The article, which can be accessed by clicking the link near the top of this page, makes it sound like the legislation requires full remote control. So more like a backdoor on smartphones.
Seems like criminals would buy phones in other countries and put a local SIM in them. Or, we're all going to be backdoored with a flimsy "check if network is in France" feature flag. Wonderful!
The former might actually work out in the police's favour. As in the case of AN0M, if they can sow distrust in an established communications platform and seed a compromised alternative, the people they're targeting will buy their surveillance from the police themselves.
1. Import people who are not exactly fond of France as cheap labor
2. Allow people in who are even hate France but just want the economic benefits
3. Factories/mines etc shut down or go abroad, thus making foreign "temporary" workers who somehow were allowed to stay, go poor and thus, give the excuse leftists need about socioeconomic factors
4. Regardless of point 3. immigration increases further because we must maintain the progressive multi-kulti façade going and call everyone who disagrees with it racist bigots
5. End up with massive social welfare fraude and jobless people who can't, won't and don't want to integrate
6. Somehow plead for even more immigration
7. Integration systems are too small and failing under the pressure of sheer numbers, real estate prices and rent go brrrr
8. Enclaves and proto-Detroitesque environments are growing like late stage cancer
9. Not even all the gaslighting in the world can make those who can think with high resolution, believe "diversity is our strength". Call them racist without proper reason.
10. Ethnic conflict, religious conflict, cultural unrest ensues and grows, allowing for invasive privacy laws to be set in "for your protection"
11. Keep open border policies going because otherwise people might call you racist again
12. Act shocked as rightwing parties grow across the west
This is overly reductive and ignores any other possible contributing factors. There is still the unresolved discontent behind the previous riots before the current ones.
It's alarming how comfortable people have become on HN to announce their xenophobia so openly lately. Besides its ideological ugliness, it also seems to take a fairly narrow view of history. If this is "because" of anything, surely it's because of the authoritarian belief that populations must be protected from themselves to ensure their comfort, that liberty is a small price to pay for safety. Civil unrest is just a convenient excuse and you play right into their hands by othering your fellow person, regardless of where their parents were born.
I'm tired of hearing the term "xenophobia" used to describe this; because it makes it an all-or-nothing.
Most people aren't like that. Most people are OK with immigrants; the disagreement comes in for how many we should have, what ages they should be, where they should be from, when they affect the local economy, etc. Calling them "xenophobic" for disagreeing with a particular policy just breeds resentment, which manifests in, surprise, political action from the only people who seem interested in listening.
Your appeal to soothing political divides is wasted because I'm just a guy on the internet, not a politician or any other type of person interested in building coalitions with anyone who would lay blame at the feet of immigration. Whether it stokes someone's resentment or not is a displeasure they'll have to live with, I suppose. My point was that it's an irrelevant and unnecessarily divisive take that fits into a recent pattern of derailing comment threads with ideological bait. It sucks to come into so many threads lately to see crowing about illusory boogeymen like immigration or an alleged nefarious trans agenda or some other deluded neo-con conspiracy. It's lazy and a distraction. And if you sincerely oppose policies like the one in the OP, you can't look away from how one serves the other.
>It's alarming how comfortable people have become on HN to announce their xenophobia so openly lately
Since when is it xenophobic to not be ok with uncontrolled mass migration?
Do you also leave your house the door unlocked and open for anyone to come in as they please? If you don't, and you lock it, you're xenophobic.
People are ok with immigrants, they don't care what skin color you have, they just don't want uncontrolled illegal immigrants who don't care about integration and adapting to the local culture and value system.
Regardless of my personal feelings about immigration, the issue I was delineating is that it's a huge logical leap at best, wildly off-topic and incendiary at worst. Given your propensity for sharing conspiracy theories both in this thread and elsewhere on HN, I don't believe we're going to have a productive conversation about this either way, so let's just not.
I agree with you, and so does huge swathes of the West. This person has The Correct Opinions, but those opinions are driving the working class into the arms of Le Pen, Meloni etc.
That's an odd take, literally any other place on the Internet lists legitimate grievances for the riots rather than "unchecked mass migration" which serves just to dismiss the discontent of people.
The people are discontent because they're stuffed into ghettos that are totally separate from French society. This produces a subculture that exists in opposition to that society, look into the intense shit French Muslims say about the broader nation.
There's an incompatibility here that's not getting any better. The French suck at assimilating migrants, the migrants they accept don't seem to want to assimilate, and that doesn't work.
It has 0 to do with, say, Indians in America. It's more like how the Swedes now have a problem with bombings, exclusive to their refugees.
Well, I'm just relieved that there will never be any scope creep, and the police will never abuse these privileges, and this capability will never escape the careful custody of authorized law enforcement officers. I'm thankful that at least somebody has thought of the children.
You need to have journalism as a regular, paid activity, in a press company, from which most of your income comes. There is a committee of journalists & press companies representatives that review applications.
bring millions of people you cannot integrate -> let them run amok -> gain convenient excuse to clamp down on privacy and add more surveillance -> slowly become a dictatorship due to people giving up their freedom for security (from the consequences you willingly created)
It's the UK formula again.
Bonus points: you also decrease wages and increase rent and house prices doing this, so you basically keep winning in your gated communities
What exactly would the end game be? resetting the clock to the middle ages? I don't think this is all planned, I think people underestimate the shortsightedness of governments.
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From what I have read, it seems to be pretty easy to hack a phone if you have control of the cellular network.
Most people aren't like that. Most people are OK with immigrants; the disagreement comes in for how many we should have, what ages they should be, where they should be from, when they affect the local economy, etc. Calling them "xenophobic" for disagreeing with a particular policy just breeds resentment, which manifests in, surprise, political action from the only people who seem interested in listening.
Since when is it xenophobic to not be ok with uncontrolled mass migration?
Do you also leave your house the door unlocked and open for anyone to come in as they please? If you don't, and you lock it, you're xenophobic.
People are ok with immigrants, they don't care what skin color you have, they just don't want uncontrolled illegal immigrants who don't care about integration and adapting to the local culture and value system.
And which conspiracy theory did I share? I do believe you're delusional.
This is not going to end well.
There's an incompatibility here that's not getting any better. The French suck at assimilating migrants, the migrants they accept don't seem to want to assimilate, and that doesn't work.
It has 0 to do with, say, Indians in America. It's more like how the Swedes now have a problem with bombings, exclusive to their refugees.
Rioting as a means of protest is the most French thing ever, on both left and right was well as the middle.
French “street politics” are fucking hardcore.
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Not you though, you filthy peasant. Only Cloud People get a right to privacy, not disgusting Dirt People.
Seems easier than becoming any of the other titles.
So a part-time, amateur citizen investigator/journalist gets spied on, but a corporate employed one is protected.
Well gee, ain't that convenient, that the ruling class is exempt from the invasive laws they set. Privacy for me, not for thee.
Hey french people, maybe it's time to get them ol' faithful guillotines out of the mothballs, your ruling class is acting up again.
Perhaps the bell tolls for thee ?
All the other police organizations in the world now licking their lips and rubbing their hands.