Many people who could be watching kanopy via a public library probably don't know it, more marketting would be helpful, from either libraries or kanopy.
But...
> Stream thousands of films for free, thanks to the generous support of your public library or university
Kanopy isn't non-profit is it? Either way, libraries and universities are paying fees to kanopy for licensed access. This is an odd way and potentially misleading way of putting it, "generous support". Will Elsevier start telling users they are getting "free access thanks to the generous support of your university" next, as if universities pay elsevier it's enormous fees out of "generosity"?
Certainly true, though presumably Kanopy in turn has to pay license holders for the films they offer? If it turned out they were gouging libraries I'd be incensed, but I would tend to think it's at least as likely the the studios and distribution companies are charging Kanopy a lot.
I'm just saying "generous support" makes sense as a word when it's NPR talking about donors, but is a weird word to describe the payments of your customers for a commercial service. Which makes me think they're trying to sound like they're NPR or something, when they are a commercial service. Universities and libraries don't pay for kanopy out of "generosity" or to "support" it -- it's a commercial service they subscribe to!
I have no idea what profit margin Kanopy makes, which is I guess how we'd determine if it was "gouging"? I don't know from "gouging".
One thing to keep in mind is that the selection is dependent on your local library, so the listing is a sum of the subsets but you can get a general idea of the content that's available there.
> Is there any way to know, with JustWatch, which free streaming services are available in Canada?
Yes, once you sign up there's a provider selection wizard that allows you to see a list of free services in your selected country. You can then also "batch add" all of them to your providers so they are always selected automatically.
> the selection is dependent on your local library
It VERY much is. Used my community college login, and there was nothing at all, anywhere. My login for a largish state college was a little better, but not much...maybe 50 total items and all in the documentary, gender studies, and one other section.
Kanopy should probably work the UI a little for linked accounts to places that have nothing at all to offer...rather than having you create the login, verify an email, etc.
Many library systems do not provide Kanopy to their patrons (such as the New York Public Library), and some participating libraries only offer a subset of the "available" titles. So even if you have access to Kanopy with your library card, you can click "Play" on a title only to discover it's not available to you.
Yeah, a lot of universities required librarian approval to add a new film to limit the costs. Similar to an ILL request where the library pays a small fee but typically doesn't pass that forward to the requester, as long as one lab/person doesn't use an extreme amount of requests.
> except learning it hurts the library more than expected is a downer.
Which is likely an incentive for libraries to not expose those costs on a per-request basis. As thebitstick mentioned here[1], libraries want to encourage usage. Overall usage volume has already been budgeted for, so the variances between one request and another for a typical patron won't materially impact the overall capacity of a library from serving their patrons. Inversely, if exposing the individual request costs disincentive enough conscientious patrons from making those requests, it makes it more difficult for the library to justify the service at all and could result in the loss of budget to continue covering it. Which ends up being a net loss of access for those patrons which do not have the means to access it elsewhere and were reliant on the library for it.
A few years ago, I attempted to work out what a circulation cost us calculating things like our collection budget, staff budget, etc. vs number of circs. It came out to about $2.50 or so. Keep in mind there are some serious limitations; for example, the buildings are a fixed cost and there would need to be a precipitous drop in circulation to lay off staff, but it gave a rough idea of what it costs to buy something, check it out, re-shelve it, etc.
All else being equal, it could very well be logistically cheaper.
But to publishers, increasing the volume of printed copies of a given title is absolutely not equal to a library purchasing a single copy and physically handling it in circulation until it naturally degrades to the point of being trashed. Physically printing brand new copies for patrons to keep every time a book was 'checked-out' would pose such a materially large impact on sales volume that publishers flat out wouldn't allow it.
Even a perpetual license to loan a single copy of an ebook can cost a library upwards of $100[1], due to potential revenue impact to publishers/authors from having it in circulation in perpetuity without physical deterioration naturally limiting it's lifetime/volume of loans. And the number of simultaneous loans for a given title is generally restricted to the number of individual licenses you've paid for. If that's the case even for ebooks, you can imagine what they'd require to print a title on demand and give it away to a patron forever.
It would be. Making unlimited ebooks available would be even cheaper than that. But neither of those really fits the business model of the publisher. A public library is already a compromise in the eyes on many publishers.
For the same reason they pay $80 for a single use copy of an ebook: because users expect it and don't really care about the excuse. Users see that other libraries offer a service, they see the services they want to use and no number of spreadsheets will make them happy with answer "no".
This differs vastly by locality. In some places, taxes fund libraries entirely or in part. In others, NGOs fund them. There is often a local non-profit that raises money to keep a library running.
I like to think that my library's management knows how to do cost benefit analyses. I can assure you that my library didn't subscribe to this because of unreasonable demands from patrons, but because they felt it was a worthy option for their patrons.
Put another way, if my library dropped Kanopy, almost no one would notice. So it's hard to claim Kanopy is being "predatory" as another commenter mentioned.
For me personally, $150 seems obscenely high. Especially considering it would be far more economical to just buy the DVD. The cost is high enough that I would genuinely feel quite guilty for making my community pay that much. Ironically, I would feel no such guilt for torrenting the movie at that point.
I get that the infrastructure for streaming isn't cheap, and neither are the licensing fees, but this feels like price gouging. I know price gouging is a specific legal term but I'm speaking in the vernacular sense.
I also understand that my library has a lot more data to make the decision than my feeling of guilt. There's no need to speculate. Email your library and ask them:
"Would you prefer I stream title X from Kanopy, or check out the DVD?"
And also ask
"Would you prefer I stream title Y from Kanopy, for which you don't carry the DVD?"
Feel free to provide the context, expressing concerns that it'll potentially cost them over $150, and you're worried that they are being abused by Kanopy.
If the library's not willing to tell me to prefer the DVD, then I'm not concerned.
Be aware that very little you donate to the library ends up on the shelves. Most of the time they sell whatever you donate (e.g. "Friends of Library sales")
This is generally sound advice but it's not a random side project of someone in that case. It's an official partner of the libraries so your suspicion is a bit misplaced.
It's a for profit company that sells its services to libraries.
I think suspicion of any company that asks for your password with a third party is warranted. Asking for credentials like this not only teaches bad security practices, but even if Kanopy is trustworthy today, the company could easily be sold to a less trustworthy owner and all the data from your library account siphoned and sold to data brokers.
Kanopy uses your card number and PIN to access an API for whatever ILS the library allows Kanopy to point to.
Libraries allow access when they pay for giving access to Kanopy for their patrons.
However, in theory, this could give Kanopy access to try and harvest checked out materials via our catalog with these credentials. In practice, we haven't seen them doing this. Your PIN/password should after all be different from the ones you use for every website.
If you are in Ottawa, Canada, the Public Library can give you access to:
Browse > Online Resources > Watch (streaming video) > Then pick what you want to access:
* Access Video on Demand (Educational)
* Curio.ca (CBC material, and has teacher related material)
* Hoopla (Audiobooks)
* Just for Kids
* Kanopy (My favourite. Limited to 4 movies a month.
* Kanopy For Kids (unlimited)
* Medici.tv | EDU (Music e.g. Classical)
* Naxos Video Library (Music e.g Classical)
* Many newspapers and magazines, all searchable and online!
Additional info: Ancestry Online (this is now only possible on the library's computers, and not from home. Used this a lot for finding info on my past relatives, and
Been using Kanopy for a few years and the quality of the content on there is an order of magnitude better than any other streaming service. In the Seattle area you only get 5 views/month, but that's plenty for me.
I'm a big Kanopy fan and love to at least browse what they've got.
Another digital library functionality I use is [Libby](https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby), which lets me read library books on my Kindle or Kindle App. Saves me and my wife hundreds of dollars a year on books!
Libby is - also - awesome. I use it with Kobo (choose on phone, then sync to reader). And they have both books and audiobooks too, so I stopped my Audible subscription for now.
Incidentally, Libby and Kanopy are owned by the same company and they are planning some further film discovery focused enhancements in the Libby app this year.
Want to second what a great app Libby is: it's like a "management" layer on top of your regular library experience, paired with integrating services seamlessly (libraries, eReaders) that makes it wonderful.
Also, some really smart UX/UI decisions in the app. And: I'm super-jaded about this stuff, but find the subtle "delighters" and microinteractions actually helpful and enhance the experience.
Another nice thing is that their UX changes actually feel like steps forward. For example if you live in an area with overlapping libraries, the app has gotten much better at unifying the catalog info.
While most of the views use limited credits, Kanopy has some free titles. They are not often easy to discover, so I wanted to mention it here.
The especially interesting free set is (at least through my library), is a nearly full collection of the Greater Courses, a very high quality educational materials. You can see the official source here: https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses It is also a good way to find the actual course and then plug it into Kanopy.
Finally, searching Kanopy on the mobile phone app, bookmarking and then switching to TV app to actually watch is an easier workflow than trying to type things in TV interface.
I like Canopy but wish it wouldn't show unavailable movies in my region. I ended up uninstalling the app in frustration after, on several occasions, spending many minutes finding a movie that seemed interesting, only to learn it was region restricted when pressing play.
There are already more great movies/shows than one can watch in a lifetime, and we shouldn't incentivize the business of remakes of remakes of remakes.
Public libraries could use their funding for cooler stuff like letting people borrow musical instruments.
PS: The Pirate Bay (and torrenting in general) is actually terrible for non-mainstream content. Like, look at the audiobook section... it's basically Harry Potter and a lot of "self help" psuedo-cultists.
Kanopy recently revamped their UI and the site has turned to unresponsive garbage for me. The new player glitches frequently and hangs when buffering. The old player wasn't stellar but it wasn't this awful.
The old search interface was nice. It was easy to get a list of newly-added items, sorted by date, with thumbnails and metadata. The new UI is just thumbnails in a horizontal "carousel" and you can only see metadata by clicking the thumbnail.
I don't know how anybody thought this was a good idea.
NYPL stopped offering Kanopy a couple of years back
> As of July 1, 2019, The New York Public Library will no longer offer cardholders free access to video streaming platform Kanopy. The Library made this decision after a careful and thorough examination of its streaming offerings and priorities. We believe the cost of Kanopy makes it unsustainable for the Library, and that our resources are better utilized purchasing more in-demand collections such as books and e-books.
At the time this was done, the Kanopy model was that when you watched a movie, if you were the first one to watch it from your library, it would trigger an expensive purchase ($80–100, as I recall) after which subsequent viewings would be free. This led to unpredictable costs to the library. I think that they’ve since moved to a pay per view model line Hoopla uses which is why movies will sometimes disappear from the service.
I have Kanopy. They offer some good films, but not the ones that tend to have very large licensing fees, I would guess.
People who say "they should just buy the DVD" are imagining that the library can just pay $20 or whatever, and then offer it to as many users as want to watch?
I don't think it works that way for libraries. Maybe someone who knows for sure can tell us? I'm guessing that they get the right to loan out the DVD physically but not electronically.
I ran the Cinema Club at Google for 10 years, and we made our lawyers happy by always paying "public performance rights" (PPRs) for all our flicks. When you buy a DVD, you get a license for "home viewing." That does not allow you to invite members of the public in to watch. You cannot show it in your bar or restaurant or at a place of business. Maybe you, Fred Hacker, can get away with it, but a large multinational company cannot.
When I negotiated PPRs with a film distributor, they always asked these questions:
1) Is the film showing advertised outside your company?
2) Is attendance limited to employees and their guests?
3) How big is the room? (or maybe it was "what's the average attendance?")
I didn't look into what public libraries pay for their movies, but I'm pretty sure it's more than you would pay to just buy the DVD.
First sale doctrine means you can buy a disc for home use and lend it out. Typically, you do public performance with home use discs and a seperately obtained license (but it is possible to rent media with your license, etc).
> Maybe you, Fred Hacker, can get away with it, but a large multinational company cannot.
Back when Terry Semel (ex Warner Brothers CEO) was still CEO, Yahoo! would show Oscar screeners in the cafeteria of the best films nominees around that time. Answers to your questions would be 1) No, 2) yes, 3) I dunno, employee cafeteria sized... The organizers said that we were "just in Jerry and David's living room", strongly implying that no public performance rights were obtained, but I dunno. I also don't know if the official screener discs come with appropriate rights.
Well, I'm a hardball negotiator. You wouldn't think that, to look at me.
My data is at least 5 years out of date. But their list price used to be $250 per movie.
Eventually, a lawyer at Google SF got a global, unlimited license for the whole company, so I didn't have to negotiate anymore. I didn't even want to ASK the Motion Picture Licensing Corp. what that cost.
So we went through Swank for years and years. Those are the two distributors who have all the Hollywood movies. There are lots of smaller distributors, too.
One great benefit of Kanopy is that you can access pretty much entire catalog of Great Courses free with Kanopy here [0]. I love the breadth and depth of Great Courses when I want to learn various topics such as gardening, space exploration, ancient history etc.
Just add your multiple library cards and each video or set of videos would use a credit from your library for that month. Once all credits for a given library expire, you can connect Kanopy simply to a different library card with just one click.
I have to agree about the Great Courses. The ones I've watched have been very high quality, as good as the university courses that the universities will charge several thousand dollars to sit in. (Some fancy schools are hitting $8000 per course these days, at least at the list price before financial "aid" kicks in.)
Enjoy them. There's no reason to get poor to get an education.
Some describe the financial aid algorithm as, "Tell us how much money you have. Send it to us." Sure, it can be described as aid. It can also be described as a pricing algorithm designed to squeeze the maximum amount out of the customer.
Although the quality of the selection on Hoopla tends to be a bit meh (or maybe I’ve already seen the movies they have that I’d want to watch). They have a lot of direct to video knockoff films, like Monster Vs Giant Ape or Shark Storm.
Librarian here.
Please utilize the services your public library makes available to you for free!
Even virtual usage is enough to convince cities to not lower budgets.
We took massive hits to usage during the pandemic lockdowns, but you don't need to always come in to use your library!
Look out for Kanopy, Hoopla and Libby and more at your local library!
What is the best way to contact libraries/librarians for API access to their library?
I want to build an app which will dump me in random pages of my checkouted books, instead of me gathering energy to do it. I have other features planned.
I am stuck with how to interface with my local library, like Libby does. Any ideas ?
Libraries are just paying for the ability to offer Libby to patrons.
Libby then taps into a login API for the ILS a library uses to check if a patron's library card and PIN are tied to an eligible account, and Libby offers its own content based on whatever each library can afford to offer.
You would need to offer your own content, ultimately, with the Libby model.
Same goes for OverDrive, Hoopla and Kanopy.
My library has been really curtailing the amount I can use Hoopla… Libby is pretty good as long as I can find a less popular book (or wait in line), but Hoopla is almost always already at the daily lending limit.
Kanopy's prvacy policy says they collect data on the people using their service (including GPS coordinates), and they sell/share data with other 3rd parties including allowing Google to collect data on their users. They've also failed to reasonably secure user's data which has resulted in at least one data breach (https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/kanopy-streaming-...)
I haven't looked into Hoopla and Libby's policies yet, but I'd be willing to bet they're doing the same. Librarians have traditionally been very concerned with preserving the right to access content and information of all kinds without being monitored. They fought hard (and lost) against the US government being able to collect lists of the books and media users checked out from the library. It's odd to see a librarian advocate for people to use 3rd party services which will do exactly that along with far more invasive tracking.
I'm not just calling you out on this, although some have backed away from these services for various reasons (https://billypenn.com/2021/07/20/free-library-kanopy-movies-...) libraries around the country have embraced services which can track, censor, and put library user's data, privacy, and safety at risk. They advertise and push these services onto library patrons without informing them of the risks and without any mention of what card holders will be giving up by using them. Leaving it to library users to seek out and read through corporate privacy policies full of legal language and weasel wording seems very wrong to me.
In the US, as library card holders, we can't keep our reading lists out of the hands of the state, but we can do more to keep it out of the hands of private for profit companies and data brokers. I'm not saying there's no place for these types of services in libraries (although I'd love to see similar systems developed and operated entirely by library systems instead of 3rd parties), I just wish more libraries were looking out for the privacy of their users and were willing to do more of what they do best: keeping the people informed.
> I don’t think my Mac allows GPS to be passed, but IP gives an approximation. Not sure how to get around that.
I don't know how much apple restricts access to other things that can give away your location besides IP geolocation, but things like nearby wifi networks and nearby bluetooth beacons/devices are also being used to generate maps that can give extremely accurate location data. Typically cell tower data can ID a mobile device to within a mile or so, but where 5G is available the resolution is improved to feet instead of miles. If they can link the data they get from your library or from these streaming services to the data they get from your wireless provider they could know your part of town (4G) or which house (or even which room of that house) you're standing in (5G)
> Do you know if the library gives my address, etc?
To the feds? that's difficult to answer. The government doesn't give the public details of what kind of information they're taking and when. There's a decent article about the past collection of library data by the FBI and the resurgence of the practice post-9/11 here:
When they lost the fight to keep the government from snooping around some libraries responded by changing their data collection practices to limit as much as possible what data they had on their users. You can check with your library and see if they have your address on file. If they do, I would assume that it would be up for grabs if the government came knocking and I would recommend starting from the assumption that all available data is being collected routinely on everyone, from every location.
While the official line will be that this sort of collection by the state will be targeted (even if that means targeting everyone who checked out books about certain subjects or anyone who fits a certain profile) without a whistleblower willing to risk everything to come forward how could we ever really know the extent of the data collection taking place? One of the things that drove Snowden to become a whistleblower himself was that he knew from first hand experience that the then Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and the director of the NSA Keith Alexander (who is currently sitting on Amazon's board of directors) were lying to Congress while under oath about when where and how the agency was spying on Americans. There's really no reason to take these organizations at their word, or to assume that even those in the highest offices in our government would know what they were up to any better than you or I do.
Yeah, in that case it could just depend on how up to date their map of your nearby access points are. I haven't seen the “United States of Secrets” Frontline special, but I see it's on youtube so thanks for that!
While I am concerned about data brokers and tracking, it's my personal opinion that that's just the sad reality of technology and the internet today, and most people just don't care.
You and I may care about signing up for services and not being tracked across the internet for the kinds of interests we have, but the way I see it, and the way many suburban and rural libraries and librarians may also see it, our patrons were probably already going to subscribe to Netflix or Amazon Prime, and all their egregious privacy violations.
While most (I would hope) librarians would agree that keeping a patron's private information, including their reading and watching habits be kept secret, equal access to materials and information is far more important.
I would love if larger libraries could develop their own systems for free content that can be accessed by their patrons and perhaps even by other libraries, but that's just not the reality we live in.
Similar to how every IP holder wants to create their own subscription-based platforms for content, libraries would be like Netflix. The content people actually want will always be not on Netflix. In the end, many suburban and rural libraries are desperate for usage by their populace, no matter the cost to privacy.
Movies that are on DVD, are not among the
most popular, and/or are 20+ years old are
commonly available for sale, as DVDs,
on-line in essentially new condition used
for about $2 plus shipping, usually of
just a few dollars. If the movie is any
good, will want to see it more than once,
So, paying a few dollars for one view is a
bit too expensive!
I looked at their ad for their video
introduction to playing violin. As I
recall, they want $169 or so for their
course. Seems high!
Here I give an introduction to how to
start with violin.
Why violin? Classical solo music is
written mostly for piano or violin, and
the ensemble music is heavily dependent on
a section of violins. So, violin is very
important in music.
Now a lot of music can be generated by
software on computers, but generating all
the expressiveness of a good violin with
a good violinist would be a big challenge.
So, violins are not likely to be fully
replaced by computer generated music.
I learned to play violin, enough to make
it through parts of some of the most
important pieces, the Bach Chaconne,
etc.
Bach wrote that piece originally for solo
violin. E.g., as in:
Hilary Hahn
1,458,170 views Aug 15, 2020
Johann Sebastian Bach - Partita for
solo violin Nº 2 in D minor, BWV
1004.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngjEVKxQCWs
A version arranged for piano by Busoni is:
Bach, Busoni - Chaconne in D minor
BWV 1004 - Helene Grimaud (piano)
3,785,361 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9DlMNnpPM
After hear the piano version, that the
piece in its original form was for violin
is a bit amazing.
One version of an arrangement for
orchestra is:
Boston Symphony Orchestra - J.S.Bach
Partita in D Minor, Chaconne BWV 1004
124,435 views Apr 4, 2013
Orchestration by Hideo Saito
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WpzfAd5gXk
That here an orchestra keeps itself busy
playing a piece written just for solo
violin is even more amazing.
Another version for orchestra is:
Bach - Stokowski. Chaconne (1950)
214,972 views Jun 4, 2012
L'orchestration de la Chaconne de
J.S.Bach par Leopold Stokowski.
Enregistré en 1950.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEUYq5t-cCM
There are also solo organ performances.
For more violin music there is:
Antonio Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - Julia
Fischer - Performance Edit (Full HD 1080p)
3,567,731 views Jan 17, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-W3lfcVvY
with just excellent, world class, nearly
uniquely good, cases of (A) what violin
can and basically should sound like, (B)
violin tone quality and intonation
accuracy, (C) musical expression, and (D)
from the soloist Julia Fischer examples of
how to hold the violin and bow and nearly
everything about the left hand, tone
quality, intonation, etc. Just excellent.
For beginners I would mention that
sometimes she has less curve in her left
thumb than is usually recommended.
For a more modern view of what can be done
with violin music there is:
Sibelius / Jascha Heifetz, 1960:
Violin Concerto in D minor, Op. 47 -
Walter Hendl, CSO - Complete
184,884 views Jun 1, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpPYat2aRB4
The CD of that music, played directly, not
through YouTube, has significantly better
sound quality and a convincing example of
some of the reasons for the fame of
Heifetz. What he does with his violin is
beyond any simple explanation. A piano
player can hit a key, maybe with a pedal,
on a good piano, and that is about all;
not at all so for a violinist with a good
violin: There are the violin itself, the
strings and rosin selected by the
violinist, the bow itself and then the
tension, adjustable, on the bow hairs, the
bow contact area on the strings, the bow
pressure and speed, and then the effect of
the fingers of the left hand on the
strings. It all can make significant
differences.
Here are some good ways to start to learn
to play violin:
(1) Listen to some famous violin music,
say, on You...
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> Stream thousands of films for free, thanks to the generous support of your public library or university
Kanopy isn't non-profit is it? Either way, libraries and universities are paying fees to kanopy for licensed access. This is an odd way and potentially misleading way of putting it, "generous support". Will Elsevier start telling users they are getting "free access thanks to the generous support of your university" next, as if universities pay elsevier it's enormous fees out of "generosity"?
I have no idea what profit margin Kanopy makes, which is I guess how we'd determine if it was "gouging"? I don't know from "gouging".
One thing to keep in mind is that the selection is dependent on your local library, so the listing is a sum of the subsets but you can get a general idea of the content that's available there.
Disclaimer: I work at JustWatch
JustWatch is awesome.
Is there any way to know, with JustWatch, which free streaming services are available in Canada?
Yes, once you sign up there's a provider selection wizard that allows you to see a list of free services in your selected country. You can then also "batch add" all of them to your providers so they are always selected automatically.
It VERY much is. Used my community college login, and there was nothing at all, anywhere. My login for a largish state college was a little better, but not much...maybe 50 total items and all in the documentary, gender studies, and one other section.
Kanopy should probably work the UI a little for linked accounts to places that have nothing at all to offer...rather than having you create the login, verify an email, etc.
I generally prefer to walk over to my local library branch and browse their film collection in-person.
This offer here would be something I'd look into, except learning it hurts the library more than expected is a downer.
Which is likely an incentive for libraries to not expose those costs on a per-request basis. As thebitstick mentioned here[1], libraries want to encourage usage. Overall usage volume has already been budgeted for, so the variances between one request and another for a typical patron won't materially impact the overall capacity of a library from serving their patrons. Inversely, if exposing the individual request costs disincentive enough conscientious patrons from making those requests, it makes it more difficult for the library to justify the service at all and could result in the loss of budget to continue covering it. Which ends up being a net loss of access for those patrons which do not have the means to access it elsewhere and were reliant on the library for it.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31902549
Sounds like it’s not that far from a point where it’d be cheaper to just print a book on demand, mail it, and tell ‘em to just keep it or pass it on.
But to publishers, increasing the volume of printed copies of a given title is absolutely not equal to a library purchasing a single copy and physically handling it in circulation until it naturally degrades to the point of being trashed. Physically printing brand new copies for patrons to keep every time a book was 'checked-out' would pose such a materially large impact on sales volume that publishers flat out wouldn't allow it.
Even a perpetual license to loan a single copy of an ebook can cost a library upwards of $100[1], due to potential revenue impact to publishers/authors from having it in circulation in perpetuity without physical deterioration naturally limiting it's lifetime/volume of loans. And the number of simultaneous loans for a given title is generally restricted to the number of individual licenses you've paid for. If that's the case even for ebooks, you can imagine what they'd require to print a title on demand and give it away to a patron forever.
[1] https://www.authorsguild.org/industry-advocacy/a-new-twist-i...
Put another way, if my library dropped Kanopy, almost no one would notice. So it's hard to claim Kanopy is being "predatory" as another commenter mentioned.
I get that the infrastructure for streaming isn't cheap, and neither are the licensing fees, but this feels like price gouging. I know price gouging is a specific legal term but I'm speaking in the vernacular sense.
I also understand that my library has a lot more data to make the decision than my feeling of guilt. There's no need to speculate. Email your library and ask them:
"Would you prefer I stream title X from Kanopy, or check out the DVD?"
And also ask
"Would you prefer I stream title Y from Kanopy, for which you don't carry the DVD?"
Feel free to provide the context, expressing concerns that it'll potentially cost them over $150, and you're worried that they are being abused by Kanopy.
If the library's not willing to tell me to prefer the DVD, then I'm not concerned.
I feel better about $2, but it would still make me really think about whether I'd want to watch a movie that badly.
SFPL's annual operating budget (not including capex, and not including notional rent on buildings) is $160MM.
That's about $17/month per SF resident. Many SF residents don't use library services at all, so the $/month per MAU is likely mich higher ($50? $100?)
There's an app and it's nice to d/l a film to watch when I'm on the spin bike.
Books cost libraries money, too. Budgets come out of the taxes I pay.
"Then, we'll ask you for your public library card number and PIN/password"
That's a hard no.
Don't give your password to anyone
I think suspicion of any company that asks for your password with a third party is warranted. Asking for credentials like this not only teaches bad security practices, but even if Kanopy is trustworthy today, the company could easily be sold to a less trustworthy owner and all the data from your library account siphoned and sold to data brokers.
Kanopy uses your card number and PIN to access an API for whatever ILS the library allows Kanopy to point to. Libraries allow access when they pay for giving access to Kanopy for their patrons.
However, in theory, this could give Kanopy access to try and harvest checked out materials via our catalog with these credentials. In practice, we haven't seen them doing this. Your PIN/password should after all be different from the ones you use for every website.
Browse > Online Resources > Watch (streaming video) > Then pick what you want to access:
Additional info: Ancestry Online (this is now only possible on the library's computers, and not from home. Used this a lot for finding info on my past relatives, andAnother digital library functionality I use is [Libby](https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby), which lets me read library books on my Kindle or Kindle App. Saves me and my wife hundreds of dollars a year on books!
Also, some really smart UX/UI decisions in the app. And: I'm super-jaded about this stuff, but find the subtle "delighters" and microinteractions actually helpful and enhance the experience.
The especially interesting free set is (at least through my library), is a nearly full collection of the Greater Courses, a very high quality educational materials. You can see the official source here: https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses It is also a good way to find the actual course and then plug it into Kanopy.
Finally, searching Kanopy on the mobile phone app, bookmarking and then switching to TV app to actually watch is an easier workflow than trying to type things in TV interface.
Side note: In the mouths of marketers "thoughtful", "intentional", and "purposeful" are null words.
There are already more great movies/shows than one can watch in a lifetime, and we shouldn't incentivize the business of remakes of remakes of remakes.
Public libraries could use their funding for cooler stuff like letting people borrow musical instruments.
I did not. I don't see an article, just a landing page.
> because this is a service offering exactly the kind of content you are bemoaning the lack of.
I'm sure the Pirate Bay has a much larger catalog, with much less censorship.
PS: The Pirate Bay (and torrenting in general) is actually terrible for non-mainstream content. Like, look at the audiobook section... it's basically Harry Potter and a lot of "self help" psuedo-cultists.
Not really, I really mean it.
> Like, look at the audiobook section... it's basically Harry Potter and a lot of "self help" psuedo-cultists.
I agree, piracy hasn't done well when it comes to audiobooks.
The old search interface was nice. It was easy to get a list of newly-added items, sorted by date, with thumbnails and metadata. The new UI is just thumbnails in a horizontal "carousel" and you can only see metadata by clicking the thumbnail.
I don't know how anybody thought this was a good idea.
> As of July 1, 2019, The New York Public Library will no longer offer cardholders free access to video streaming platform Kanopy. The Library made this decision after a careful and thorough examination of its streaming offerings and priorities. We believe the cost of Kanopy makes it unsustainable for the Library, and that our resources are better utilized purchasing more in-demand collections such as books and e-books.
https://www.nypl.org/press/press-release/june-24-2019/statem...
People who say "they should just buy the DVD" are imagining that the library can just pay $20 or whatever, and then offer it to as many users as want to watch?
I don't think it works that way for libraries. Maybe someone who knows for sure can tell us? I'm guessing that they get the right to loan out the DVD physically but not electronically.
I ran the Cinema Club at Google for 10 years, and we made our lawyers happy by always paying "public performance rights" (PPRs) for all our flicks. When you buy a DVD, you get a license for "home viewing." That does not allow you to invite members of the public in to watch. You cannot show it in your bar or restaurant or at a place of business. Maybe you, Fred Hacker, can get away with it, but a large multinational company cannot.
When I negotiated PPRs with a film distributor, they always asked these questions:
1) Is the film showing advertised outside your company?
2) Is attendance limited to employees and their guests?
3) How big is the room? (or maybe it was "what's the average attendance?")
I didn't look into what public libraries pay for their movies, but I'm pretty sure it's more than you would pay to just buy the DVD.
I don’t think a library would sign up to Kanopy if it wasn’t somehow more attractive to them over DVDs.
Back when Terry Semel (ex Warner Brothers CEO) was still CEO, Yahoo! would show Oscar screeners in the cafeteria of the best films nominees around that time. Answers to your questions would be 1) No, 2) yes, 3) I dunno, employee cafeteria sized... The organizers said that we were "just in Jerry and David's living room", strongly implying that no public performance rights were obtained, but I dunno. I also don't know if the official screener discs come with appropriate rights.
My data is at least 5 years out of date. But their list price used to be $250 per movie.
Eventually, a lawyer at Google SF got a global, unlimited license for the whole company, so I didn't have to negotiate anymore. I didn't even want to ASK the Motion Picture Licensing Corp. what that cost.
So we went through Swank for years and years. Those are the two distributors who have all the Hollywood movies. There are lots of smaller distributors, too.
Just add your multiple library cards and each video or set of videos would use a credit from your library for that month. Once all credits for a given library expire, you can connect Kanopy simply to a different library card with just one click.
[0] https://www.kanopy.com/en/category/915
Enjoy them. There's no reason to get poor to get an education.
I want to build an app which will dump me in random pages of my checkouted books, instead of me gathering energy to do it. I have other features planned.
I am stuck with how to interface with my local library, like Libby does. Any ideas ?
Granted, they're unlikely to just give you special access, but you could at least learn something.
Libraries are just paying for the ability to offer Libby to patrons. Libby then taps into a login API for the ILS a library uses to check if a patron's library card and PIN are tied to an eligible account, and Libby offers its own content based on whatever each library can afford to offer.
You would need to offer your own content, ultimately, with the Libby model. Same goes for OverDrive, Hoopla and Kanopy.
I haven't looked into Hoopla and Libby's policies yet, but I'd be willing to bet they're doing the same. Librarians have traditionally been very concerned with preserving the right to access content and information of all kinds without being monitored. They fought hard (and lost) against the US government being able to collect lists of the books and media users checked out from the library. It's odd to see a librarian advocate for people to use 3rd party services which will do exactly that along with far more invasive tracking.
I'm not just calling you out on this, although some have backed away from these services for various reasons (https://billypenn.com/2021/07/20/free-library-kanopy-movies-...) libraries around the country have embraced services which can track, censor, and put library user's data, privacy, and safety at risk. They advertise and push these services onto library patrons without informing them of the risks and without any mention of what card holders will be giving up by using them. Leaving it to library users to seek out and read through corporate privacy policies full of legal language and weasel wording seems very wrong to me.
In the US, as library card holders, we can't keep our reading lists out of the hands of the state, but we can do more to keep it out of the hands of private for profit companies and data brokers. I'm not saying there's no place for these types of services in libraries (although I'd love to see similar systems developed and operated entirely by library systems instead of 3rd parties), I just wish more libraries were looking out for the privacy of their users and were willing to do more of what they do best: keeping the people informed.
Do you know if the library gives my address, etc?
I don't know how much apple restricts access to other things that can give away your location besides IP geolocation, but things like nearby wifi networks and nearby bluetooth beacons/devices are also being used to generate maps that can give extremely accurate location data. Typically cell tower data can ID a mobile device to within a mile or so, but where 5G is available the resolution is improved to feet instead of miles. If they can link the data they get from your library or from these streaming services to the data they get from your wireless provider they could know your part of town (4G) or which house (or even which room of that house) you're standing in (5G)
> Do you know if the library gives my address, etc?
To the feds? that's difficult to answer. The government doesn't give the public details of what kind of information they're taking and when. There's a decent article about the past collection of library data by the FBI and the resurgence of the practice post-9/11 here:
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/FBI-checking-out-Ame...
When they lost the fight to keep the government from snooping around some libraries responded by changing their data collection practices to limit as much as possible what data they had on their users. You can check with your library and see if they have your address on file. If they do, I would assume that it would be up for grabs if the government came knocking and I would recommend starting from the assumption that all available data is being collected routinely on everyone, from every location.
While the official line will be that this sort of collection by the state will be targeted (even if that means targeting everyone who checked out books about certain subjects or anyone who fits a certain profile) without a whistleblower willing to risk everything to come forward how could we ever really know the extent of the data collection taking place? One of the things that drove Snowden to become a whistleblower himself was that he knew from first hand experience that the then Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and the director of the NSA Keith Alexander (who is currently sitting on Amazon's board of directors) were lying to Congress while under oath about when where and how the agency was spying on Americans. There's really no reason to take these organizations at their word, or to assume that even those in the highest offices in our government would know what they were up to any better than you or I do.
You and I may care about signing up for services and not being tracked across the internet for the kinds of interests we have, but the way I see it, and the way many suburban and rural libraries and librarians may also see it, our patrons were probably already going to subscribe to Netflix or Amazon Prime, and all their egregious privacy violations.
While most (I would hope) librarians would agree that keeping a patron's private information, including their reading and watching habits be kept secret, equal access to materials and information is far more important.
I would love if larger libraries could develop their own systems for free content that can be accessed by their patrons and perhaps even by other libraries, but that's just not the reality we live in. Similar to how every IP holder wants to create their own subscription-based platforms for content, libraries would be like Netflix. The content people actually want will always be not on Netflix. In the end, many suburban and rural libraries are desperate for usage by their populace, no matter the cost to privacy.
I looked at their ad for their video introduction to playing violin. As I recall, they want $169 or so for their course. Seems high!
In
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31903188
I give an introduction to playing violin.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31903157
post in this thread about Kanopy.
Here I give an introduction to how to start with violin.
Why violin? Classical solo music is written mostly for piano or violin, and the ensemble music is heavily dependent on a section of violins. So, violin is very important in music.
Now a lot of music can be generated by software on computers, but generating all the expressiveness of a good violin with a good violinist would be a big challenge. So, violins are not likely to be fully replaced by computer generated music.
I learned to play violin, enough to make it through parts of some of the most important pieces, the Bach Chaconne, etc.
Bach wrote that piece originally for solo violin. E.g., as in:
A version arranged for piano by Busoni is: After hear the piano version, that the piece in its original form was for violin is a bit amazing.One version of an arrangement for orchestra is:
That here an orchestra keeps itself busy playing a piece written just for solo violin is even more amazing.Another version for orchestra is:
There are also solo organ performances.For more violin music there is:
with just excellent, world class, nearly uniquely good, cases of (A) what violin can and basically should sound like, (B) violin tone quality and intonation accuracy, (C) musical expression, and (D) from the soloist Julia Fischer examples of how to hold the violin and bow and nearly everything about the left hand, tone quality, intonation, etc. Just excellent. For beginners I would mention that sometimes she has less curve in her left thumb than is usually recommended.For a more modern view of what can be done with violin music there is:
The CD of that music, played directly, not through YouTube, has significantly better sound quality and a convincing example of some of the reasons for the fame of Heifetz. What he does with his violin is beyond any simple explanation. A piano player can hit a key, maybe with a pedal, on a good piano, and that is about all; not at all so for a violinist with a good violin: There are the violin itself, the strings and rosin selected by the violinist, the bow itself and then the tension, adjustable, on the bow hairs, the bow contact area on the strings, the bow pressure and speed, and then the effect of the fingers of the left hand on the strings. It all can make significant differences.Here are some good ways to start to learn to play violin:
(1) Listen to some famous violin music, say, on You...