessions.
Is it a flawless representation of the real world? no, while apple may have better stats than other tech companies, that's still a super low bar.
Even once people accept that there is a problem, meaningfully changing the diversity of a large company takes time because you the large existing set of employees will swamp the overall company stats for many years.
Plus, the demographic of people graduating with CS/engineering degrees should be really close to your hired demographic, if there’s no bias. These tech companies don’t control the output of those universities, which do have a bias. That bias will change slowly, as well.
If the industry doesn’t produce the desired diversity, Apple could always create its own in-house training program. I think that’s a great idea, actually, as long as it’s open to all prospective applicants equally, ideally for no charge to the learner. Even better would be to open it to the public, gratis.
Tech companies have a bias as to what universities they hire from, which when coupled with people recommending others they know, results in a reinforcing policy.
I am aware of people and execs who would preferentially choose Ivys and the big private schools, sometimes even specific schools (e.g. Stanford grads). Given the high end schools have also historically been super racist (e.g. explicitly banning black people entirely until that was ruled absolutely illegal), and still maintain that racism after that through a bunch of subtle mechanisms - for a number it's still seemingly deliberate.
It should be fairly clear how in that environment it is necessary to explicitly pay attention to who and how you're hiring in order to avoid simply reinforcing and repeating existing biases.
"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."
I think in future this will gain momentum. We had one of my co-workers attend this event and he was super happy with the experience. But if you think of it you are flying 1000s of people all over the global, hotel, cabs .... way too much money spent. Also less carbon footprint :-)
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 117 ms ] thread> WWDC20 brings together millions of Apple developers around the world. Join us for a fully packed program to gain early access to the future of Apple platforms and engage with Apple engineers.
> June 22-26
> Requirements. Watching session videos and viewing related documentation and sample code is available to anyone. To request a lab appointment or to post questions for Apple engineers about WWDC20 content on the forums, you must be a member of the Apple Developer Program or Apple Developer Enterprise Program as of June 11, 2020 at 9 a.m. PDT, or a Swift Student Challenge winner. Your membership must be current, valid, and in good standing from this date until the end of WWDC20.
Haven't thought of Twitter DM tho, I'm gonna try it. Thanks for the tip.
Still, all those apps disappearing ground my gears.
/rant
It was a pretty cool party trick to run Windows 95 on my phone without jailbreaking it, and it seems like that's exactly the kind of app they would remove permanently. Additionally, I could use the DOS prompt to poke around the system files (though it was read-only).
After all the fuss over Project Catalyst/Marzipan last WWDC, it does not inspire confidence if you cannot even bother to port this to Mac.
Just an observation, it doesn't matter to me personally.
https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/technotes/tn2010...
On iPadOS 13 it actually goes as far as pretending to be a Mac. Developers have resorted to using hacky client-side detection such as checking for touch support to determine if they’re on an actual Mac, or an iPad pretending to be a Mac. (https://stackoverflow.com/a/58064750)
Pretty much they don’t want you to treat iPad as a big iPhone, but if they can pull that off with iPad, it implies both iPad and iPhone Safari is a desktop-class browser with almost complete feature parity.
You make it sound like there are apps for Windows, Linux, and Android, and anything else. There's just an iOS app, and it's there because the WWDC app for iOS has been there for years, especially useful in a physical conference where you're bringing your mobile device with you.
For real computers, a website is just fine. And they probably don't care much about Android anyway.
The website is fine. I'm sure it's fine on iOS, too. But it was supposed to be simple to port iOS apps to MacOS, and they didn't bother with their own developer conference app, if only for the reason to lead by example.
https://wwdc.io/
My improvisational demo briefly came off the rails and froze up for a few seconds while I was switching between Netscape, Director, WebStar, BBEdit, and ScriptX, it had an attrotious frame rate, and butt-ugly programmer graphics, my screen fell in at the 6:00 mark, then a butterfly hijacked control of the presentation, and an insane rube-golbergesque robot went out of control, started bouncing around the screen, and broke apart into pieces, but it never actually crashed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NytloOy7WM
Have you not paid attention to the WWDC in 25 years? If so, one, why are you asking and two, the answer probably doesn't matter anyway.
Here's something I wrote earlier on HN, in the discussion about Randy Nelson, one of the Flying Karamotzov Brothers, who worked at Kaleida teaching developers ScriptX! He recently retired from his job "teaching leadership-as-jazz to Apple staff worldwide."
Steve Jobs hired a career juggler to teach programming to developers (cake.co)
https://www.cake.co/conversations/w3j7jDp/that-time-steve-jo...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18772263
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18776444
>Randy Nelson is awesome and brilliant! He deeply understands programming, teaching, performance and entertainment, and is really great to work with and learn from. I was very lucky that we worked together on ScriptX at Kaleida Labs, where he was in charge of training developers to program ScriptX. Yes, of course, he would actually juggle in class!
Here is one of his few public apperances:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhXJe8ANws8
>Pixar's Randy Nelson on the Collaborative Age
>The former Dean of Pixar University, Randy Nelson, explains what schools must do to prepare students (and themselves) for new models in the workplace. To learn more about collaboration in education, visit https://www.edutopia.org/integrated-studies
>1. You want to find people with mastery, true depth.
>2. The problem is, that isn’t enough. You need people who had failed and recovered. The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance.
>3. Breadth, meaning curiosity about things beyond what you’re deep in.
>4. Collaboration. Not a synonym for cooperation, but the ability to magnify others.
And here's Randy talking about Programming as the fourth "R":
CUE 2012 Closing Keynote - Randy Nelson - Programming as the fourth "R"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx_sYSYJfGg
Here is a white paper I wrote about the underlying dynamic web stuff I developed for ScriptX that's shown in the DreamScape demo:
http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/lang/scriptx/scriptx-www.htm...
ScriptX and the World Wide Web: "Link Globally, Interact Locally"
And I'm pretty sure I was at your WWDC demo. That was a wild summer, everything seemed to be happening at once.
Thanks for the flashback :)
Straight, white, male: Choose two.
If you really want to represent the world's developers more accurately, you would still end up showing more white or east Asian males since most developers are white or east Asian males.
Strangely enough neither of those two demographics are represented in the graphic at the provided link. Strange.
Developers are not the community. Why is that a hard concept?
Apple is a Bay Area company, based in America. It should statistically show something closer to the actual diversity of the country. Pointing at the developer community as being what companies should be reflective of simply says "maintain the same set of biases".
The first is obviously kind of meaningless - presenters aren't standard up and announcing their orientation at the beginning of each session.
But if you actually do watch there are numerous PoC and woman in the sessions.
Is it a flawless representation of the real world? no, while apple may have better stats than other tech companies, that's still a super low bar.
Even once people accept that there is a problem, meaningfully changing the diversity of a large company takes time because you the large existing set of employees will swamp the overall company stats for many years.
I am aware of people and execs who would preferentially choose Ivys and the big private schools, sometimes even specific schools (e.g. Stanford grads). Given the high end schools have also historically been super racist (e.g. explicitly banning black people entirely until that was ruled absolutely illegal), and still maintain that racism after that through a bunch of subtle mechanisms - for a number it's still seemingly deliberate.
It should be fairly clear how in that environment it is necessary to explicitly pay attention to who and how you're hiring in order to avoid simply reinforcing and repeating existing biases.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22568337
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22568601
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23081500
So obviously we should bury this one as a dupe, but I can't, because DonHopkins' comment is too good. damn you don
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23346089
Unless we've all been duped!
(I’ll see myself out...)