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I enjoy family weekends; I enjoy short trips over a weekend sometimes.

But the weekends I really treasure are when I can go full nerd-out on some electronics or electronics/firmware or pure software side-project. Even if it’s just a 3 hour uninterrupted block (both not interrupted but also knowing that you won’t be) each day, that’s pure bliss.

No Jira tickets, no sprint stand ups, no estimates, no slack brush-brushes, no zoom calls, just nerding out.

Do you remember when work used to be like this? I remember some of my early startup jobs. No Jira or Agile ritual BS.
I like the ticketing system for tracking issues, especially with a distributed team. But especially with bigger corporations it gets so damn tiresome. I crave a Kanban-only system and software leaders who just talk to their developers to inform/influence what's to do next.

Perhaps this is just grass-is-greener daydreaming. Is anybody doing this/how does it perform? Perhaps I am just so thoroughly conditioned by agile-everywhere-all-the-time and I can't think pass it and this is a very bad idea?

HubSpot has this type of culture. Engineers would work on problem areas or projects. They would be empowered to communicate progress in whatever way the team thought was best.

The vast majority of teams didn’t use stand-ups, scrum, or agile.

Do you work for hubspot
I am interviewing for hubspot as well currently and I also read the books. Interesting !!
The book ("Disrupted") was a real laugh. After reading it, I wouldn't want to work there.
Wait, isn’t that the book where the guy stayed there for like 2 years just to log all the crazy stuff that happened so he could write a book? Weren’t people like having sex in the company beds during work hours?
Yes, that's it. Some crazy stuff happened and many people "graduated" from the company. Perhaps a Hubspot employee can tell us how true it all was!
I used to, I switched away a few years ago - but do miss the engineering autonomy.
Can't agree more.

Sometimes I just want to build and customize some models alone. Lego or Gundam or some ancient ship.

No phone calls, no friends, families and socializing.

Even though I love coding, but sometimes I do feel exhausted. Don't even want to touch the keyboard, gamepad or any electronics.

Yeah, I noticed that I'm clearly in different "modes" in my free time and act accordingly.

Sometimes I really only want to lie on the couch and consume. The thought of my electronics projects then seems exhausting. Sometimes I really want to be productive and stimulated, then I work on those projects or read a math or EE textbook, and the thought of just sitting there and consuming seems excruciatingly boring.

The key aspect is to recognize that none of those phases will last forever, and cycling through those various hobbies gives variety.

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If you think you mental health is something you can do two days a week you're on the path towards stress related disease and burn out.
A lot of the stress comes from not wanting to do boring stuffs in weekends, so yeah I actually hate weekends from time to time.
I agree with you on that; specially after the lockdown & wfh combo. I started a cricket team in my town just because of this. Best thing I have done for my physical fitness!
Don't do boring things! Go build a robot in your backyard. Learn to sail a boat. Take up martial arts.
Who's going to clean the house?
I'm not great at this, but i suspect we should be doing it during the working week...
It's trivial to hire house cleaners to come in once or twice a week, and to keep things minimally tidy in between.
I dislike house cleaners not because of the cost but because I really dislike other people sorting through my things and putting them back in the wrong places. It also feels like an invasion when they arrive.
Most people take entirely too long to clean the house. Optimize for economy of motion and it becomes a sort of bin packing problem where you try and find the most efficient way to layer the various tasks that can be sort of fun in and of itself.
I agree with you. The best way to clean house is to divide it into small chunks and do each one as an exercise each day after work(you know, those garbage time). Sadly wifie doesn't agree with me.
My wife makes us clean the house, run the laundry, and do any budgeting we need to do on a Saturday (the time depends on our plans). It takes an hour or two in total if you just focus on finishing quickly. Does it suck? Yes. Do I moan about it? Yes. Am I a big kid? Probably. But get it out the way as soon as possible and the rest of the weekend is yours to enjoy :)
I clean the house. I do it about ten mins a night. Sometimes fifteen if it's a mess.
I don't understand. Do you mean you have to do boring chores on the weekend (because they simply have to be done, e.g. laundry), or do you mean that you choose to do boring things?

If the latter... just don't do boring things? That's never been an issue for me. I cycle between many hobbies: Electronics, signal processing, my 90s record collection, video games, watching TV shows, aviation... sometimes it's clear that my body just wants me to lay on the couch and consume. Sometimes it's really the opposite and I ache for something "productive" and stimulating. Then TV shows seem boring, so I work on my electronics projects or learns some maths. Sometimes I hit the road in my car.

If it's chores, then for many of them there's ways to make them more enjoyable. Lot of chores don't require your full attention, so you can listen to a podcast, an audiobook, or even watch a movie or TV show while doing so (works well for folding laundry, or doing the dishes if you have an iPad).

I really place importance on the fact that what I watch or listen to has to be fun, though. No podcasts that are work-related, or about "serious issues". For podcasts, it's mostly about video games for me. Audiobooks are novels, i.e. fiction. Movies and TV shows likewise. Otherwise it isn't relaxing.

> Out of 52 weekends, I didn’t work more than 30% of them.

Assuming you are working a standard Mon - Fri, the correct amount of weekends to be working is 0.

There is some tradeoff point if you make overtime and you need the money. If you are salaried, then just say no.

I occasionally get asked to work a late night or a weekend. It's never a real emergency - nobody is blocked, it isn't software that impacts live users, etc. It's just scheduling fails by some middle manager somewhere. My answer is always the same:

"Oh, sorry, I can't. Already scheduled."

I agree with you! I hope to reduce this to 0%.
Absolutely. 5 days per week is already too much work. Anyone asking more of you has little to no concern for your personal well-being.
This is one of those reminders that most of the stuff you read on the internet is written by abnormal people. In this case, it's someone claiming they "only" work 30% of weekends and regularly go to 5am meetings explaining why you should have the abundant work-life balance they achieve.
I think you’re so right. It is an achievement than just a reward. I had to be disciplined to accommodate my sleep routine and be productive. The goal is not to think about work at all during “not the working hours” but how?.
exactly.

Manufacturing Consent applies to more than just mainstream news media.

I am sorry for not being clear. But with wfh, it changed. I haven’t done 5am calls before the pandemic wfh was in full flow. But I meant to mention that how I got used to it to be a team player for my transatlantic mates. But you’re right.
> This is one of those reminders that most of the stuff you read on the internet is written by abnormal people

This right here cannot be overstated. Internet blogs are not a uniformly distributed sampling of the population.

Thank you so much. You’re also just one of us. Welcome to the internet.
Sometimes there is a real reason for someone to work a weekend or off hours. In every reasonable place I've worked, this has been offset with some other free time. Work Saturday, but take off on Tuesday to make up for it. Or work a late night maintenance window, but take a quiet no meetings day the next day.
As a salaried worker I am perfectly fine working weekends as long as I get compensatory time off in exchange - days I can take off the following week(s) on top of my usual PTO allowances. If a team cannot promise me this I don't want to work for them.

Sometimes, weekend work with a team is some of the most engaging work one can perform in a salaried role. I have fond memories of the cycle of scrambling before a launch, the catharsis of the launch, and then the ensuing vacation.

The key thing is committing to the whole cycle - crunch is sometimes a necessary evil but must be followed by equal and opposite rest. Any group that doesn't respect this yin-yang is undeserving of your labor.

This is a great point! I think of uPtO as same!
I view working weekends as equal to working overtime. If I work a full week and then work into the weekend, I want more than equal PTO for the weekend time worked, or more pay than I would normally receive.

If looking at a potential employer I find out they expect weekend work and don't treat it like overtime, I assume they are bad employers and move on.

> "Oh, sorry, I can't. Already scheduled."

Typical pushback is a lecture about the importance of being a "team player" and pressure to cancel or reschedule things to make the boss look good.

That’s the feeling which pushes me.
So what?

"Sorry, no." Done. Either it's a shitty enough work environment that they'll fire you, in which case they would have gotten around to it any way, or it's not, and they won't, and nothing happens.

Why even be sorry
Because it's a colloquialism, and because despite that "No is a complete sentence" post from earlier this week (last week?), it often comes across across as rude, unnecessarily harsh, and over time will make people think of you as an asshole.
When I started working I had a boss pull this line. Then he didn't turn up cos he had a family thing that was more important.

This pushed three of us (out of 5) to quit in the next couple of months (after getting another job sorted).

Don’t work weekends. Don’t read the news. Spend time with loved ones. Make art or enjoy art.
better advice than whole long article

though how should I find out about important news without reading the news? like what are current COVID/travel restrictions etc? it's easier to just check news site once a day than check dozens of gov sites

Which part of the world are you in where there are Covid restrictions changing on a day to day basis?
Europe, there were almost weekly changes through the pandemic and you still failed to answer my question where I will find this information without checking the news, I find much easier check daily the news than check them once a week trying to catch up what I missed in whole week looking for some summary, that's not what I would call efficient use of my time
I think what they meant was not reading news on the weekend. You will still get updates about those things during the week.
that would be reasonable but there still can be important news on weekend and it takes literally seconds to skim through headlines
It's less about the time spent and more about the mental impact of reading about all the bad things in the world. For a while, I literally consumed no news at all, but important news still reached me through friends. (Now, I'm back to reading the news almost daily, mostly because of the war and because there are big changes regarding COVID regulations in Germany at the moment.)
the impact is really up to you and how thick is your skin, whether you are getting angry/scared when reading the news or not

news through friends work only if you have many local friends and not friends scattered across the world, so they won't have much useful news for your day to day life and these days I try to avoid small talk about news with local people, because almost everything is way too controversial unless you agree with MSM propaganda

What you chose to do not not do on weekends or even weekdays is none of my business. I was just curious about where in the world Covid restrictions were still changing on a day to day basis.
I haven't actively read news for over a year and I still manage to get this information, try not reading the news and just check what you need to check. The news comes from sources that you can check instead and if anything big happens it will find you anyways.
Be like Haskell and check things on the spot.
My 2s response is “don’t read the news” doesn’t necessarily mean don’t consult the news ever. Just not worth making a habit IMHO.
How to write platitudes for clicks.
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You work 5 days a week and just to take two days off for your mental health and recovery so you can go back and do it again the next week.
Sounds hellish doesn't it?
One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
That’s why I wrote this! And we have PTO. Let’s use them!
I remember when I had weekends it was marvelous. Now I have a kid and there are no weekends or free nights
It gets worse ;) Sorry,I couldn't resist. I've heard it eases around 14
I suppose being a single parent… that sounds like hell
why no free nights? I put kids to sleep around 19:30 and then I have free evening mostly just watching TV shows/movies and surfing to rest up until midnight, heck I even enjoy weekends with them, anything beats work
I put mine too bed, clean up then I’m too tired to move and back at it at 530
Tl;dr don’t work on the weekends, do something that makes you happy

I have no idea how such shallow faff got on the front page.

You can't "catch up" on sleep. The only way to get enough sleep is to have a schedule that you stick to.

It's ok to think about work off hours. Write down your thoughts, do some meditation practice to learn to let the work thoughts flow by and notice them, but let them go.

100% agreed! Discipline is important. We need an alarm clock to go to sleep. Waking up becomes so easy then (:
Are you saying that the "sleep camel" phenom is bogus ?
I'd hate to need breaks from my work for mental sanity. Sucks to be normal.
Saved you a click, these are only advices among the ballast:

> For starters, try to disconnect from work and social media. Dedicate some time to yourself and do something that makes you happy, whether it’s reading, going for a walk, or spending time with family and friends. You can also use the weekend to catch up on sleep.

> That’s why professionals recommend taking a break from work at least one day each week. And not just any kind of break — a real break. That means no checking email, no working on projects, and no worrying about what’s happening at the office.

Alternatively, use the entire week for health. Mental and physical.

Everything in moderation.

In other words: how we don't even have weekends anymore.
> You can also use the weekend to catch up on sleep.

Even if I agree with some of this article, this quote is just blatantly false. You can't catch up on sleep.