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"risks"

"is in danger of"

Surely if we just inform people they will fix this obviously unintentional oversight.

While I do agree most modern cybercrime laws are pretty dumb and naive, why isn't the same being said of other international crime organizations like interpol or the un peacekeepers? What makes actual global law enforcement acceptable while this not? And could whatever making these orgs acceptable be added to this treaty?
Well, since you asked:

https://www.economist.com/international/2021/12/04/a-tussle-... / https://archive.is/s0GjE

Whole thing is worth reading, but some excerpts directly related to your point:

> Over the past few years, however, fears have spread that Interpol has come under the influence of repressive governments. Countries like Russia, China and Turkey have sent the body “red notice” requests for the arrest of large numbers of people, including critics and refugees.

> Attempts by authoritarian governments to use Interpol to hound or detain opponents abroad also cast a cloud over the agency. Russia has been the most serious offender, accounting for nearly 43% of all public red notices.

> Russia has also repeatedly asked Interpol to issue red notices against Kremlin critics, including Bill Browder, a British financier, and Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a former oligarch. It almost got Mr Browder extradited in 2018 when Spanish police arrested him in Madrid, but he was soon released.

> China, too, is a repeat offender. In 2006 Huseyin Celil, a Uyghur who had fled to Canada, was arrested in Uzbekistan on an Interpol warrant and delivered to China, where he remains in prison on dubious terror charges. In July Idris Hasan, a Uyghur living in Turkey, was detained in Morocco on the basis of a red notice.

Multilateral organizations have a serious problem with being captured by outright authoritarians. It doesn't always work out in their favor, but they keep trying: https://www.politico.eu/article/us-defeats-russia-to-head-un...

Fair enough, but the organization itself doesn't aim to be authoritarian, at least not by design. Why can't a cybercrime interpol be the same thing? Now that I think about it, doesn't interpol already deal with cybercrime?
They came and visited our company when I was working on threat indicators.
Could be worse: After coming under Nazi control in 1938,[6] the agency had its headquarters in the same building as the Gestapo.[7] (Wikipedia)

I don't know; reading this article gives the impression that they've been persistently plagued by corruption and authoritarian influence, and not merely in the past; current head is from the UAE.

Not an expert, but one difference seems to be the principle of dual criminality:

> Specifically: the draft would authorize police to help foreign governments investigate activities that may not be a punishable offense in both countries, she explained.

"The dual criminality principle safeguards human rights, but it is treated as optional," Rodriguez said. "To uphold global human rights, the proposed treaty must mandate dual criminality[1]."

[1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/proposed-cybercrime-tr...

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