It can be remarkably hard to memorialise family and friends with a bench, anywhere you see them is flooded with requests and anywhere you don't see them it's often a policy decision.
They also incur maintenance burdens.
Park and garden staff can be very helpful finding locations. We've had suggestions made which went directly to need, over beauty. If the beautiful spot you want is taken do think about need: older people and mums with kids value park benches everywhere. (As do rough sleepers)
(Have been there, have park benches memorialising family arranged by others)
One time while hiking off-trail in the San Gabriel mountains, I stumbled on a memorial bench. The bench was dedicated to a child who died just a few hours after birth. Given its remoteness, whoever installed the bench must have hiked the materials and tools in, climbing almost 2,000 feet over 5-6 miles, probably several times, transporting hundreds of pounds.
Contemplating that, the love this person felt to motivate that, I was overcome with emotion and had to sit for a while.
Well there’s always Marxism which gave us the concept of the lumpenproletariat, unproductive or wasted labour. Marx described them as a parasitical group that exploits society for its own ends, and commentators have noted that he used the term as a sort of sociological profanity. Lovely.
The Soviet Union tried to solve homelessness by placing homeless people in other peoples homes by dictat. It didn’t work, so they made homelessness a crime for refusal to contribute productively to society, rounded them up and put them in detention centres. It still didn’t work and by the 80s there were hundreds of thousands of homeless people on the streets of Moscow, all criminalised and subject to arbitrary harassment and detention.
There's many countries that have higher productivity per hour and higher GDPs than the US that don't just do capitalism for everything : Germany, Austra, Norway etc.
The market for land is created in law, it can be changed in law. This is different to cars or corn or bricks, - if you invest of those the world is richer one brick, car or bit of corn. IF you invest in land the money just sits there and that piece of paper means you can call the police if challenged. The question of land distribution is a social and legal question independent of the real economy. The beginning of land rights is only about 400-600 years old and began with enclosure in the UK. Meanwhile there's other parts of the world that sustained a larger population that didn't have them yet. e.g China. I'm not saying to get rid of land rights but perhaps the worst excesses of people subsidizing the rights of a 1% to own like 30% of land is a bit radical. Less radical would be "people can invest to 3 houses max" For instance Germany caps the size of corporations with inventives for smaller and medium size corporatinso - this makes a large ecosystem of mutually independent compannies that also reduce existential risk in supply chains - also allow for the highest productivity per hour in the world. Also the cost of housing is relatively lower so it has quite a high proportion of part time workers.
Imagine if we had some "instrument" such as a "repossession lottery" where 1/100 land assets of individuals who own more than 3 properties were siezed at random each year. Have the rate controlled by the federal reserve or reserve bank of respective countries. Change the charter to ensure the goals of each is 100% housing. We can still have the free market and competition in the world of commodities.
Unfortunately to the american imagination to make some crique of capitalism the way the education system works is they assume you are advocating the soviet union. There's many situations where the state can make laws that are on the socialist end of the spectrum and it contributes to economic growth so businesses and investors are happier too. The US already does this with the military, military assets are publicly owned "socially owned" if you want to put it that way, there's no reason education or health or housing couldn't also be the cash cow.
I mostly agree, mixed systems are very much the way to go and in fact I thin in practice are inevitable. The USSR and China never entirely eliminated private capital, not even North Korea and the US provides many socialised services to citizens.
I don't quite agree on land value. Real investment in land means capital improvements such as building accommodation, offices, factories, retail premises, etc. These can be highly productive. It's why I favour the idea of a land value tax, to actually encourage investment in productive uses for land and penalise passive rent seeking.
I'm surprised you mention China positively in this regard, regional Chinese local governments have been largely funding themselves though massive land sales to private owners for decades. This often involved throwing off collectivised farmers with no or nominal compensation because the land belonged to the state. Arbitrary confiscation and abrogation of property rights with no appeal. Right up your street. Ive seen it happen in my wife's home town. With the recent collapse of property markets in China this is grinding to a halt.
I agree the US view on these things seems to almost cartoonishly polarised from a European perspective. They do have an incredibly flexible and dynamic economy, but a bit red in tooth and claw for my liking.
> I'm surprised you mention China positively in this regard,
Apologies, I meant historically China, not china of the last 50 years. Just for context "the west" has sort of existed since renaissance only a few hundred years. Before that it had more common with some religions theologies and warring states. Meanwhile in arabia, china, persia and india there were huge cultures and civilizations far more advanced. They all had markets. Land rights however have always been a social question. For instance in britain it was all owned by the crown - a shepard for instance was naturally limited by how many sheep they could look after, a trade person limited by how many people they could see with their craft. Enter the corporation and enclosure and you can have flocks of 10,000 sheep etc. It doesn't necessarily mean there's more sheep it means "possession" now has some formalism governed by paper and the state, rather than some direct proximity and socially designated responsibility or custodian ship for a flock or area. etc. The later is how a great deal of cultures functioned and they had markets (what was the silk road?) Capitalism has always claimed "it's the market" ideology, but what actually distinguishes capitalism from all other societies is the creation of capital and the creation of false commodities in law (land, patents, etc)
The article reminds me of one of my favorite lines in one of my favorite songs, Absinthe Party at the Fly Honey Warehouse by Minus the Bear: “This light looks on you, morning came early. Sitting on a park bench that’s older than my country.” It was pleasantly relaxing to sit on a park bench in Berlin that was, in fact, older than my Country, while listening to this song. I love park benches.
I was so tired when I posted I didn’t notice I omitted a word from the lyrics: “This light looks good on you, morning came early. Sitting on a park bench that’s older than my country.”
I figured this wouldn't be about "Aqualung", since it's not exactly poetic, but that's always the song that comes to my mind when I hear the words "park bench"
ahh, I just had an entire free day, a hot day here, and walking through the park with my coffee I couldn't find a single unoccupied park bench that was in the shade. I ended up sitting on the stone foundation of a veterans memorial while I was doing my sketching. It wasn't as good, and I was jealous of the people who'd gotten benches.
It may be neither sarcasm nor troll. I see it as an
honest question that deserves a reasoned answer. Here's my initial take:
If a public organization dedicates land to a park, they usually provide some facilities (trash cans, benches, water fountains, bathrooms, parking lots, even soccer/football fields. How much is provided varies on the organization budget and willingness to provide. You can vote for/against but you can also attend meetings and argue pro/con on such amenities. The presence of the park may contribute or subtract from the land values of the surrounding area depending on how well maintained it is.
In the long run park land may be sold for its real-estate value. It is always valuable property.
Because your miserable life of incessant shitposting serves no purpose, so it was decided to spend your money so that at least other people could be happier.
I find they have a good product and have been happy the few times I’ve shopped with them. Although I don’t buy a lot as I don’t need that type of product much.
I don’t think I’m going to evaluate every vendor’s owners’ political contributions to affect my purchases. It’s too much headspace for negligible returns.
Especially since companies that aren’t actively hosing their customers are kind of rare, so I’m focusing on whether they do their job well.
I assume that every millionaire/billionaire owner is spending their money on something I disagree with. If it’s not these complaints, it’s hookers and blow. Or $60k/year private preschools. It’s a never ending doomscroll of trying to keep track which companies are virtuous enough for my money.
Especially since we are now thinking about this instead of the topic of interest just because someone mentioned uline as a place to buy memorial bench supplies.
I lived with the founders of Soofa for a while. They have a great product. It’s a good looking bench with a solar power bank. You can plug in your phone while you relax, encouraging you to stay outside.
The city also benefits because they get some usage data, so they can estimate how much foot traffic there is, which helps with planning around city services, such as garbage collection.
It doesn’t have to be used for advertising. And when it is, it’s local. Usually for small businesses or even the city itself. Most of them don’t have any ads at all though.
I found out from reading a plaque on a bench that an elderly lady I had known had died. She had been a neighbour of a relative, was the grandparent of a school friend, and worked part time at one of the schools we attended. Sitting in the summer sunshine I took some time to remember her, and I can't think of a better place in the world to do that.
I hate that park benches have been slowly disappearing here in the UK in the name of punishing the homeless. They used to be great places to just sit and relax.
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[ 3.6 ms ] story [ 84.7 ms ] threadThey also incur maintenance burdens.
Park and garden staff can be very helpful finding locations. We've had suggestions made which went directly to need, over beauty. If the beautiful spot you want is taken do think about need: older people and mums with kids value park benches everywhere. (As do rough sleepers)
(Have been there, have park benches memorialising family arranged by others)
Contemplating that, the love this person felt to motivate that, I was overcome with emotion and had to sit for a while.
Even socialism sees leisure equipment as part of the system.
The Soviet Union tried to solve homelessness by placing homeless people in other peoples homes by dictat. It didn’t work, so they made homelessness a crime for refusal to contribute productively to society, rounded them up and put them in detention centres. It still didn’t work and by the 80s there were hundreds of thousands of homeless people on the streets of Moscow, all criminalised and subject to arbitrary harassment and detention.
The market for land is created in law, it can be changed in law. This is different to cars or corn or bricks, - if you invest of those the world is richer one brick, car or bit of corn. IF you invest in land the money just sits there and that piece of paper means you can call the police if challenged. The question of land distribution is a social and legal question independent of the real economy. The beginning of land rights is only about 400-600 years old and began with enclosure in the UK. Meanwhile there's other parts of the world that sustained a larger population that didn't have them yet. e.g China. I'm not saying to get rid of land rights but perhaps the worst excesses of people subsidizing the rights of a 1% to own like 30% of land is a bit radical. Less radical would be "people can invest to 3 houses max" For instance Germany caps the size of corporations with inventives for smaller and medium size corporatinso - this makes a large ecosystem of mutually independent compannies that also reduce existential risk in supply chains - also allow for the highest productivity per hour in the world. Also the cost of housing is relatively lower so it has quite a high proportion of part time workers.
Imagine if we had some "instrument" such as a "repossession lottery" where 1/100 land assets of individuals who own more than 3 properties were siezed at random each year. Have the rate controlled by the federal reserve or reserve bank of respective countries. Change the charter to ensure the goals of each is 100% housing. We can still have the free market and competition in the world of commodities.
Unfortunately to the american imagination to make some crique of capitalism the way the education system works is they assume you are advocating the soviet union. There's many situations where the state can make laws that are on the socialist end of the spectrum and it contributes to economic growth so businesses and investors are happier too. The US already does this with the military, military assets are publicly owned "socially owned" if you want to put it that way, there's no reason education or health or housing couldn't also be the cash cow.
I don't quite agree on land value. Real investment in land means capital improvements such as building accommodation, offices, factories, retail premises, etc. These can be highly productive. It's why I favour the idea of a land value tax, to actually encourage investment in productive uses for land and penalise passive rent seeking.
I'm surprised you mention China positively in this regard, regional Chinese local governments have been largely funding themselves though massive land sales to private owners for decades. This often involved throwing off collectivised farmers with no or nominal compensation because the land belonged to the state. Arbitrary confiscation and abrogation of property rights with no appeal. Right up your street. Ive seen it happen in my wife's home town. With the recent collapse of property markets in China this is grinding to a halt.
I agree the US view on these things seems to almost cartoonishly polarised from a European perspective. They do have an incredibly flexible and dynamic economy, but a bit red in tooth and claw for my liking.
Apologies, I meant historically China, not china of the last 50 years. Just for context "the west" has sort of existed since renaissance only a few hundred years. Before that it had more common with some religions theologies and warring states. Meanwhile in arabia, china, persia and india there were huge cultures and civilizations far more advanced. They all had markets. Land rights however have always been a social question. For instance in britain it was all owned by the crown - a shepard for instance was naturally limited by how many sheep they could look after, a trade person limited by how many people they could see with their craft. Enter the corporation and enclosure and you can have flocks of 10,000 sheep etc. It doesn't necessarily mean there's more sheep it means "possession" now has some formalism governed by paper and the state, rather than some direct proximity and socially designated responsibility or custodian ship for a flock or area. etc. The later is how a great deal of cultures functioned and they had markets (what was the silk road?) Capitalism has always claimed "it's the market" ideology, but what actually distinguishes capitalism from all other societies is the creation of capital and the creation of false commodities in law (land, patents, etc)
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Because, as it says above, "the human will can move anything."
If a public organization dedicates land to a park, they usually provide some facilities (trash cans, benches, water fountains, bathrooms, parking lots, even soccer/football fields. How much is provided varies on the organization budget and willingness to provide. You can vote for/against but you can also attend meetings and argue pro/con on such amenities. The presence of the park may contribute or subtract from the land values of the surrounding area depending on how well maintained it is.
In the long run park land may be sold for its real-estate value. It is always valuable property.
People have been known to do "guerrilla installs"; if you do it right and quietly and well everyone assumes it was official.
I don’t think I’m going to evaluate every vendor’s owners’ political contributions to affect my purchases. It’s too much headspace for negligible returns.
Especially since companies that aren’t actively hosing their customers are kind of rare, so I’m focusing on whether they do their job well.
I assume that every millionaire/billionaire owner is spending their money on something I disagree with. If it’s not these complaints, it’s hookers and blow. Or $60k/year private preschools. It’s a never ending doomscroll of trying to keep track which companies are virtuous enough for my money.
Especially since we are now thinking about this instead of the topic of interest just because someone mentioned uline as a place to buy memorial bench supplies.
The city also benefits because they get some usage data, so they can estimate how much foot traffic there is, which helps with planning around city services, such as garbage collection.
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It doesn’t have to be used for advertising. And when it is, it’s local. Usually for small businesses or even the city itself. Most of them don’t have any ads at all though.
it is the only model that mentions comfort, most all new benches are over-enineerd and anti-social nowadays.