I'm Peter Roberts, immigration attorney who does work for YC and startups. AMA

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I work at a large corp

I want to take part in Iceland's long term remote worker visa to visit for 6 months

HR thinks this may be a tax liability, but the duration is explicitly less than long enough to be considered a tax resident

Is there an issue with the large corp having an office in Iceland or is HR being overly cautious?

(extra detail I don't think should matter: I'm Canadian, company is American)

The gentleman is a US immigration attorney, not an international tax expert and corporate therapist.
The way most digital nomads (including myself) approach this is to not be an employee, but rather a contractor. I'm an Australian and run an Estonian company (it's far from the only option, but they make it very easy). I invoice my customers for long term contract work.

Assuming your large corp / HR are friendly, they might even be willing to switch to a contractor relation (depending on the juristiction this might not be allowed, e.g. Germany is very tough on contractors as employees).

This prevents the biggest problem of large corporates. Being in the country with employees might make you a 'permanent establishment' and therefore liable for local tax law.

Worth looking into Estonia's e-residency program and suppliers like xolo.io (The leap product, not the Go product).

Beyond the contractor solution you could go for a Place of Employment (POE) solution like remote.com or Deel. The POE would employ you and ensure the tax and employment liabilities are taken care of.
What tools and/or services do you recommend to startups looking to access the global market for employees?
Would this be to employ these individuals in the U.S. or remotely?
Let's say US unless you have strong opinions on the later as well.
Deel, Remote, Pilot
Those tools and from a purely U.S. immigration standpoint, take a hard look at people from countries with their own U.S. work visas since these are often easy to obtain.
Are these all of the countries with their own US work visas?

  H-1B1: Chile and Singapore
  TN: Canada and Mexico
  E3: Australia
Thanks for doing this! Can a person on H1b work remotely in the US for their own company outside the US? They'd pay taxes on any international income. Also what if they didn't work but own the company and receive income?
U.S. immigration law doesn't apply to those outside the U.S. so there's no immigration issue with working for your own company while outside the U.S.
I think the question is - someone outside the US has a business, moves to the US on an H1B, and wants to continue working for their outside-the-US business.
Sorry I meant working inside the US for company registered outside the US
(You misread)
US immigration law hasn't caught up with remote employment but the short answer is no and this makes sense since this would allow anyone in the U.S. to circumvent U.S. immigration law simply by setting up an entity outside the U.S. and then getting paid by this entity.
My (non-proberts) understanding is that H-1B is for US employers to bring in specific individuals because their skills are hard to find in the US. If I've understood you correctly, your scenario isn't relevant to that.
What options does an Indian engineer stuck in the green card backlog have? Do they perpetually continue renewing their H1-B? Does this mean that they are somewhat limited in terms of being able to switch jobs?
Yup that's the idea, somehow most folks seem ok with it and don't voice their opinions to politicians.
Well people who are okay will obviously not voice opinion. Those who are not okay have to raise their voice.
Because a) folks that are the most impacted by this cannot vote and b) IIRC there are even limits imposed on political activity by visa holders, they get slightly relaxed when you get a green card (but do check it out, IANAL and may be misremembering).
It depends on where you are in the green card process. If you are somehow in the last stage, with a pending I-485 application, you do have job flexibility (known as portability). Short of that, the only way to get out of this awful loop is to pursue a self-sponsored EB1A green card, but the standard is high as you probably know.
I am moving to either London or Canada. Applying for express entry next year. If I can get my Canadian residency by 2024, then I'll move to Canada. Otherwise, apply for a transfer to the London office.

Sometime, in the future, if I can have $800K to spare, then will go for EB-5. Although, this may take about a decade.

> I am moving to either London or Canada.

rather than London, ON, Canada ? :) I hear it's a lovely town.

Hi Peter! For H1B visa holders, is there any way to start a company and remain in charge (whether as CEO or not)? From what I find online you can only be employed as a H1B holder, but if I start a company I would want to have full control of it.
Full control isn't an option but one can be a CEO and even own a substantial portion of a company in H-1B status. This is one of the reasons that founders get O-1s and not H-1Bs.
The H1B situation in the US has been described as very "luck" based to me, and some have called it "a mess". Is that still the case? How much does it actually depend on luck, or other factors such as country of origin, occupation, etc.?
If you are not from India/China its all good otherwise its a 100yr wait currently.So yeah country based discrimination baked into US immigration law sucks.
The OP asked about H1B and I think you are talking about green card.

Btw 100 years for a green card? I don't think Chinese citizens have such a long wait although Indians have to wait a long time.

> So yeah country based discrimination baked into US immigration law sucks.

While it sucks for an individual from a high-emigration country, if one of the goals of immigration policy is greater diversity, than country-based discrimination is a fair solution.

It's luck in the sense that for your first H-1B, you must go through a lottery (a completely random selection process). The actual adjudication and approval of an H-1B petition, if the individual is selected in the lottery, for individuals with good educational backgrounds, is actually pretty easy. It's getting picked in the lottery that's the hard part.
Hi,

If a startup is incorporated in one of the states from overseas, can founders be eligible for work-visas (I remember reading that an investment of more than USD500K may allow eligibility for some visas (F1?) but don't know if this is the case for startups, and besides, there were some requirements in terms of jobs creation if I remember well).

Thanks.

As a general rule, the U.S. immigration options for founders are the same as the U.S. immigration options for non-founders. The question is what nonimmigrant/temporary work visa would a founder qualify for and this would depend on a variety of factors. The work visas that we typically look at for founders are the O-1, L-1, E-1 and E-2, and H-1B unless the founder is a citizen of a country with its own visa (Australia, Canada, Chile, Mexico, and Singapore).
1. Do you have some estimate about the time it takes to go from a TN Visa (Mexican Citizen) to obtain a green card?

2. If, for some reason (layoffs, company dissapears, etc.) the whole green card process is not finished, then it means that i will not be able to get a new TN visa correct?

1) It depends on the green card path and has nothing to with being in TN status but the default employer-sponsored green card path (PERM/labor certification) is taking 2-3 years right now. 2) It's not a definite no but your demonstration of intent to get a green card could compromise your ability to get a TN, particularly in the short-term.
Is it possible to apply for O1 visa to create a US startup? What are the odds?
Yes. The odds depend almost entirely on the strength of the individual's background or more specifically whether he or she meets enough of the O-1 criteria. But the O-1 if oftentimes is in reach of founders because - I would argue - the O-1 criteria favor founders over non-founders.
How is the situation for Canadian citizens these days? Is it easier for us to come in as management or engineering?
What's your estimate for current processing times of NIW EB2 applications and what are the chances of that getting premium processing for applications in the coming months?
There's so much variation right now but we are seeing - even without premium processing - much faster adjudication of I-140 NIW petitions, shorting the process by 6+ months. My feeling is that before the end of 2023 premium processing will be available for all I-140 NIW petitions, not just those that have been pending for a while.
Is there any way to "reactivate" expired green card? It expired 8 years ago as due family reasons I needed to live abroad.
Depending on the exact circumstances you might be able to try the SB-1 route, otherwise no, you are essentially starting over.
It's unlikely but the SB1 route would be the way to find out.
As a French founder, am I authorized to do a business trip in the US (meet local customers, pitch product features, invite prospects at a restaurant) with a simple ESTA?
Yes but you need to be careful because the line between business development/marketing and work - at least as perceived by CBP officers - can get blurred. I am assuming that the only company here is your company in France, and not in the U.S.
at least as perceived by CBP officers

How do they judge the thing, by the content of your phone or computer?

If they are really concerned or suspicious, they will sometimes ask to see your phone or computer. But their analysis is what in fact the individual will be doing in the U.S. - that is, will he or she be doing productive work - and who is the primary beneficiary of the individual's activities.
What if I refuses to unlock laptop or phone, can I go home (outside the U.S)?
Thank you for doing this. My question is almost anti-specific - can you give a helicopter view of immigration processes - what is an H1B. Is that the only route in? what's the advantages and disadvantages?

(It might help to say I am envisaging a similar AMA for a (different) partner who might explain pre-money valuations or best way to use SAFE or ways to find investors. I think I am interested in the general best practise if that makes sense?)

Can a non-US-citizen solo founder with a US startup sponsor themselves to do work in the US? As an Australian citizen could the company I founded fill the LCA form for an E-3?
Without going into the specifics, there are many Australian founders in the U.S. on the E-3 visa but this is problematic/challenging for solo founders.
Not proberts, but I followed that path. It's possible, but your odds of success are proportional to how legitimate the US business is. "Legitimacy" is easily verified by having substantial revenue, investments, co-founders, and other employees. If the business has no meaningful trade, the odds of success are minimal. That is, just registering a company in the US will do little to support your case.
Thank you for this!

I work for a US startup, but based in the UK (hired via an intermediary like Deel/Remote.com). At this point in time, are there any avenues to joining my colleagues in the US other than waiting for the H1B application window next year?

Assuming that you are a citizen of a country that doesn't have its own visa, then the only options are the O-1 and E-2 (but the E-2 is only an option if the U.S. company is owned by citizens of the same country as you and there's been a substantial investment into the company by citizens of that country).
I'm on H1b. Can I found a startup?

Also, what options do I have to grow a project while I work full-time?

The fact I can't earn income from alternative work is a huge demotivator from starting anything for me. I won't know if I want to work full-time on a startup I found unless I see MRR first.

The answer is complex and nuanced unfortunately. You absolutely cannot get compensated by another source unless that compensation/work has been authorized by USCIS. One option is to obtain a concurrent part-time H-1B through your company. This has its own challenges because of the newness of the company and the founder's ownership in and control of the startup. There are however many things that a founder can do in connection with his or her own startup while in H-1B status with another company without crossing the line.
Regarding the O-1 visa class as a consideration to migrate to the States:

1) What is the threshold for extraordinary? How is extraordinary established?

2) Is there a quota on the number of visas issued per year? Related, is there a quota on the number of visas per country of birth?

I'm not Peter, but I guess I can answer this:

1) For O1 it's checking the boxes - one paper or one award is the same as 10 papers or 10 awards. Even for non-technical people where papers aren't really a thing, an article about a company was written in a high-profile website and that persons name was mentioned. He got an O1. I also know a strong competitive programmer (but no other achievements of value) who got it - presumably his masters thesis from 3-rd tier uni in Eastern Europe was used as "published research". So if you can work on checking the boxes - getting a patent / a published paper / an article about you in a reputable venue, you can get an O1. You just need 3 out of 9 or 10. So threshold is achievable if you work on it.

2) No.

Well said!
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How come everyone isn't on an O1 instead of trying things like H1B?

Getting a paper published seems a relatively low bar - first year PhD students manage it just fine, someone working in industry should be ok doing it.

Some reasons would be:

* It takes work to get those 3 boxes unless you already have them - so a typical contractor from Infosys or EPAM won't have them. For H1B you just apply. * H1B is cheaper (fixed fees vs 5-10k to prep O1 application) * H1B is actually in many ways a better visa! It's 3 years with 3 years extension, O1s are shorter, so for 6 years you'd have to do more than one renewal. H1B allows you to switch companies rather easily, for O1 you'd have to apply again.

So for some people the strategy is do H1B and if that fails (lottery), do O1 instead.

A few years ago I hired a machinist on an O visa. He didn't even have a high school degree but years of specialization and experience. The package the lawyer assembled was pretty large to get over those kinds of hurdles.

We hired a bunch of machinists. This guy was worth his weight in gold and nobody ever asked "why did you bother to bring in someone from another country?"

Thank you for your answer. Are the rules and thresholds identical for the EB-1 visa as well?
1) It's less about whether the individual is extraordinary and more about whether he or she can check - through evidence - at least 3 of the O-1 boxes. 2) There are no O-1 quotas.
Ohhh, I asked a question last time on what technologists can do to help out and I'll ask it again.

What can technologists do to help out the legal field, specifically in immigration land?

Do you mean to improve/automate the immigration process?
Yeah, I had a lawyer buddy a long time ago tell me sometimes there's not a lot of improvement of technology coming down to the legal field because the overlap on "tech nerd" and "legal scholar" is kinda not there.

Is there something missing in the legal field that makes you think "this is 2022, this should be easier"?

Hi Peter, this is awesome. Thanks!

Say a US employer has about 1000 employees who are all residing in the US (so payroll is only set up to handle US taxes and so forth) because it was all commuters until the pandemic. Now there are many remote employees, and that won't change (i.e., no "return to office" unwinding of remote arrangements) so some are starting to move across the country. No problem.

When a remote employee says they're starting the process of moving to Canada and obtaining Canadian citizenship and prefers to keep their current job, how much effort goes into achieving that on the employer's side? Is it typical to convert their role from employee to contractor as a way to minimize the headache until there are many such employees?

A very interesting question but outside my limited area of expertise.
You could also consider an EOR like remote.com or deel to hire them as employees abroad without needing to register your own business there and deal with benefits payroll taxes etc.

There is risk in misclassifying employees as contractors in many countries.

Hello! Thank you for doing this. My question:As a green card holder, do I have to be in the US at least 6 months of the year OR I cannot spend more than 6 months outside of the US (5 months outside, 1 in US, 5 months outside, would be authorized ).

Thank you very much

The 5 months out / 1 mo in / 5 mo out again would be frowned upon by the admitting officer. They still have to let you in, but you risk being referred to an immigration judge depending on how the officer is feeling that day.

As per the handbook (https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-d-chapter...):

> An officer must review extended or frequent absences from the United States to determine whether an applicant has met the burden of establishing that he or she has maintained LPR status. This applies regardless of length of time or if the applicant was permitted to return to the United States as an LPR at the port of entry after the absence.

So even if you risk it it'll still reflect poorly during naturalisation.

Putting aside the impact of time outside on the ability to naturalize, from a maintenance of green card standpoint, you can spend more than 6 months outside and keep your green card. The easiest way to do this is to get a reentry permit.
How high is the bar to qualify for a O-1B visa (yes, I do mean O-1B), specifically the "evidence demonstrating your extraordinary ability"?
From what I understand, in the realm of Nobel Prize, Oscar/Academy, etc. winner. Especially in a way that would greatly benefit the US.

It's an extremely tough category.

https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-6-part-f-chapter-...

The O-1B standard is different from and much easier to meet than the O-1A standard and it is often within reach of talented artists, designers, etc. One of the reasons for this is that unlike the O-1A, letters from critics, experts, etc. check one of the O-1B boxes/criteria whereas in the O-1A context such letters are simply evidence in support of one of the O-1A boxes/criteria.
What are the risks of NIW EB2 application for the following person type (and what letters should focus on): founding engineer at a well-funded and reasonably successful startup, decent achievements in programming competitions plus a cited paper and a patent to check the box, but definitely not a well-known leader of any field?
IANAL, not legal advice, etc.

The NIW specifically waives the PERM, but everything else is basically the same. There's 2 parts:

- Advanced degree (ie masters or PhD) or exceptional ability, more specifically 3 of the following 6:

> An official academic record showing that the beneficiary has a degree, diploma, certificate, or similar award from a college, university, school, or other institution of learning relating to the area of exceptional ability;

> Evidence in the form of letter(s) from current or former employer(s) showing that the beneficiary has at least 10 years of full-time experience in the occupation in which he or she is being sought;

> A license to practice the profession or certification for a particular profession or occupation;

> Evidence that the beneficiary has commanded a salary or other remuneration for services that demonstrates exceptional ability. (To satisfy this criterion, the evidence must show that the beneficiary has commanded a salary or remuneration for services that is indicative of his or her claimed exceptional ability relative to others working in the field);

> Evidence of membership in professional associations; and

> Evidence of recognition for achievements and significant contributions to the industry or field by peers, governmental entities, or professional or business organizations.

For you patent + salary + winning competitions is probably good enough.

- Waiver is in the "national interest" of the US, which has 3 prongs:

> The person’s proposed endeavor has both substantial merit and national importance;

This may be the hardest portion for you. To quote the manual:

> In determining national importance, the officer’s analysis should focus on what the beneficiary will be doing rather than the specific occupational classification ... if the evidence of record demonstrates that the person’s proposed endeavor has the significant potential to broadly enhance societal welfare or cultural or artistic enrichment, or to contribute to the advancement of a valuable technology or field of study, it may rise to the level of national importance

Depending on what you and your startup does, this may either be very hard or very easy. You have to show that you'll be working on something that "may rise to the level of national importance", which hopefully your startup is doing.

> The person is well positioned to advance the proposed endeavor; and

You're already working as an engineer, presumably doing the thing you said you'll do in prong 1. A freebie.

> On balance, it would be beneficial to the United States to waive the job offer and thus the permanent labor certification requirements.

This also has 3 factors:

> The impracticality of a labor certification application;

> The benefit to the United States from the prospective noncitizen’s contributions, even if other U.S. workers were also available; and

> The national interest in the person’s contributions is sufficiently urgent, such as U.S. competitiveness in STEM fields.

Usually STEM people get through on the 2nd or 3rd part, especially if the factors in prongs 1 and 2 are good enough.

If I were you, I would focus your letters on the national importance of what you're doing and on the 3rd prong of how you'll be beneficial to the country. This is where lawyers are really helpful in drafting the letters, but you may choose to do that on your own. Read https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-6-part-f-chapter-... the entire chapter very carefully beforehand though.

What does the company do? What's your educational background?
Do you just try to get founders on work visas, or do you go for green cards as well? I know EB2-NIW is a popular path for folks in academia, do you have comments on how easy/difficult each path is?
We do both as most immigration attorneys do and for those in academia, the NIW green card path is often within easy reach.
How are the odds for bringing your remote employees to US using the L1 visa? They've worked for us for more than 5 years in management role. Also the startup got acquired sometime ago, does that impact the L1 application?
If these employees manage other employees now and will manage other employees in the U.S., then the odds are high actually. Conversely, if these employees aren't managing any employees and won't be managing any employees in the U.S., then, unless their work is highly complex and technical, the odds are low. Does the acquiring company also own the company abroad?
yup - some documentation/legal work remains but they should be able own the company abroad as a subsidiary soon.

how would you suggest we should pursue this once all the paperwork is done? hire an immigration lawyer? any recommendations? we are non-YC.