Suicide is sad and tragic. That said, calling this "murder" is gross hyperbole and very selfish. How is the person speaking for the dead qualified to make this accusation? Where does the line of personal responsibility begin? If every grievance in one's life can be blamed on others, then we will all end up executed by those who would cast judgment. By the author's logic, it's not a stretch to call every suicide "murder."
To the author: Yes, it is different than murder. Murder is when one person kills another knowingly and maliciously. Bullying and harassment, no matter how disgusting, is not murder. Close, yes, perhaps, but still undeserving of the hyperbole.
This is not to say those harassing and bullying (if that did happen; I have not looked into the author's claims, nor do I follow the BSNES/Higan community) should not be held to account.
As a culture, we must fight against this tide of hyperbole in every argument and every disagreement. It leads to one thing and one thing only: violence. We don't need to fracture society further by casting everyone who does bad things as a "terrorist." There are spectrums of crime and punishment; it's not binary.
> How is the person speaking for the dead qualified to make this accusation?
How are you? You clearly assert this isn't murder. Convincing someone to commit suicide has at least garnered a manslaughter charge in the US.
edit: I also fall squarely in the "this is murder" side of this. This isn't even close to the first time KiwiFarms has done this - there is obvious intent, they seek people out to harass who are unstable, repeatedly. If you directly aim to kill someone, and your actions lead to their death, that is murder - a knife or a gun or doxxing as the weapon isn't relevant.
Right, but that's my point: manslaughter is not murder, not are harassing and bullying considered murder. Obviously this is jurisdiction dependent, and some countries may actually consider it so. Regardless, my opinion is more colloquial in nature. I didn't intent to reference legal definitions when I opined about what murder is and isn't.
Everyone is free to hold their own opinion, of course. That should go without saying.
> Everyone is free to hold their own opinion, of course.
How convenient! Thanks for letting us all know, after you felt the need to respond to the announcement of someone's death, from a friend, that you didn't like their language!
You could have made your argument in a less callous/thoughtless/disrespectful manner.
Personally I think intent is the difference between the words murder versus manslaughter.
If the intent of the people harassing Near was to cause their death, that fits my personal non-legal definition of murder.
Legally or technically, perhaps you are correct, but the common usage of words doesn't always fit the autistically literal meaning. Edit: also if looks like this happened in Japan, so the legal definition of 殺人 might be different from your assumptions.
I think you might be assuming my feelings on the topic. I've never met Near in person, so I can't speak one way or the other about them in that regard. I have used several of their emulators, though. Overall I thought the emulators were amazing.
There's no need to direct your anger toward me. I'm responding to the author's specific use of terminology that I find hyperbolic. There's nothing wrong with that, nor does it diminish Near's contributions or his personal value or qualities.
There is plenty of reason to direct anger at you. You are talking dismissively about something you, by your own admission, know nothing about. Something that has now caused the death of not one person, but several.
You very seriously need to get right out of this conversation with your semantic arguments. They have zero relevance or place here, and they are distracting from and justifying utterly despicable behaviour. You may not mean to do that, but in practice that is what you are doing, and you need to stop doing it right now.
Okay great, can you give confirmation of his identity and death? If he's dead then it can do no harm. Let's put a name to his accomplishments as well as this crime. Otherwise all we have are hollow accusations being thrown around.
Before you get all high and mighty, just keep in mind that even though you claim to have known the man but none of us did. I'm just asking for something solid so we can have actual confirmation. You can't punish someone for murder without first proving that a murder took place. If the suicide took place days ago, it should be simple to confirm.
After seeing the kiwi forums before the attack, I can only say one thing. Just find the identities of all the users, pour gasoline over them and light a match.
Shit like them should never be allowed to exist ever. They are the ones we should just kill with no remorse whatsoever, scum of the planet. Hope all of them die an agonizing death.
It cannot be overstated enough that in the U.S. we seem to be absolving ourselves of personal responsibility to our great detriment. Many in the news media glorify victimhood, and our politicians are now often busy enshrining victimhood into law.
It is sad that people are so hopeless and violent that they could perform such heinous acts as bullying and suicide. I believe teaching people about personal responibility and the value of taking responsibility for everything possible in one's life, including others, could negate much tragedy.
What the fuck "personal responsibility" would stop a fucking hateful mob from coming after you, every day of ever year of your life?
What fucking personal responsibility would fix that? Would fi the deep, deep despair in your soul it creates, that drives you take your own life to escape it?
Where the fuck do you get off suggesting "personal responsibility" is the problem when an entire site is dedicated to ruining people's lives and driving them to suicide, and then cheering when that happens?
My opinion on the root cause is the opposite. We have developed a cult of what we call "personal responsibility", where many people find it acceptable to push someone toward death as long as you only do it using words, "for the lols", etc. Because it's their responsibility to, as insane as it sounds, simply not be affected! We've adopted a "I'm not touching you!" attitude toward adult interaction and morality. We have a real, growing cultural sickness rooted in emotional retardation and hatred. And to be clear, this hatred is a dangerous combination of petty and murderous, meaning: It's petty enough to be based on trivial things like "Are you affected at all by being provoked/bullied? Do you not fit our definition of 'normal' in any way?"; and yet despite that, it's serious enough to be murderous in its intent. Death, harm, or breakdown is the happiest result for these people.
We have a comment in this very HN thread that says, with no editorializing, that what KiwiFarms does is just "gossip".
It’s probably best to address concerns about hyberole and the increasing contrast of language in a neutral forum - for example a blog post unconnected with any particular recent event.
The grieving don’t care for the topic and it comes across as callous, however well intended or correct you may be.
As a culture perhaps we should fight against the type of negativity and hate that kiwifarms revels in. We should be saying that sort of behaviour is not ok and the people that undertake it are a real problem, whatever label you apply to them.
Let's start with the negativity and hate that Twitter and Facebook revel in, first. If you want to solve the problem, let's start with the biggest offenders.
They won't, they actually just want a monopoly on the harassment and negativity. They're either pretending or they have a serious case of cognitive dissonance.
Very weird that the "harmful people should be banned" crowds ALWAYS makes an exception for self-admitted pedophiles. It just goes to show that those clout-chasing liars don't care about making communities safer, they're harmful sadists who want to control and manipulate others so that they can freely abuse people themselves.
I hadn't heard of Kiwi Farms before but just spent a few minutes browsing through some recent posts and wow - it really is a toxic wastedump. Their Wikipedia page really sums it up well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms
They used to be neutral so it would not have been an issue in the past. Once they started dropping right-wing hate sites though, they pretty much said they do make moral/value judgements/decisions about who is allowed on their service. Therefore anyone they allow to use their service has de facto support of cloudflare.
They gain my respect when they act like a network operator should not passing judgement in anyway on the traffic on there network.
People have forgotten the tenants of free speech, or perhaps it value. I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
There is also another side to this story. In my experience, KiwiFarms is a low-brow website but at the end of the day all they are really guilty of is gossiping about people. I would caution against validating somebody's attempt to use suicide as a way of shutting down their critics.
One could provide an overly-reductionist definition of nearly anything to make it sound innocuous. "Gossiping" in this case goes so far as to be incorrect. The post goes into detail on this and says that they targeted Near and the people close to them by doxxing them, harassing them, and specifically seeking out people they thought that they could convince to commit suicide. Gossiping is "rumor or talk of a personal, sensational, or intimate nature." This is a targeted campaign of harassment.
Most would agree that someone who verbally and mentally abuses their spouse to the point of suicide is responsible for their death, or at least played a significant role in bringing it about.
This is not a matter where somebody took their own life to make the point that their opinion is superior to their critics. This is a matter where people sought out and abused someone in an emotionally vulnerable state that saw suicide as their only way to escape from that abuse.
It's harsh but there's nothing there that constitutes harassment. It's more like "open source intel." All they do is aggregate things that this person of interest willfully posted online. You can call it "doxxing" but doxxing isn't illegal or even unethical, really. It's just people discussing the reputation that this individual built for themselves.
Ignoring your deliberate misgendering of a nonbinary person, they didn't get to keep their job and income. They also permanently lost both of those (and all future potential for those), along with their life.
If you're going to make bad faith comparisons to racists getting fired for being racists, at least have the audacity to point out what you think their offense was here. As far as I can tell, the only thing they did "wrong" was to be emotionally vulnerable and in the sights of a dedicated hate group.
If you've looked at the thread archive, it shows that the guy was harassed for his pedophilia. So kudos to you for dying on that hill since it shows that your commitment to keeping "communities safe" is a farce.
Additionally, he had $120k while living in Japan and was able to afford medication. He was well off and wealthy.
Byuu had a twitter account called "Myuu" which was full of furry art and lewd imagery that alluded not to adult characters, but underage looking "cub" characters. Byuu's furry persona was of an underage-looking "wolf dragon" character, that wore diapers and used pacifiers.
Along with Byuu's personal interest in using underage-looking characters for his own use, he also took the time to make a giant argument about the semantics and legality of lolicon and shotacon, which also is archived here.
If he was indeed harassed to suicide would this hold in court though?
Taking justice into your own hands is dodgy business. A guy has died. Will there or will there not be consequences? Was his sick fuckery worth it to ruin the lives of whoever contacted him? Because this may very well result in that
Why are you validating what this nutcase is saying? He is lying and smearing, and also doesn't care about pedophilia. I guarantee you him and kiwifarmers are all into depraved shit when no one else is looking.
They just see Byuu as a vulnerable guy, and that is why they attack this person, because they are frustrated low-status men who attack other men they see as vulnerable or weaker.
Understand their actual motivation and reject them completely.
You seriously can not tell from that image that Byuu was a pedophile. You might as well say that anyone who posts chibi anime characters is a pedophile. The truth could simply be that Byuu liked that image for its cuteness.
And frankly you don't care about pedophilia, you are just hunting for low-status or vulnerable men. I don't see you nutcases going after girls into yaoi or romance novels that are filled with exploitation of child characters.
Oh look, you are a deranged nutcase using the pedophile smear.
Want to hunt and destroy some guy out of frustration, and without legal permission? Just say "he's a pedophile!". Oldest trick in the book.
You really don't care about children. Let's be real here. You are a frustrated low-status man who is seeking other men who are low-status or vulnerable to destroy. That's all you are.
Kiwifarms harasses people, in groups, for long periods of time. They do this for their own entertainment. When their targets kill themselves to escape this harassment, *they fucking cheer for it*.
How the fuck are you sitting here defending and minimising this?
This is such a lie. Anyone who peeked at Byuu’s thread yesterday when the news dropped would instantly run into replies practically excited over it, there’s plenty of screenshots to go through being posted on Twitter before the DDOS. You can try to minimize the language being used here all you want, the intent is clear.
Did you make an account here just to make this comment?
The collection of users on KF doesn't mean shit. The OWNER of the site himself didn't want the man to possibly off himself, let alone the fact that said owner (Null) was willing to work with Byuu.
Again, Byuu tried to extort Null. You don't just say "I'll give you any amount of my 120,000 in life savings, but if you don't accept my offer then I'll do something drastic!"
And oh look, he did, and he's probably lying about his "suicide" too which is even worse.
This is derangement. Byuu spent all of their time maybe ‘poorly’ dealing with harassment along with being a huge contribution to emulation circles, you’re equating cancel culture to them for what reason? Because they didn’t say anything about your favorite conservatives? This logic goes nowhere and so there’s simply no discussion to get out of this. God knows how many social or financial conservatives are on this site and still no one believes you.
I’ve seen the thread myself, this was not gossip and you guys do not act as moral arbiters just because one end of ‘cancel culture’ didn’t harass a key developer in emulation just because they were transgender. I’m not even going to entertain the ‘pedophilia’ claim. You people aren’t fooling anyone here, you can’t even fool /vr/.
Unlike you, they aren't self-unaware hypocrites who constantly harass others only to whine when it's done to them. You're doing them a favor because they don't need your respect.
You're willing to dismiss his problematic views (pedophilia) because of his contributions to the gaming community? Funny how that never applies to the FNAF dev when he gave $2k to a milquetoast republican politicians.
As with all of you people, you deny your bad actions while exaggerating and lying about your opposition. The archives show that he (labeled himself with those pronouns) was never targeted for being trans, he was targeted for pedophilia.
I’m willing to dismiss their “problematic views” because the only “problematic views” they were harassed for in that thread was being “a troon” and “extorting” Null, and now that all hell broke loose, they’re suddenly a “Pedophile”. You can name all the victims of ‘cancel culture’ that I don’t know of, it doesn’t change anything here. You guys harassed them and cheered when you were blamed and now you’re justifying it. You’re no better.
Kiwi is back up, you might as well give up on this account and head back now because this is not the hugbox you expect it to be.
You guys also cheered on Zoe Quinn during the Gamergate bullshit. Alex Holowka is dead because of Zoe Quinn and the mob she riled up to go after him. The only "proof" that anyone had was just Quinn saying "Yeah I don't like him and he did stuff to me!" Y'all cheered on a woman who made an innocent man kill himself.
What about the millions of Redditors who caused a man to kill himself because they doxxed him and made people think he was one of the Boston bombers? Again, you people gatekeep and point fingers at anything that goes against the grain. It's ridiculous.
Byuu is a pedophile, the proof is right fucking there, we've known this before 2020. Why the hell do you people do this bullshit? Have some compassion for ALL people, not just the people who agree with your same political bullshit.
Who’s “you all?” Do you have a thread of people on Hacker News, contrarian central by the way, ‘cheering’ on Zoe Quinn and Alex’s death or are you cherry picking moments that simply went against your ‘grain’? Is that why you signed up two days ago?
Read between the lines sweetie: You guys harassed Byuu and cheered when you were blamed and now you’re still finding ways to justify it. I’m a grown man sad to see an emulation developer gone. You’re no better than any other harassment hive mind.
I know what a ‘cub’ is and knowing your ilk I wouldn’t be shocked to find 2D teen ahegao porn on your hard drive, if you actually had substantial proof you would have let japanese authorities know. Too late for that though huh
Of course you decry mob harassment when it's aimed at your own side lmao. Whenever you guys collectively harass to fire, dox, and ban people on social media sites and blogs, it's "accountability towards ASsHolEs (gosh)".
Byuu had a 13 page thread on the forum. Byuu participated in this thread. You can read the thread in archives. 13 pages on the Kiwi Farms is an extremely small amount of discussion, especially for a thread as old as Byuu's.
Last year, Byuu said in this thread directly that he was not affected by the thread in any way. You can read the archives.
The document claims that Byuu took his own life. No evidence of this exists. The person claiming to know he has died refuses to elaborate or provide evidence.
The last call with Byuu described in the accusation does not make sense. Consider that this person is supposedly an real life friend of Byuu (when Byuu also claims he had no real life friends), and consider that he did nothing for half an hour, but could remember the call well enough to describe an obscure French metal song playing in the background.
This is a ridiculous story. It does not pass any level of scrutiny and is not told in a way that makes sense.
Byuu has a history of accusing people of stalking and harassing him.
He made a post on his forum (which has since been deleted) accusing a rival emulator developer named Squarepusher from Retroarch of doing the same. A copy of this post is on the internet easy for you to find. https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/byuu1-png.1483458/
There is a claim that Byuu was 'doxed', then harassed in real life. This is also false.
Nobody knows who Byuu is. Even after years, nobody knows his last name. Nobody knows where he lives. Nobody knows where he works. He is completely anonymous and even now it is not possible to do a wellness check on him.
Byuu emailed Null before posting his tweet chain. You can read it here. https://archive.vn/R1oRN
In it, he attempted to exort Null. Byuu claimed that if Null did not delete all information about him on the forum, he would kill himself and blame Null.
He offered Null $120,000 cash. He saw this as a legally and morally dubious offer at best, entrapment at worst, so he declined.
Byuu also offered Null his services helping write software for the Kiwi Farms.
Null told Byuu he would have to consult an attorney regardless. Byuu did not wait even 24 hours after his first email before closing communications and deciding to go through with his plan at 3am Null's time.
In his emails to Null, he promised a trusted friend would deliver a scan of his passport on Twitter within 5 hours of him killing himself as proof. Two days later, we still do not have this passport scan or any evidence he has killed himself besides the testimony of a Twitter user, citing an anoynmous third party.
At least get your information right before going around the internet parroting what twitter freaks are screaming about. KF isn't a "bullying" website. KF doesn't exist to make people kill themselves. Discord has hosted worse, Twitter hosts worse. At least Kiwifarmers do not tolerate pedos or animal fuckers.
Byuu had a 13 page thread on the Farms. Byuu participated in this thread. You can read the thread in archives. 13 pages on the Kiwi Farms is an extremely small amount of discussion, especially for a thread as old as Byuu's. https://archive.vn/MfUhq
Last year, Byuu said in this thread directly that he was not affected by the thread in any way. You can read the archives.
The document claims that Byuu took his own life. No evidence of this exists. The person claiming to know he has died refuses to elaborate or provide evidence.
The last call with Byuu described in the accusation does not make sense. Consider that this person is supposedly an real life friend of Byuu (when Byuu also claims he had no real life friends), and consider that he did nothing for half an hour, but could remember the call well enough to describe an obscure French metal song playing in the background.
This is a ridiculous story. It does not pass any level of scrutiny and is not told in a way that makes sense.
Byuu has a history of accusing people of stalking and harassing him.
He made a post on his forum (which has since been deleted) accusing a rival emulator developer named Squarepusher from Retroarch of doing the same. A copy of this post is on the internet easy for you to find. https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/byuu1-png.1483458/
There is a claim that Byuu was 'doxed', then harassed in real life. This is also false.
Nobody knows who Byuu is. Even after years, nobody knows his last name. Nobody knows where he lives. Nobody knows where he works. He is completely anonymous and even now it is not possible to do a wellness check on him.
Byuu emailed Null before posting his tweet chain. You can read it here. https://archive.vn/R1oRN
In it, he attempted to exort Null. Byuu claimed that if Null did not delete all information about him on the forum, he would kill himself and blame Null.
He offered Null $120,000 cash. He saw this as a legally and morally dubious offer at best, entrapment at worst, so he declined.
Byuu also offered Null his services helping write software for the Kiwi Farms.
Null told Byuu he would have to consult an attorney regardless. Byuu did not wait even 24 hours after his first email before closing communications and deciding to go through with his plan at 3am Null's time.
In his emails to Null, he promised a trusted friend would deliver a scan of his passport on Twitter within 5 hours of him killing himself as proof. Two days later, we still do not have this passport scan or any evidence he has killed himself besides the testimony of a Twitter user, citing an anoynmous third party.
At least get your information right before going around the internet parroting what twitter freaks are screaming about. KF isn't a "bullying" website. KF doesn't exist to make people kill themselves. Discord has hosted worse, Twitter hosts worse right now. At least Kiwifarmers do not tolerate pdophiles or animal rpists.
Bullshit. He was never bullied on site, and it is against the site rules to harass lolcows as well. As a matter of fact, he was even praised in several posts for his skills. I did criticize him as well, but it was about him bloating the fuck out of the Bahamut Lagoon translated ROM. He was criticized for his stupid actions and drama, no personal attacks. If anything, the finger is being pointed at his surroundings, the troons and furries that coerced him into taking some DIY hormones that were made by some gipsy in the back of his busted-ass Yugo. They never thought about contacting the authorities about his condition. It was actually Kiwifarms member that attempted to do something, based on the little information that was available.
And now the troons are probably scalping their hormones to other troons so they can pay for DDoS botnets.
Conservatives get 10x worse harassment than what Byuu received, and they aren't pedophiles like him. Unlike him, they weren't doxed, deplatformed, fired, and debanked for what they put on social media. The same thing happened to Andrew Dodson and August Ames, but I remember that many liberals cheered their suicides instead. I guess their type of bullying and ostracization is acceptable because one instance of assholery is 10x worse than a user constantly expressing his desire to fuck minors.
It's kind of funny to see the same antifa, libs, and left-wing activists cry about others being inhumane monsters though. Rather than using their experience to become better people, they shriek bloody murder when their sadism is inflicted back at them.
Regardless, they harass others all the time on social media outlets like Twitter. He got to keep his income and job despite his pedophilia, whereas others denied those for having less egregious views.
Yeah, nobody actually cares about the guy, they're just using this as another stone to throw at political rivals. Let's first get confirmation of his death. Nothing about this is on the level.
If he is a pedo - provide evidence. Real evidence that he touched some kid not some afgiation for anime or stupid things like that. And quit whining about Twitter or who works or not.
Regardless of his actions, if he was in fact harassed to death this is in fact murder, no matter how guilty the victim is. If you felt he was a threat you should have called the cops, not take it upon yourselves to be some dumbass light yagami rip off.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 129 ms ] threadTo the author: Yes, it is different than murder. Murder is when one person kills another knowingly and maliciously. Bullying and harassment, no matter how disgusting, is not murder. Close, yes, perhaps, but still undeserving of the hyperbole.
This is not to say those harassing and bullying (if that did happen; I have not looked into the author's claims, nor do I follow the BSNES/Higan community) should not be held to account.
As a culture, we must fight against this tide of hyperbole in every argument and every disagreement. It leads to one thing and one thing only: violence. We don't need to fracture society further by casting everyone who does bad things as a "terrorist." There are spectrums of crime and punishment; it's not binary.
How are you? You clearly assert this isn't murder. Convincing someone to commit suicide has at least garnered a manslaughter charge in the US.
edit: I also fall squarely in the "this is murder" side of this. This isn't even close to the first time KiwiFarms has done this - there is obvious intent, they seek people out to harass who are unstable, repeatedly. If you directly aim to kill someone, and your actions lead to their death, that is murder - a knife or a gun or doxxing as the weapon isn't relevant.
Everyone is free to hold their own opinion, of course. That should go without saying.
How convenient! Thanks for letting us all know, after you felt the need to respond to the announcement of someone's death, from a friend, that you didn't like their language!
I'm out.
Personally I think intent is the difference between the words murder versus manslaughter.
If the intent of the people harassing Near was to cause their death, that fits my personal non-legal definition of murder.
Legally or technically, perhaps you are correct, but the common usage of words doesn't always fit the autistically literal meaning. Edit: also if looks like this happened in Japan, so the legal definition of 殺人 might be different from your assumptions.
There's no need to direct your anger toward me. I'm responding to the author's specific use of terminology that I find hyperbolic. There's nothing wrong with that, nor does it diminish Near's contributions or his personal value or qualities.
You very seriously need to get right out of this conversation with your semantic arguments. They have zero relevance or place here, and they are distracting from and justifying utterly despicable behaviour. You may not mean to do that, but in practice that is what you are doing, and you need to stop doing it right now.
You have been told several times now. Stop.
Before you get all high and mighty, just keep in mind that even though you claim to have known the man but none of us did. I'm just asking for something solid so we can have actual confirmation. You can't punish someone for murder without first proving that a murder took place. If the suicide took place days ago, it should be simple to confirm.
Why do people think it's okay to wish death and agony on people that are supposed "sociopaths" or people with "no remorse".
Literally replace "Kiwifarmers" with "trans people", or anything else. You're a sadistic evil dude.
It is sad that people are so hopeless and violent that they could perform such heinous acts as bullying and suicide. I believe teaching people about personal responibility and the value of taking responsibility for everything possible in one's life, including others, could negate much tragedy.
What fucking personal responsibility would fix that? Would fi the deep, deep despair in your soul it creates, that drives you take your own life to escape it?
Where the fuck do you get off suggesting "personal responsibility" is the problem when an entire site is dedicated to ruining people's lives and driving them to suicide, and then cheering when that happens?
We have a comment in this very HN thread that says, with no editorializing, that what KiwiFarms does is just "gossip".
The grieving don’t care for the topic and it comes across as callous, however well intended or correct you may be.
Very weird that the "harmful people should be banned" crowds ALWAYS makes an exception for self-admitted pedophiles. It just goes to show that those clout-chasing liars don't care about making communities safer, they're harmful sadists who want to control and manipulate others so that they can freely abuse people themselves.
Perhaps you shouldn't be trying to "both sides" this, then.
Is Cloudflare seriously hosting them? Just lost so much respect for that company if so.
So yes they lose my respect too.
People have forgotten the tenants of free speech, or perhaps it value. I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Most would agree that someone who verbally and mentally abuses their spouse to the point of suicide is responsible for their death, or at least played a significant role in bringing it about.
This is not a matter where somebody took their own life to make the point that their opinion is superior to their critics. This is a matter where people sought out and abused someone in an emotionally vulnerable state that saw suicide as their only way to escape from that abuse.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
It's harsh but there's nothing there that constitutes harassment. It's more like "open source intel." All they do is aggregate things that this person of interest willfully posted online. You can call it "doxxing" but doxxing isn't illegal or even unethical, really. It's just people discussing the reputation that this individual built for themselves.
If you're going to make bad faith comparisons to racists getting fired for being racists, at least have the audacity to point out what you think their offense was here. As far as I can tell, the only thing they did "wrong" was to be emotionally vulnerable and in the sights of a dedicated hate group.
Additionally, he had $120k while living in Japan and was able to afford medication. He was well off and wealthy.
https://archive.vn/MfUhq/f17247180a8722bcd4da98324db1b573ef6...
Along with Byuu's personal interest in using underage-looking characters for his own use, he also took the time to make a giant argument about the semantics and legality of lolicon and shotacon, which also is archived here.
https://archive.fo/Jxrl8
If he was indeed harassed to suicide would this hold in court though?
Taking justice into your own hands is dodgy business. A guy has died. Will there or will there not be consequences? Was his sick fuckery worth it to ruin the lives of whoever contacted him? Because this may very well result in that
They just see Byuu as a vulnerable guy, and that is why they attack this person, because they are frustrated low-status men who attack other men they see as vulnerable or weaker.
Understand their actual motivation and reject them completely.
And frankly you don't care about pedophilia, you are just hunting for low-status or vulnerable men. I don't see you nutcases going after girls into yaoi or romance novels that are filled with exploitation of child characters.
Hit the road, nutcase.
Want to hunt and destroy some guy out of frustration, and without legal permission? Just say "he's a pedophile!". Oldest trick in the book.
You really don't care about children. Let's be real here. You are a frustrated low-status man who is seeking other men who are low-status or vulnerable to destroy. That's all you are.
Nutcases like you are beyond the pale.
Kiwifarms harasses people, in groups, for long periods of time. They do this for their own entertainment. When their targets kill themselves to escape this harassment, *they fucking cheer for it*.
How the fuck are you sitting here defending and minimising this?
Did you make an account here just to make this comment?
Again, Byuu tried to extort Null. You don't just say "I'll give you any amount of my 120,000 in life savings, but if you don't accept my offer then I'll do something drastic!"
And oh look, he did, and he's probably lying about his "suicide" too which is even worse.
None of you have an issue with harassment, you have an issue when someone dares to gossip about people from your clique.
I’ve seen the thread myself, this was not gossip and you guys do not act as moral arbiters just because one end of ‘cancel culture’ didn’t harass a key developer in emulation just because they were transgender. I’m not even going to entertain the ‘pedophilia’ claim. You people aren’t fooling anyone here, you can’t even fool /vr/.
As with all of you people, you deny your bad actions while exaggerating and lying about your opposition. The archives show that he (labeled himself with those pronouns) was never targeted for being trans, he was targeted for pedophilia.
Kiwi is back up, you might as well give up on this account and head back now because this is not the hugbox you expect it to be.
What about the millions of Redditors who caused a man to kill himself because they doxxed him and made people think he was one of the Boston bombers? Again, you people gatekeep and point fingers at anything that goes against the grain. It's ridiculous.
Byuu is a pedophile, the proof is right fucking there, we've known this before 2020. Why the hell do you people do this bullshit? Have some compassion for ALL people, not just the people who agree with your same political bullshit.
Read between the lines sweetie: You guys harassed Byuu and cheered when you were blamed and now you’re still finding ways to justify it. I’m a grown man sad to see an emulation developer gone. You’re no better than any other harassment hive mind.
I know what a ‘cub’ is and knowing your ilk I wouldn’t be shocked to find 2D teen ahegao porn on your hard drive, if you actually had substantial proof you would have let japanese authorities know. Too late for that though huh
Last year, Byuu said in this thread directly that he was not affected by the thread in any way. You can read the archives.
The document claims that Byuu took his own life. No evidence of this exists. The person claiming to know he has died refuses to elaborate or provide evidence.
The last call with Byuu described in the accusation does not make sense. Consider that this person is supposedly an real life friend of Byuu (when Byuu also claims he had no real life friends), and consider that he did nothing for half an hour, but could remember the call well enough to describe an obscure French metal song playing in the background.
This is a ridiculous story. It does not pass any level of scrutiny and is not told in a way that makes sense.
Byuu has a history of accusing people of stalking and harassing him.
He made a post on his forum (which has since been deleted) accusing a rival emulator developer named Squarepusher from Retroarch of doing the same. A copy of this post is on the internet easy for you to find. https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/byuu1-png.1483458/
There is a claim that Byuu was 'doxed', then harassed in real life. This is also false.
Nobody knows who Byuu is. Even after years, nobody knows his last name. Nobody knows where he lives. Nobody knows where he works. He is completely anonymous and even now it is not possible to do a wellness check on him.
Byuu emailed Null before posting his tweet chain. You can read it here. https://archive.vn/R1oRN
In it, he attempted to exort Null. Byuu claimed that if Null did not delete all information about him on the forum, he would kill himself and blame Null.
He offered Null $120,000 cash. He saw this as a legally and morally dubious offer at best, entrapment at worst, so he declined.
Byuu also offered Null his services helping write software for the Kiwi Farms.
Null told Byuu he would have to consult an attorney regardless. Byuu did not wait even 24 hours after his first email before closing communications and deciding to go through with his plan at 3am Null's time.
In his emails to Null, he promised a trusted friend would deliver a scan of his passport on Twitter within 5 hours of him killing himself as proof. Two days later, we still do not have this passport scan or any evidence he has killed himself besides the testimony of a Twitter user, citing an anoynmous third party.
At least get your information right before going around the internet parroting what twitter freaks are screaming about. KF isn't a "bullying" website. KF doesn't exist to make people kill themselves. Discord has hosted worse, Twitter hosts worse. At least Kiwifarmers do not tolerate pedos or animal fuckers.
Last year, Byuu said in this thread directly that he was not affected by the thread in any way. You can read the archives.
The document claims that Byuu took his own life. No evidence of this exists. The person claiming to know he has died refuses to elaborate or provide evidence.
The last call with Byuu described in the accusation does not make sense. Consider that this person is supposedly an real life friend of Byuu (when Byuu also claims he had no real life friends), and consider that he did nothing for half an hour, but could remember the call well enough to describe an obscure French metal song playing in the background.
This is a ridiculous story. It does not pass any level of scrutiny and is not told in a way that makes sense.
Byuu has a history of accusing people of stalking and harassing him.
He made a post on his forum (which has since been deleted) accusing a rival emulator developer named Squarepusher from Retroarch of doing the same. A copy of this post is on the internet easy for you to find. https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/byuu1-png.1483458/
There is a claim that Byuu was 'doxed', then harassed in real life. This is also false.
Nobody knows who Byuu is. Even after years, nobody knows his last name. Nobody knows where he lives. Nobody knows where he works. He is completely anonymous and even now it is not possible to do a wellness check on him.
Byuu emailed Null before posting his tweet chain. You can read it here. https://archive.vn/R1oRN
In it, he attempted to exort Null. Byuu claimed that if Null did not delete all information about him on the forum, he would kill himself and blame Null.
He offered Null $120,000 cash. He saw this as a legally and morally dubious offer at best, entrapment at worst, so he declined.
Byuu also offered Null his services helping write software for the Kiwi Farms.
Null told Byuu he would have to consult an attorney regardless. Byuu did not wait even 24 hours after his first email before closing communications and deciding to go through with his plan at 3am Null's time.
In his emails to Null, he promised a trusted friend would deliver a scan of his passport on Twitter within 5 hours of him killing himself as proof. Two days later, we still do not have this passport scan or any evidence he has killed himself besides the testimony of a Twitter user, citing an anoynmous third party.
At least get your information right before going around the internet parroting what twitter freaks are screaming about. KF isn't a "bullying" website. KF doesn't exist to make people kill themselves. Discord has hosted worse, Twitter hosts worse right now. At least Kiwifarmers do not tolerate pdophiles or animal rpists.
It's kind of funny to see the same antifa, libs, and left-wing activists cry about others being inhumane monsters though. Rather than using their experience to become better people, they shriek bloody murder when their sadism is inflicted back at them.
Regardless of his actions, if he was in fact harassed to death this is in fact murder, no matter how guilty the victim is. If you felt he was a threat you should have called the cops, not take it upon yourselves to be some dumbass light yagami rip off.