From the headline alone: the "physics we don't understand" part only really makes sense if you assume the things you see on camera correspond to physical objects moving in space, and not some optical effect. If you thought a lens flare was a physical object you'd think it was "physics we don't understand", but the effect itself is perfectly explainable using physics we understand.
The DNI's UFO report clarifies that these objects were observed with multiple sensors and spotted by eyewitness. If you see something with radar, on the camera, you pick it up with the electro-optical system, and you and a few other folks see it with your eyes, then it is probably not a lens-flare.
The DNI concluded that the UFO's are likely physical things.
I don't see it saying that. Some objects were seen on camera. Others were on radar. I see no report of an object being on both radar and visual (or other spectra) simultaneously. And they certainly have not released any actual raw data in that regard. Not any raw data full stop (ie no camera original images).
A multi-sensor confirmation would show identical simultaneous movements across different sensors and platforms. Everything short of that is probably explainable due to the specific limitations of individual sensors.
The second bullet point of the executive summary on page 3 of the PDF.
"Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared,
electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation"
Page 4 of the PDF, first bullet point:
"144 reports originated from USG sources. Of these, 80 reports involved observation with multiple sensors."
Ya. Not simultaneously detected. These are days where one sensor sees something, then another sensor sees another thing, then a pilot goes up looking and sees something else. That is not confirmation. Multiple sensors seeing things in sequence, not all seeing the same thing at the same time. Once the word gets out, everyone starts finding things on their screens to report.
Appendix A defines a "UAP event" as "A holistic description of an occurrence during which a pilot or aircrew witnessed
(or detected) a UAP." And "UAP Report" is the documentation for a UAP event. The DNI document says that 80 UAP reports have confirmation from multiple sensors.
The UAP event spans the time where a pilot or aircrew witnessed the UAP. During this time the UAP was confirmed by multiple sensors.
There is no language in the report to make it seem like the "confirmation" happened at different times or on different days. If that is what is meant, then the report is very misleading, but I don't think that is what is meant. What language from the report leads you to this interpretation?
Then where is that data? All I have ever seen of "confirmed" sightings is stories and descriptions. Let's see the radar tracks. Let's see the exact camera locations and specifications along with raw images. Let's see the overhead satellite images. Let's see the ship camera footage. Funny how we never get more than an occasional tidbit of the actual data.
A group looking to keep their paychecks throws out a flimsy, unsubstantiated one-liner. When it comes to light that the statement was made by misrepresenting the data (which is still secret), what then? Nothing. They got their paychecks and made an honest mistake. Everyone moves on.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far the only thing that about this report has been how much hot air they can blow out of a human ass.
The Pentagon released a preliminary report [1] two weeks ago stating that UAPs (their term for UFOs) are physical objects and demonstrate advanced capabilities that the US Navy cannot explain.
Because it is extremely uncritical of the subject. Any reputable scientist would simply tell that there is simply not enough reliable data to draw conclusions about these phenomena.
I'd not heard of these before but that sure does sound like it could be what those military videos are showing and I have to agree that it's likely "the most plausible explanation" I've heard yet.
That would not explain the accounts from the Navy pilots that made visual contact with some of these objects such as USS Nimitz and the 'Tic Tac' UAP. Also from the Forbes article you posted:
>It is unlikely the Pentagon would release videos of their own secret weapon in a bizarre double bluff. But other nations may have their own version. In the early 1990s the Russians claimed that they could produce glowing ‘plasmoids’ at high altitude using high-power microwave or laser beams; these were intended to disrupt the flight of ballistic missiles, an answer to the planned American ‘Star Wars’. Nothing came of the project, but the technology may have been refined for other applications in the subsequent decades.
And I would agree that the Navy wouldn't risk causing an indecent by surreptitiously testing secret technology on it's own ships, especially near areas with civilian air traffic.
Could it be a foreign nation deploying a similar technology? Also highly doubtful. This would require a foreign military to either regularly sail ships or fly into US waters or very close to it, emit these plasma lasers for extended periods of time and sail/fly out undetected. The laser induced plasma effects theory would have to account for this somehow to be viable.
Check out the interviews with the pilots from the Nimitz encounter. Multiple pilots made visual contact with a 40ft long craft. The first pilot observed the object hovering approximately 50ft above the water, causing the water to churn below it.
It doesn't say that. It says it was a submerged object that caused the water to churn:
> To summarize Fravor’s eyewitness account to the New York Times, the pilot reported seeing a large submerged object that was causing the ocean to churn. Hovering about 50 feet above that churn, the 40-foot Tic Tac zipped erratically around the submerged object.
There is no place without civilian traffic. If you fly from the east into the Bay Area you can look out the left window and see Groom Lake if you know what to look for.
Look at any airspace map of the California coast and it is littered with test and training areas:
Not to mention a missiles launching from Vandenburg.
It’s not even surreptitious. San Nicholas island is exactly right there: “island is currently controlled by the United States Navy and is used as a weapons testing and training facility,”
I mean we just recently had Trump tweet out a satellite photo that amazed civilian experts that such fidelity is even possible, let alone already deployed so I think you’re spot on.
While irrelevant to the topic at hand - with the recent info of Trump's daughter literally sitting in the Kremlin's chair, Trump tweeting that picture was likely his hilarious way of getting one of the US's best spies murdered...
Also, keyhole fidelity has been known of for a very long time now. Any civilian expert amazed by that picture not only isn't an expert, but also has you hilariously duped.
I really do not understand the stigma behind UFOs. There is evidence of sightings for millennia all over the world, even before the invention of aircraft.
Simply replace "UFO" with "hallucinations" and you might understand the stigma. "Hallucinations" have been reported for millennia, that doesn't mean I want someone who sees things that aren't there flying my plane.
When I was in Civil Air Patrol in the 1980s, in Truckee California (Lake Tahoe) - we were doing marching exercises at our HQ at Truckee Airport, ~7PM or so...
We saw an object way off in the distance, on the other side of the mountain-line shoot straight up from behind the mountains.
We stopped to watch it, and our Commander was a former mechanic on the SR-71, so we asked him what it was.... It was back-lit by a full moon at the time and perfectly clear skies.
He mumbled "im not sure yet..."
And within literally 2 seconds - the craft was hovering directly above us. It was the typical TR-3B type design, triangle with lights at the corners and one in the middle.
However this thing was MASSIVE.
It was larger than two of the Hangar rows at the airport, was hovering about 50 feet above us, 100% silent, and it slowly rotated a few degrees counter-clockwise as we watched it.
Our Commander quickly ushered us inside "EVERYONE INSIDE NOW!"
and we all scurried to get back to our office hangar...
He would never speak of the incident. But to this day, I will never forget the image of that thing floating above us, and just how immense this thing was.
I don't know, I doubt it - he was a survivalist recluse. He had three kids that were all homeschooled - and he was an off-grid-living person who lived in the woods on his homestead and his kids were "odd"....
They are not very tall. But also - this was 1988 and I was 14 years old, so my sense of scale could be off, but the thing was immense - and hovering just above me...
I'm not sure I agree with his assessment that if it was near peer they wouldn't cagy about it, if it's genuinely paradigm shifting technology that has real world socioeconomic consequences, I can think of a lot of reasons for caginess.
I somewhat disagree with that comment. It’s mostly reasonable, except there are other explanations for why they only show up over training exercises.
First of all, these training exercises have the highest concentration of military-grade sensors in the world. In the history of the world. And I don’t mean that in the cliche way that military-grade sensors are good per se. Just that civilian sensors designed to detect hiding aircraft don’t really exist.
And you only get these concentrations in training exercises because the world’s most cutting edge military hasn’t had a war against a technologically advanced opponent in decades. Decades during which those sensors have become increasingly sensitive and networked with a greater quantity of supplementary data sources and somewhat complex algorithms for blending data from many sensors. All of which means of course it’s a military detection, and of course it’s a training exercise (DOD would also almost certainly not release operational information, even in summary, so we can safely assume any detections in an operational environment remain classified).
Eh… disagree there. There are far more and better sensors around any city. All kinds of civilian and research sensors, not to mention millions of eyeballs, ears, and cellphone cameras.
Believe it or not most eyeballs and cell phone cameras are not focused 10s of thousands of feet above the surface. It is kind of the same phenomenon of how dogs chase squierls when the first notice them on the ground but not in the trees.
I watched about a 1/3 of that when you posted it before, and just finished it after being reminded by your comment.
The part that really stood out, and that I'd missed last time, was him saying that these observations by military pilots were all within military zones on both coasts.
That kinda does make the secret military program assumption more likely. That's not to say they haven't been testing that tech elsewhere, but it does make sense they'd do that. Certainly more than aliens doing it for shits and giggles.
Maybe it's some secret development plan started in the 80s and finally something good began to come out during the early 2000s. We might be able to see a prototype in the next decade.
Just in the last few weeks I have seen genuine photos of a boat floating in the sky [1] and an eye of fire in the sea [2]. So some blip on some screen...
Or maybe this is technology transfer from ETs to us. We already have seen the consequences of technology transfer from us to less intelligent life forms. It didn't turn out so well ;)
Yeah I think this is the most credible explanation. Especially when the under secretary himself "leaked" the stuffs. Those people never do these kinds of things without a political objective. Those people are political animals.
I think it's a semantic misunderstanding. In the original question "object" was meant as a "physical object", as opposed to a kind of phenomenon like reflection and so on. You have used a more philosophical definition of subject-object dichotomy.
On an unrelated note, I've seen a couple of books whose authors claim UFOs are actually subject-related phenomena.
The mission of SpaceX is basically to create a breakaway civilization. Since there’s not enough reaction mass on earth to bring even a fraction of the human population into orbit, it was never about democratizing space. It’s about giving billionaires a safe place to ride out the fall of civilization far from the hands of any potential adversary.
> Since there’s not enough reaction mass on earth to bring even a fraction of the human population into orbit
Napkin math to disprove this claim:
7,000,000,000 people * 100kg = 700,000,000 tonnes = 7 million launches of starship * 5000t propellant per launch = 35 billion tonnes of propellant (approx 1/4 natural gas, 3/4 oxygen)
Annual natural gas consumption in the US is 34 trillion cubic feet, which is about 800,000,000t. So about ten years would be 8 billion tonnes of natural gas (32 billion tonnes of propellant once you add oxygen)
So excluding things like keeping your payload alive and breathing, the US generates enough natural gas to launch one tenth of the world population into orbit every year.
You are comparing a Breakaway Civ to launching the CURRENT equivalant of humans into space??
WTF.
So - please rebuild your maths: global population from1930... - then adjust for Germany from ~1930 until ~1950. normalize by USA 1950 pop... then calc missing persons reports since...
The INPUTs are MANY and your model is flawed. Youre misinformed...
I've been rewatching the X-Files with my kid on Disney+ and, wow, the restoration is amazing. It looks wonderful in 4K. It has brought new life for me as I originally watched it on an analogue broadcast or VHS recording of!
8 I would say is a bit early, there is some pretty gory scenes, and adult themes like "working girls" you might not want to be explaining in detail. I would say 10-12, mine is in the middle.
Although I had to laugh at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewalker_(The_X-Files) which is about a contagious alien(?) virus which I remember being super scary. The whole idea of viruses, pandemics and quarantine didn't really phase the kids at all. How times have changed.
Wow, I was crazily into X-Files back in early 2000s (was in another country so didn't hear about it until then) and watched pretty much every episode many times.
I think Episode 4~6 are the pinnacle of the series, but the rest are not bad. How old is your kid?
Imagine some gorillas deep somewhere in the jungle pointing at the Jeep the naturalists have driven up in.
ape #1: You see that thing, holy crap what is it?
ape #2: Oh yeah, that's just a bunch of rocks.
ape #1: But, it moved!!!
ape #2: Must be some animal from another part of the forest.
ape #1: I've seen it move faster than any other animal in the forest!
ape #2: You've been eating rotten bananas!!
ape #1: But the big chief apes said they saw them too!
ape #2: <This thread, but with gorillas>
Anyway, that's my pet theory. We are way out in the middle of nowhere Milky Way Galaxy and the ETs have sent a few guys out to check on us, learn about us, etc. They don't get out of the Jeep because they know they'll get their arms ripped off if they startle any of us, the gorillas, so they just watch us from a distance and speed off if there's any danger.
So even if these are E.Ts. They don't want to talk with us, or invite us to join the federation. They don't even want to destroy us. They might as well be on the other side of the Galaxy, except we occasionally get to see them zip around.
Same reason we do stuff to prevent bird strikes of airplanes. It's just practical, and considerate of nature. They aren't vulnerable to our weapons, the same way gorillas throwing rocks can't hurt the jeep.
All sci-fi, except for maybe Lovecraft's Cthulu mythos, assumes that we have something that makes us important enough for the Universe to care about Humans as anything more than a biological curiosity. I think the "we're just wildlife to them" idea would be a very tough metaphysical pill for most people to swallow.
If we posit the level of technological advancement necessary to travel between stars, it makes sense to me that if they wanted to go undetected, they could easily do so. Putting lights on their spaceships so that thousands or millions of people notice seems extremely implausible to me. It rather seems more "considerate of nature" to watch and not disrupt by essentially studying as invisibly as possible.
>Anyway, that's my pet theory. We are way out in the middle of nowhere Milky Way Galaxy and the ETs have sent a few guys out to check on us, learn about us, etc. They don't get out of the Jeep because they know they'll get their arms ripped off if they startle any of us, the gorillas, so they just watch us from a distance and speed off if there's any danger.
But that doesn't answer the biggest problem with "ufos are aliens" theory: why do you think the unexplained phenomena must be explained by aliens?
When I see these videos I think of a cat chasing a laser beam dot on a carpet. The dot looks like a real object, it shows up on video and probably even has a heat signature. It also moves erratically and disappears whenever. Is it so inconceivable to us that humans can create a localised atmospheric effect in three dimensional space with some form of phased array that reflects radar and emits heat and light so as to be visible? Just like a laser pointer can disappear behind a couch or be stitched off, so can this thing.
It looks that you are assuming that all these reports have a common cause.
It is the same kind of fallacy that causes people to believe that because something was observed somewhere and something similar was observed very soon after that but 60 miles away, that it must have been an object that moved at a very high speed.
If I was suddenly magically in charge of the investigation to figure out what was really happening I'd probably continue all existing lines of inquiry anf then as secretly as possibly also try to hire a team of magicians and known inventors of magic tricks and ask them to try to reproduce it.
After all, Clarkes third law says:
- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
and a variation says:
- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
Am I serious? Oh yes, world class magicians have decades of experience in fooling multiple keenly interested observers and at least certain "sensor platforms" (i.e. top of the line cameras) simultaneously.
I thought this [0] explanation from a post a few days ago was pretty interesting. The idea being that the US gov is likely able to create a kind of localized plasma phenomenon with some interesting properties (i.e., “ would be circular, as seen from below, and oval, as seen from the side”.) Potentially useful for “radar spoofing.”[0]
All it requires is a powerful particle accelerator and a willingness to “[dump] a high energy proton beam into the atmosphere [creating] a glowing ball of plasma.”[1]
These balls of plasma could be coaxed to behave in very unusual ways, and would likely have a oval or round shape depending on a viewer’s perspective.
Lots of interesting and tangentially related bits on Bob Lazar/Area 51 (Bob has to stick to his story to stay out of jail, and Area 51/Groom lake is heavily associated with radar evading technologies like stealth, SR-71/OxCart, so experimenting with plasma balls by shooting a particle accelerator high into the atmo seems way more of a practical explanation than aliens or super exotic tech)
His idea that the ginormous black triangles that people have reported are also radar experiments is pretty compelling as well when compared to the alien explanation.
Has anyone seen data as to the projected size of these objects? If we know their distance and they have a shape other than a point, we should at least be able to get a ballpark figure
That's the core problem. Cameras don't do distance well. Radar doesn't do size/shape well. And human eyeballs are generally bad at both. Only when multiple different sensors all see the same thing at the same time/space can we start extrapolating size and shape.
Yes but they call it a Tic Tac which implies an oblong shape. So it's picking up more than a pixel on some sensor, shouldn't that be enough to give us a ballpark?
I'm wondering if they're the size of a rowboat or a 747
I've said it once, I'll say it again-- these videos are all explained and all have been debunked. This is most likely a advertisement for the US Military's ability to track very small things such as drones. If there are videos of things that might be alien-- these are not them.
I'm so sick of seeing these same three stupid videos from the charlatan Lui Elizondo crop up over and over - flir, gimbal, go fast. Hasn't this cow been milked already? Seems to just keep on giving.
They've all been shown to be very consistent with mundane known phenomena (See Mick West's channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF3UCTZiVg9wrIEzO7Om6jw). When that's pointed out the go to answer for the believer is "well there is things you are not privy to ...". Imagine if Einstein using that as his defense to relativity. Or any scientist ever. That's not how science works. You don't get to say "yeah well, there is things you don't know" when your thesis falls apart based on the evidence you provide to support it!
I think the BBC article mentioned they are picked up on radar as well as cameras. All I've seen are the camera feeds, as either they won't show the radar (you have to be trained to even understand what you are seeing on radar) or all we have are the images. If it's just the cameras these were detected on then I'm with you
I don't want to neg, but if you want a clickable UFO story, then you just interview engineers until you come to the one that will say, "These objects show physics we don't understand", right? A data-driven journalism would survey engineers and other experts.
"These objects show physics we don't understand" said the cat to the laser pointer. Seriously though I think we'll find that the super acrobatic lights (the only exciting part of this) are being produced by powerful transmitters owned by the military, and they're showing up during training because that's exactly when the transmitters are pointed near our planes, because the transmitters are built to detect planes and that's how you test them. Most likely the military is aware of this, but the real good plane detection stuff is super secret, and it's a lot easier to keep a new sensor/transmitter secret than a new plane. Sucks they're not allowed to tell their pilots but it makes sense.
I dunno what do you think? Seems like the most parsimonious explanation to me.
How would they leave behind a wake, reflect radar, or be confirmed as visual objects by multiple trained individuals, at the same instance, multiple times, with all of those individuals containing otherwise "spotless" (no history of mass UFO boy cried wolf scenarios) records of military service?
I don’t think the people who talk about aliens visiting us realize how vast the universe is and how isolated we are from everything.
And if it is next-gen human tech, you don’t reveal it by harassing random aircraft carriers. You use it at the start of the next large-scale war and take your enemies by surprise.
And not only vast in space, but also in time. The probability of us "interacting" with an alien civilisation that is say 10,000 more advanced than us is minuscule.
More likely if we get contact with aliens they will be "angels" or other supernatural entities for us... or protozoa equivalent to life on earth 50,000 years ago or more.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 158 ms ] threadThe DNI concluded that the UFO's are likely physical things.
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelima...
A multi-sensor confirmation would show identical simultaneous movements across different sensors and platforms. Everything short of that is probably explainable due to the specific limitations of individual sensors.
"Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation"
Page 4 of the PDF, first bullet point:
"144 reports originated from USG sources. Of these, 80 reports involved observation with multiple sensors."
The UAP event spans the time where a pilot or aircrew witnessed the UAP. During this time the UAP was confirmed by multiple sensors.
There is no language in the report to make it seem like the "confirmation" happened at different times or on different days. If that is what is meant, then the report is very misleading, but I don't think that is what is meant. What language from the report leads you to this interpretation?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far the only thing that about this report has been how much hot air they can blow out of a human ass.
[1] https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-nav...
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/07/19/...
I'd not heard of these before but that sure does sound like it could be what those military videos are showing and I have to agree that it's likely "the most plausible explanation" I've heard yet.
>It is unlikely the Pentagon would release videos of their own secret weapon in a bizarre double bluff. But other nations may have their own version. In the early 1990s the Russians claimed that they could produce glowing ‘plasmoids’ at high altitude using high-power microwave or laser beams; these were intended to disrupt the flight of ballistic missiles, an answer to the planned American ‘Star Wars’. Nothing came of the project, but the technology may have been refined for other applications in the subsequent decades.
And I would agree that the Navy wouldn't risk causing an indecent by surreptitiously testing secret technology on it's own ships, especially near areas with civilian air traffic.
Could it be a foreign nation deploying a similar technology? Also highly doubtful. This would require a foreign military to either regularly sail ships or fly into US waters or very close to it, emit these plasma lasers for extended periods of time and sail/fly out undetected. The laser induced plasma effects theory would have to account for this somehow to be viable.
Why? Laser induced plasma can create three dimensional images which also appear on infrared camera, can create sound waves, and can reflect radar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QXw3ylCYT0
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-...
> To summarize Fravor’s eyewitness account to the New York Times, the pilot reported seeing a large submerged object that was causing the ocean to churn. Hovering about 50 feet above that churn, the 40-foot Tic Tac zipped erratically around the submerged object.
Look at any airspace map of the California coast and it is littered with test and training areas:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/range-navy....
Not to mention a missiles launching from Vandenburg.
It’s not even surreptitious. San Nicholas island is exactly right there: “island is currently controlled by the United States Navy and is used as a weapons testing and training facility,”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Nicolas_Island
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27723938
"The Truth Behind the Super Hornet UFO Encounters"
https://youtu.be/6z1lQ9Gp8Vk
Also, keyhole fidelity has been known of for a very long time now. Any civilian expert amazed by that picture not only isn't an expert, but also has you hilariously duped.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KH-11-best-SHIPYARD....
I saw that published 35 years ago.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over...
Flying saucers are also real, just throw a saucer in the air.
We saw an object way off in the distance, on the other side of the mountain-line shoot straight up from behind the mountains.
We stopped to watch it, and our Commander was a former mechanic on the SR-71, so we asked him what it was.... It was back-lit by a full moon at the time and perfectly clear skies.
He mumbled "im not sure yet..."
And within literally 2 seconds - the craft was hovering directly above us. It was the typical TR-3B type design, triangle with lights at the corners and one in the middle.
However this thing was MASSIVE.
It was larger than two of the Hangar rows at the airport, was hovering about 50 feet above us, 100% silent, and it slowly rotated a few degrees counter-clockwise as we watched it.
Our Commander quickly ushered us inside "EVERYONE INSIDE NOW!"
and we all scurried to get back to our office hangar...
He would never speak of the incident. But to this day, I will never forget the image of that thing floating above us, and just how immense this thing was.
Think of that guy in the movie "shooter" with Markie Mark... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0822854/
He lived like this guy did in the beginning of the movie.
First of all, these training exercises have the highest concentration of military-grade sensors in the world. In the history of the world. And I don’t mean that in the cliche way that military-grade sensors are good per se. Just that civilian sensors designed to detect hiding aircraft don’t really exist.
And you only get these concentrations in training exercises because the world’s most cutting edge military hasn’t had a war against a technologically advanced opponent in decades. Decades during which those sensors have become increasingly sensitive and networked with a greater quantity of supplementary data sources and somewhat complex algorithms for blending data from many sensors. All of which means of course it’s a military detection, and of course it’s a training exercise (DOD would also almost certainly not release operational information, even in summary, so we can safely assume any detections in an operational environment remain classified).
The part that really stood out, and that I'd missed last time, was him saying that these observations by military pilots were all within military zones on both coasts.
That kinda does make the secret military program assumption more likely. That's not to say they haven't been testing that tech elsewhere, but it does make sense they'd do that. Certainly more than aliens doing it for shits and giggles.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/18/pop-up-enabl...
[2] https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/05/the-ocean-is-on-fire-gas-leak...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxYmm5yCJBg
On an unrelated note, I've seen a couple of books whose authors claim UFOs are actually subject-related phenomena.
Thats my favorite theory on these...
Napkin math to disprove this claim:
7,000,000,000 people * 100kg = 700,000,000 tonnes = 7 million launches of starship * 5000t propellant per launch = 35 billion tonnes of propellant (approx 1/4 natural gas, 3/4 oxygen)
Annual natural gas consumption in the US is 34 trillion cubic feet, which is about 800,000,000t. So about ten years would be 8 billion tonnes of natural gas (32 billion tonnes of propellant once you add oxygen)
So excluding things like keeping your payload alive and breathing, the US generates enough natural gas to launch one tenth of the world population into orbit every year.
You are comparing a Breakaway Civ to launching the CURRENT equivalant of humans into space??
WTF.
So - please rebuild your maths: global population from1930... - then adjust for Germany from ~1930 until ~1950. normalize by USA 1950 pop... then calc missing persons reports since...
The INPUTs are MANY and your model is flawed. Youre misinformed...
Weirdly there's some stock footage scenes that aren't HD. This led me to finding https://www.reddit.com/r/XFiles/comments/3w3lxl/the_blurays_... which is a great thread with lots of info on how the restoration was done.
I seem to remember the later parts of the series going a little off the rails. But so far it's great family watching for the right age.
I think you'll find better UFOs and conspiracy theories rewatching this than grainy fighter jet videos.
Although I had to laugh at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewalker_(The_X-Files) which is about a contagious alien(?) virus which I remember being super scary. The whole idea of viruses, pandemics and quarantine didn't really phase the kids at all. How times have changed.
I think Episode 4~6 are the pinnacle of the series, but the rest are not bad. How old is your kid?
ape #1: You see that thing, holy crap what is it?
ape #2: Oh yeah, that's just a bunch of rocks.
ape #1: But, it moved!!!
ape #2: Must be some animal from another part of the forest.
ape #1: I've seen it move faster than any other animal in the forest!
ape #2: You've been eating rotten bananas!!
ape #1: But the big chief apes said they saw them too!
ape #2: <This thread, but with gorillas>
Anyway, that's my pet theory. We are way out in the middle of nowhere Milky Way Galaxy and the ETs have sent a few guys out to check on us, learn about us, etc. They don't get out of the Jeep because they know they'll get their arms ripped off if they startle any of us, the gorillas, so they just watch us from a distance and speed off if there's any danger.
So even if these are E.Ts. They don't want to talk with us, or invite us to join the federation. They don't even want to destroy us. They might as well be on the other side of the Galaxy, except we occasionally get to see them zip around.
All sci-fi, except for maybe Lovecraft's Cthulu mythos, assumes that we have something that makes us important enough for the Universe to care about Humans as anything more than a biological curiosity. I think the "we're just wildlife to them" idea would be a very tough metaphysical pill for most people to swallow.
But that doesn't answer the biggest problem with "ufos are aliens" theory: why do you think the unexplained phenomena must be explained by aliens?
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/07/19/...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-nav...
It is the same kind of fallacy that causes people to believe that because something was observed somewhere and something similar was observed very soon after that but 60 miles away, that it must have been an object that moved at a very high speed.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27609973
If I was suddenly magically in charge of the investigation to figure out what was really happening I'd probably continue all existing lines of inquiry anf then as secretly as possibly also try to hire a team of magicians and known inventors of magic tricks and ask them to try to reproduce it.
After all, Clarkes third law says:
- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
and a variation says:
- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
Am I serious? Oh yes, world class magicians have decades of experience in fooling multiple keenly interested observers and at least certain "sensor platforms" (i.e. top of the line cameras) simultaneously.
All it requires is a powerful particle accelerator and a willingness to “[dump] a high energy proton beam into the atmosphere [creating] a glowing ball of plasma.”[1]
These balls of plasma could be coaxed to behave in very unusual ways, and would likely have a oval or round shape depending on a viewer’s perspective.
Lots of interesting and tangentially related bits on Bob Lazar/Area 51 (Bob has to stick to his story to stay out of jail, and Area 51/Groom lake is heavily associated with radar evading technologies like stealth, SR-71/OxCart, so experimenting with plasma balls by shooting a particle accelerator high into the atmo seems way more of a practical explanation than aliens or super exotic tech)
His idea that the ginormous black triangles that people have reported are also radar experiments is pretty compelling as well when compared to the alien explanation.
[0] https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang...
[1] https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang...
I'm wondering if they're the size of a rowboat or a 747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3viYcYPRdu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWGmiZs4JA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCH7BWGpl5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th4VlqQyVr4
Bob Lazar debunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghkFTRY4ZB0
They've all been shown to be very consistent with mundane known phenomena (See Mick West's channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF3UCTZiVg9wrIEzO7Om6jw). When that's pointed out the go to answer for the believer is "well there is things you are not privy to ...". Imagine if Einstein using that as his defense to relativity. Or any scientist ever. That's not how science works. You don't get to say "yeah well, there is things you don't know" when your thesis falls apart based on the evidence you provide to support it!
I dunno what do you think? Seems like the most parsimonious explanation to me.
And if it is next-gen human tech, you don’t reveal it by harassing random aircraft carriers. You use it at the start of the next large-scale war and take your enemies by surprise.
More likely if we get contact with aliens they will be "angels" or other supernatural entities for us... or protozoa equivalent to life on earth 50,000 years ago or more.