Ask HN: Taking 6-12 months off work?

26 points by bosch_mind ↗ HN
I’ve been slowly burning out for the last couple years and basically have lost all motivation at work driving me to constant depression. To add on, I’ve been really sick on and off, sometimes for weeks at a time.

I’m 28 and have around 600k with maybe 65k in emergency cash. Unfortunately I live in a HCOL area in the US, but am thinking a 6-12 month sabbatical would do wonders for me both in the short and long term.

I’m just looking to get some advice from the community here. I have a stock grant coming up soon that should help cover at least 6 months of expenses as well.

I’m not really interested in finding another job first then taking a few weeks off as I don’t feel it’s the job specifically but my current state of mind and health.

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I'd love to do this, and could afford it.

I'm old enough (40s) that I fear my career would never recover.

When I think about the last 6 months of tech in my field, not much has changed. What are you worried about career wise?
Age related discrimination is pretty prevalent - especially in startups for IC / SWE roles.
Exactly this. Middle aged white guy problems I guess.
In my mid-50s, and a consultant for a F500 - I've not had any issues with age discrimination. I tend to think its mostly a matter of staying up to date, and weeding out places that want to pay fresh graduate rates for experienced personnel.
I'm older than you by a good measure, and I did this last year. I came back, decided to quit my job entirely, then found a better job for more pay at the start of the year. Your mileage will vary, of course, but there are still large segments of the industry where experience is an asset and not a liability.
>> there are still large segments of the industry where experience is an asset and not a liability.

I gotta agree with this, I'm mid 50s and got 'hired' 3 times in the last 2 years (once with actual employer, twice with clients 'accepting' me to project teams). If you stay relevant, there's still a lot of work.

Your savings are impressive for your age, so good work there

You may be overestimating the time you need to "recover"...my guess is you will be fine after a couple of weeks of low stress and a change of scenery

As to living in a HCOL area...the stress won't end, look at relocating.

Mental and physical health are always priority number one. Do whatever you feel is required to get your health back. Try asking for a sabbatical if possible because job searching again is a nuisance in itself, and you will also have to worry about health insurance if you are unemployed.

That said, a year-long break doesn't matter at all in the long run. You should travel around and have fun. There is this quote, "in youth, we often lack money, in middle age we lack time, and in old age, we lack energy." Your circumstances are quite favorable as you have all three of them. So have fun man and come back stronger.(that is if you ever want to come back)

Health is important but be careful, economically the 'no landing' scenario that is unwinding right now is super dangerous for job seekers in your sabbatical timeframe. If you're seriously considering it, have an emergency plan for moving to a LCOL place.

(There's a nonzero chance of being hit by a layoff in this time no matter what you do or where you work, so you can kind of hope it happens and take your extended time off if it does.)

ask yourself, what's the alternative? just keep going forever until something breaks?
Take the opportunity to address chronic health issues before age 30. You have plenty of financial margin.
If I were you I’d move to somewhere in Europe for a year. Probably would learn a language while there. Probably would relax for a couple of months and then work on a hobby project (not necessarily writing code).

I’d also look into buying real estate for the 600k and renting it out - this could fund your sabbatical indefinitely.

Get professional help ASAP vs asking unqualified techies

Your employer is likely down for you to go part-time. Not clear if unemployment or new job will actually help, and even if so, way better to find a new job from a position of employment vs unemployment, esp as there are good reasons to think employment market will be even more brutal EOY.

Do it! The question is if you will want to get back to your old type of work. I was out for 3 months and I wanted to vomit seeing my old code afterwards. Couple years later or now I need to plan a job change and I don’t know where to start, because I don’t want to continue as a coding guy.
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I did 6 months and would recommend. In my case it was much more being burnt out on the job than programming so I kept busy contributing to open source.
Economy is shit. Wait to get fired with severance.

Also consider that your HCOL area is part of the problem.

Did 12 months between jobs, 2020-2021. Highly recommend if you can. At the start of it I didn't think I'd ever want to be a programmer again. About 6 months of rest later I was good to go, but eased into it.
How were you able to accumulate 600k by 28?
Probably working in big tech and riding the wave of zero interest rates.
Pretty much this. Grinding leetcode, constantly negotiating higher pay and getting massive bonuses early in my career. I’ve invested wisely and lived a simple life earlier on
Damn I need to get on that grind too. Any tips on getting to the interview stages? Did you just message recruiters for those companies?
You don't even need to do this much. If you started as an entry-level new grad engineer at a FAANG-equivalent company at 21 you'd have 600K saved up by 28 by following the normal career progression ladder. You wouldn't have to hustle or grind, just coast. And not have obscene expenses of course.
To get in initially, you do need to grind Leetcode at least.
I went to grad school so maybe slight set back
You can do that in just 3 years at FAANG at L5+ level.
Long vacations aren't helping much with burnout and depression related - that's what I read just today and I totally agree. I'm fighting this thing for years.

If you can lower your hours/day AND if you can take few days off much more frequently - that should help in the long term.

I’m the opposite - low hours and frequent days off don’t help me with burnout - I need to forget all about work and unplug completely for a long time.
I think this is very dependent on what you do during the hours you’re not working. If you’re just scrolling your phone or playing video games, that’s probably not very restorative. A key thing would be to do other things, like exercise, take a cooking class, be social with other people, etc.
My 6 month Sabbatical is now one month in. It's my first one after four years at my current employer.

I really enjoy my work, but I still took this opportunity to try new things and be able to really live in the moment without any responsibilities or appointments getting in the way.

What’s the plan after in current economy?
You're 28? Dude, go travel the world. Don't spend much money either. Some of the best times of my life were just hanging out with people I met traveling on the cheap.

I'd also suggest a little pet project while you travel. 6 months to a year is a long time, so it's relatively easy to spend an hour or two a week on something that you kinda wish you had picked up before but hadn't given yourself the time for.

About 2 months before your sabbatical ends, start putting feelers out there for another gig. Gives you a little bit more time to start re-adjusting

+1 to this. Come through Berlin, I'll show you around. Seriously, travel!
Couldn’t agree more. Travel travel travel. By land and sea. Did it twice, for 6 months and then 10 months. To see a big chunk of this world we live on (only for a brief period) is something few humans in all of history get to do. And then for the rest of your life, diving into the memories and telling the stories is about a million times better than you can imagine even while travelling.
I traveled and disagree with the statement. Have goals in life? Tune traveling with those. Traveling is expensive, so the rate of return should be comparable.

Main goal from my perspective would be to determining where you would like to live

I did this in 2017 when I was 30 or so. Very similar situation to you. Ended up taking around 9 months in total off. Traveled a lot. Worked on personal projects. Picked up chess as a hobby.

Highly recommend it if you’re able to.

If I had 600k I’d retire and work part time and I’m twice your age, take a whole year!
My wife and I are 32, and just both quit our bay area tech jobs. We're moving to Europe for a year. Plan is to explore / adventure and spend some time thinking about what we want to do next. The way we see it, it'll be much harder to do this with kids, so this is kind of the last chance to do it. And with our work experience we can just move back and start working again whenever we want.

You're in a great place with your savings. I say go for it! You'll have the adventure of a lifetime.

Keep in mind without residency Americans can only stay in Europe (Schengen zone) for 90 days in any 180 day window.
Yes luckily we are dual citizens
Ha, doing the same with my wife this year! Happy to catch up in Europe sometime.

As nested comment said, some planning is needed to pack it in 90 day slots every 180 days :)

Edit: saw your other reply - good for you two :)

Very cool! Shoot me a note, I'd love to hear about your plans
Some suggestions:

* Spend a little time thinking about what you're hoping to get out of this break. Try to come up with some concrete goals. Write them down. It doesn't necessarily have to involve an extensive to-do list, which might feel overwhelming. But maybe a handful of goals related to your mental or physical health?

* Do you rent or own your home? Can you sublet or rent out? Consider spending at least some of the time in a different part of the country. If there's some place that interests you and has lower cost of living, all the better.

* Let you professional network know about this. And try to find some time to reconnect with colleagues and friends during this period. This will likely help you when you're ready to return to work.

* Be mindful of the fact that you are in a position that is unattainable for practically everyone else. Very, very few people have the financial means to stop working for an extended period. Don't take the break for granted.

* Traveling can broaden your horizons, but it also has a way of helping you better appreciate what you have at home. As Chesterton wrote, "The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one’s own country as a foreign land."

* I'm not sure where your interests lie, but one important contributor to personal fulfillment is helping others. Consider looking for opportunities to volunteer.

* A lot of people think burnout is purely a result of being overworked. But researchers who study burnout point out that there are two other contributors: cynicism/detachment and inefficacy. Basically, if you're not finding meaning in your work, and you're not seeing the fruits of your accomplishments, that can burn you out even if you're not particularly overworked. So when it's time to return to work, be on the lookout for these things, because you don't want to go through this cycle again.

Some wild suggestions below about not doing it because of the economy.

You're 28 dude. Go spend 5% of the cash you have in the bank and travel the world for a year.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting to work right now or jump to your next job if you don't know what you want. Mental health and well being aside. If you need the finances then you need a job and that is a different problem. If you have the vest and you don't need the job for money, just take the break. The stigma around it why we need to justify it shouldn't exist. We afraid it makes us look lazy, etc. Some people are maybe. But don't worry about it. Be the author and creator of your own life. Posting this question is like posting "Should I wash my car?"

I've taken myself out of work 3 times. 12 months, then 6 months and now currently 24 months. Between and around those breaks worked at various silicon valley companies (nvidia, google, startups, major open source non profits)

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