I'm kinda worried about China. A lot of thinks I'm hearing from it in the recent years sounds a lot like the the thinks I have heard about early hitler Germany during history school class and other sources (I'm German).
It's not even that much about the situation about Uighurs but more about aspects like:
- The propaganda they use.
- The way they don't care about human live and dignity.
- The way they slowly bit by bit make military (and non military) advances. (Germany bit by bit broke many restrictions imposed on it and the world didn't act because they had other problems, and non of the steps by itself where "to big". Take a look at recent Chinese military and "cyber" actions).
- And very important the sometimes subtle but always present nationalist, fascism and generally reasoning that violence (sometimes even genocide) is ok if it's for the "right" reason you find in close to all Chinese wuxia novels (~= read fantasy youth novels) (from my experience), movies (from my dads experience) and probably other entertainment material.
The last point plus propaganda can easily create a mindset over some generations which is open for pointless war and war crimes, including genocide, if its for revenge and defeats the enemy for good. The problem is that such a thing can easily lead to a vicious cycle of radicalization. And tbh. I wouldn't be surprised if many people making decisions about the Uighurs would also be fine with genocide, it's just not necessary as they can make their culture disappeare without it which is a much more politically efficient method.
I really hope I'm completely wrong about this.
EDIT: Removed PS see my other post about some parts the article misses, maybe intentionally.
> like the things I have heard about early hitler Germany
Yes, there are strong similarities between dictatorships in general.
China was thought of as inward-focused and benign until recently. However their goal of having a navy as large as the US and their behavior in the 9-dashes area has changed that.
The Belt-and-Road initiative is a thinly-veiled attempt to colonize weak countries economically.
The corona pandemic has made the world aware of behavior that was previously downplayed.
But what will cause extreme friction with other countries is China's refusal to ever accept no for an answer. This posture of "never compromise" will lead to war with forceful leaders like Trump or proud neighbors like India.
I think the US should give Japan 100 nuclear weapons, then after that, the US should forcibly clear the 9-dashes islands.
Note that China is forcing birth control on all of it's population. Through they do seem to more strictly apply their general law to the Uighurs minority.
I posted that the article misses out on this on another top level post.
This article specifically misses one point. China already has policies wrt. the amount of children (now 2, in the past one) and sterilization of woman had been a common thing in especially rural china since years. Through some minorities where excluded from this rules. But this means that this is indeed in line with chines law independent of any minorities. Through it's most likely a discriminatory selective application of the law. Enforcing it much stricter against Uighurs than anyone else.
Copied from my other post. I don't want to intermix two different aspects of discussion.
I am no fan of China, but people on the West want sustainable growth, jobs in local countries with strong IP protections (no outsourcing or even manufacturing outside if possible), carbon footprint to be reduced by developing countries with a fraction of per capita income as them and who historically did not put much into the atmosphere (i know China is the biggest polluter but it manufactures for the entire world and does have a high population and historical per capita emissions are low) on one hand ...
...and on the other hand they do not allow the universal applications of a rule to the entire country crying genocide without any nuance, historical analysis etc.
Muslim fertility rate and child bearing ages(compared to overall population) are very high in India too and if India brings a population control bill for the entire country in the future i guess similar narratives will be created.
The same people will go on online forums and then talk about 'street shitter' memes and why countries without basic sanitation access should not pursue space dreams etc.
I mean it is very reasonable to limit family to 2 kids (replacement fertility level) today, increasing life expectancies do not help the economics either.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 24.5 ms ] threadIt's not even that much about the situation about Uighurs but more about aspects like:
- The propaganda they use.
- The way they don't care about human live and dignity.
- The way they slowly bit by bit make military (and non military) advances. (Germany bit by bit broke many restrictions imposed on it and the world didn't act because they had other problems, and non of the steps by itself where "to big". Take a look at recent Chinese military and "cyber" actions).
- And very important the sometimes subtle but always present nationalist, fascism and generally reasoning that violence (sometimes even genocide) is ok if it's for the "right" reason you find in close to all Chinese wuxia novels (~= read fantasy youth novels) (from my experience), movies (from my dads experience) and probably other entertainment material.
The last point plus propaganda can easily create a mindset over some generations which is open for pointless war and war crimes, including genocide, if its for revenge and defeats the enemy for good. The problem is that such a thing can easily lead to a vicious cycle of radicalization. And tbh. I wouldn't be surprised if many people making decisions about the Uighurs would also be fine with genocide, it's just not necessary as they can make their culture disappeare without it which is a much more politically efficient method.
I really hope I'm completely wrong about this.
EDIT: Removed PS see my other post about some parts the article misses, maybe intentionally.
Yes, there are strong similarities between dictatorships in general.
China was thought of as inward-focused and benign until recently. However their goal of having a navy as large as the US and their behavior in the 9-dashes area has changed that.
The Belt-and-Road initiative is a thinly-veiled attempt to colonize weak countries economically.
The corona pandemic has made the world aware of behavior that was previously downplayed.
But what will cause extreme friction with other countries is China's refusal to ever accept no for an answer. This posture of "never compromise" will lead to war with forceful leaders like Trump or proud neighbors like India.
I think the US should give Japan 100 nuclear weapons, then after that, the US should forcibly clear the 9-dashes islands.
China forcing birth control on Uighurs to suppress population, report says
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713
I posted that the article misses out on this on another top level post.
Copied from my other post. I don't want to intermix two different aspects of discussion.
...and on the other hand they do not allow the universal applications of a rule to the entire country crying genocide without any nuance, historical analysis etc.
Muslim fertility rate and child bearing ages(compared to overall population) are very high in India too and if India brings a population control bill for the entire country in the future i guess similar narratives will be created.
The same people will go on online forums and then talk about 'street shitter' memes and why countries without basic sanitation access should not pursue space dreams etc.
I mean it is very reasonable to limit family to 2 kids (replacement fertility level) today, increasing life expectancies do not help the economics either.