Ask HN: If you cut caffeine, how long would you last at your job?

43 points by abledon ↗ HN
I'm aware of the almost magical effects caffeine can have on my coding and productivity.

If you stopped taking caffeine (or adderall or whatever other drug that enhances focus)... how long do you think you could continue to do your job effectively. Would you be fired within a month?

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Nah I would probably force myself to sleep earlier. Stimulants are a cope for bad discipline imho.
Personally, I’d miss it, as I really enjoy coffee, but I wouldn’t foresee any impact to my ability to work.

If you really feel that caffeine is sustaining your existence, time to reset. Start cutting down by substituting tea, do some sort of ritual or physical activity after work to establish a boundary and get more sleep. Before bed, turn off the TV and do something without a computer. Read, have sex, do a puzzle, whatever.

No significant effect probably except for some craving; during the start of the pandemic, with all of the changes going-on, mind was no longer bored and so didn't really seek or drink any caffeine for months.

I notice the caffeine craving is stronger when bored at the job, otherwise, it can be ignored. Now in the latter years of the pandemic, boredom is setting-in and so caffeine craving has increased.

What? Withdrawal would be over in a week in the worst-case scenario. Last at my job? What?
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If I quit drinking coffee it would take two weeks for the worst of the withdrawl to end, then I'd get most of my productivity back.
For the last twenty or so years, I've given it up for a month each year. I don't see much difference
Ramadan by any chance?
No actually. In my first year working, I felt like I was getting addicted to coffee, and I noticed a 22 year old who had a long commute who seemed to subsist on coffee in the morning, cigarettes in the afternoon, and beer at night.

He seemed ineffective and unable to concentrate, as if he was permanently sleep deprived, and the less he did at work, the longer he stayed working, and the less sleep he got, the more stimulants he took. Eventually he wound up getting nothing done while spinning his wheels, and got fired. I think he moved closer to his next job and did fine there, but I took the lesson and decided to short-circuit those tendencies by giving up caffeine, sugar, and alcohol for a month each year.

As an experiment, around 6 months ago I cut out caffeine, down from a solid 40-60oz of coffee a day, and fairly strong at that. In the first week to 10 days I had some headaches, and then was pretty much back to normal. Still drink coffee, just switched to decaf. Honestly, I can't tell the difference.

One great side effect is that on occasion we will have coffee in the evening, which we never used to do.

I had hoped that I'd start sleeping better, between coffee and establishing a better bedtime routine. Dropping caffeine did very little to help, getting better bedtime routines and not drinking much fluids after 5pm (cutting down bathroom trips in the night) helped the most.

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I'm OK without Mr. Coffee, I treat it more or less like a drink instead of something essential.

But still, losing it would be miserable. So I chose to drink as much decaffeinated as possible. Basically I reserve the ordinary one for days when I need to work on some difficult projects or I need to present something in a meeting (rare these days).

I expect this is a placebo effect. It's completely possible to feel more productive without actually being more productive. Looking back on the (admittedly very few) caffeine-fuelled stints I've had they were just more chaotic and overall less productive than drinking tiny amounts of coffee, or no coffee at all.
Most software engineering occurs on self-imposed deadlines and goals. Often, certain members of the team push themselves much harder then the rest of the group. However the vast majority of engineers work relatively light hours. It's unlikely the majority of the team is on performance enhancing drugs.
I've never regularly taken caffeine or other stimulants, and my work is fine. I imagine that stopping would be more about an adjustment period than a significant productivity decrease.
Without my medication? I think that would be problematic, yes.

But caffeine, I already avoid it because I think it redundant with my medication.

> I already avoid it because I think it redundant with my medication.

I get your drift, and my heart probably wishes I would do the same... literally.

It doesn't do much for me either way. I don't see a clear difference between my productivity when I use it and when I don't.
It's easy to make too much of coffee "addiction", like it becomes part of people's personalities (a very modern stupidity that substitutes for character IMHO) i.e. ZOMG I NEED COFFEE TO LIVE. Nobody needs that.

It isn't like going cold turkey on heroin or anything like that.

Except caffeine consumption does have a substantial impact on personality and behavior, it's basically cocaine lite.
Well, I don't think it's coffee that is implicated in that, more likely sugary caffeinated drinks[0].

[0]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B978012409....

> Well, I don't think it's coffee that is implicated in that, more likely sugary caffeinated drinks

Well, you think incorrectly, this literally has its own wikipedia page [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeinism

I wonder if it's very personal, I drink coffee all the time for taste but don't get any boost from it. When I run out of coffee I don't mind and go and buy it. I can go weeks without having it overnight. I very well do know what addiction is because of other stuff in my life. On the other hand my dad is quitting coffee all the time and at least the way he talks about it is like a heroin addict going to rehab.
I'd probably switch my workout time to early in the morning instead of getting a cup of coffee and browsing the internet before starting my work day. I find drinking a cup of coffee and browsing the internet for 15 minutes in the morning has taken the place of my morning commute since the pandemic started, I'm sure I could find an alternative routine to get ready for the day. Once I had to start paying for my own coffee while working from home I went from 60 ounces a day down to 30. Maybe this helped me get better sleep or maybe I'm just less stressed two years into the pandemic, I'll probably never know unless I double my coffee consumption to find out which is not worth it.
A place with high turnover allows you to coast for years... so I'd probably just look a little lower energy than normal.
I usually break from coffee when going on vacation, so coming back to work afterwards and not having coffee isn't so much of a problem.

The thing though is... I _like_ coffee. The caffeine is maybe 20% of the experience for me. I enjoy the routine I have with coffee: Weigh the beans, run them through the grinder, prep my drip filter, carefully pour the hot water in, listen to the drips while taking in the wonderful aroma... and then finally, when I take that first sip of the morning, feeling the warmth of the drink in my chest.

Everything in that process is soothing for me, and serves as mental preparation for the day to come. It's the marker for the start of my workday, separating work from home. It's the mental replacement for the commute I no longer have.

I don't _need_ those things, and I could totally do my job without any of them, but I'd be losing the happiness I get from the experience.

This is why I started to grind 2/3-3/4 decaf mixed in with regular beans. Part of my morning routine and commute but I don't want to over caffeinate.
I do the same. Decaf gets a bad rap - if you like (or crave) the taste of coffee but don’t want the jitters, go decaf.
I like those same types of things when I bake bread. You might give that a shot, if you haven't, and two of those activities sounds better than one.

Bread aroma vs coffee aroma...maybe up for debate, but I'll take the bread.

Why settle for one if you can have both? I think the smell of freshly baked bread is from another world but the satisfaction during consumption for me is on the coffee side of things.
Completely agree. I love the taste of coffee, I love the smell of roasted beans, but I really appreciate the ritual. I can function fine without coffee, but the morning just isn’t started until I have fresh grounds and a pot started. Caffeinated or decaffeinated, coffee is great. I’ve tried substitutes like tea and chicory, doesn’t work.
the other great time to kick the habit is when you're sick... if you don't have a choice about being sick you might as well throw withdrawal effects at the same time, medicate and sleep it away and start fresh when you recover.
Kinda the same here. I usually have one (not very strong) cup in the morning, and sometimes one in the afternoon. If I take a break I don't notice anything. I've not tried not having coffee for a week in a while, but I've been on this low amount for a few years.
You probably won't like hearing this, but that's very similar to the incredible feeling of removing the plastic on a new pack of cigarettes, tapping one out, lighting it up, taking a nice big inhale and feeling the buzz work its magic.
Just because both have an enjoyable ritual aspect does not mean that they are equivalent vices or even remotely comparable.

Humans ritualize all sorts of activities, positive and negative.

Caffeine and nicotine are not that dissimilar. Both are physically and psychologically addictive. It's just nicotine happens to come in a much nastier package healthwise.
It's also similar to opening a pack of premium herbs from a dispensary, grinding it, packing it into a bowl or a vaporizer, etc
I cutted caffeine in April 2020 for almost 1.5 years. It took me a while to get over the habit and the headaches but overall it was not an issue to me. I didn’t have peaks and crashes during the day, it was more uniform days form me.
I don't drink caffeine except in emergencies, so I guess it wouldn't affect me much at all.
I've never been on any drug outside of sickness, but what I've always found made a COLOSSAL difference is a 15 minute afternoon nap. Turns the second half of the day from a slogfest to actually productive. Wish I could have done that in school.
I (mostly) quit soda last fall and I don't like coffee. I still use caffeine occasionally when I've slept poorly and need to wake up.

The biggest effect on my productivity is that I need fewer bathroom breaks. No danger of getting fired (except possibly from excessive HN browsing).

I get the correct amount of sleep. I don't need it. I just drink water.
I completely cut caffeine a few years ago. I was groggy and tired for about a week before I was entirely back to normal. Now I only use it to counter the occasional sleepless night, and not as an every-day thing. I continue to do my job just fine.
Accidentally did the same while on vacation and had no access to caffeine for two days, I was a 6-espresso a day user down to zero. That feeling is horrible. I heard that if one wants to quit, tapering down is the way.