Ask HN: How do you organize your life?

35 points by loveparade ↗ HN
This includes long-term goals, short-term goals, daily planning, TODO lists, reviews, your everyday workflow, and so on.

Over the years I've experimented with several different systems. Simple TODO lists, OKRs, a single ascii huge text file with daily schedules and a few templates, emacs org-mode, and now I am using Obsidian. But I've never been full satisfied with any of the systems. Looking back, the large plain text file was probably the best overall, but org-mode also had some really nice features for scheduling and tracking.

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Calendar, large plain text notes file, VA helping with things, travel agent
I think I organize my life to require less organization.

Organization is a tool not a goal.

What does it take to make a task self-organizing?

Can I delegate organization to habit, routine, or ritual?

In the past, I thought "I will sit at the computer and organize the N problems of my life."

Thus I had N+1 problems.

YMMV.

Good luck.

Similarly, automate things in a way that doesn't really create a "maintain my automation" task, or at least minimally so. Overall simplification.
I don’t automate.

Automation is incidental complexity.

If automating X is an improvement, X isn’t worth doing.

That makes absolutely no sense.
If X is worth doing, doing X is worth doing.

Automating X is not doing X. That’s the whole point of automating X.

Simply not doing X is the simplest way to not do X.

But I am probably thinking of what “worth” means in a different way than you are.

And I am ok with life not making sense in the way your comment implies.

Large plain text file, with Things app to take on-the-go notes.
Email. All my notes, plans, todos, reminders (via snooze/send later) are in the email. I also use calendar to keep the family in sync. My current "life database" (i.e. inbox) is on the iCloud (like everything else, so it is good for Legacy Contact, when I pass away), though it was in google workspaces before and it can be on anything else in the future (including self-hosted server).
Perhaps my answer is a bit unconventional. I try to run my life around the idea of "challenges", and internal/external obstacles I need to "overcome" to get to the next stage. I try to put everything I am doing under a larger "overcome challenge" framework. When there is a concrete story I want to complete, something I wish to accomplish, it is just much easier to get going. Also, I encourage the people around me to identify and take challenges seriously. Humans are natural problem solvers and story addicts.
Do you find it exhausting always fighting yourself? Always fighting challenges and gamifying life? Or do you thrive on completionism or achievement that requires you to constantly struggle?

I’m all for accomplishments but daily “challenges” sounds exhausting.

How do you balance that with time off and relaxation?

Framing is super important. Why wouldn't learning how to relax be a challenge?

Can you meditate and stay still for 5 minutes? Well, try to stay still for 15 minutes. Try to reduce number of negative thoughts in a day, etc.

It is just about finding the right type of framing the challenge for yourself.

No, I don't find the process exhausting at all. I find that I get better over time, if I struggle now, and with higher skills/capabilities, life just gets better.

Email + Calendar on my own domain, with Google Workspace.

Edit: domain is .com (I don't trust ccTLDs) and paid for 10 years.

GitHub issues. I have a repo called `me` and I create issues in it.

It all revolves around labels, and I store just about everything there, from lists of web design inspiration to random ideas I come up with (each labelled appropriately, in those cases with "list" and "Idea" respectively). It's particularly useful for tracking todos, since I can just close the issue once I finish the todo.

text files + Tasks app on android + Notally

I like to keep it simple and purge what's no longer needed. It probably looks heavy to anyone else than me, but I find it pretty compact.

Work wise, I have started just keeping a running google doc (I guess any doc would work) and I log whatever I do. I do share it with my boss but I have found it really personally motivating and helpful as a record.

I am less worried about getting things done on schedule in my personal life. For better or worse. I block out time on my calendar sometimes or create an event on my calendar in the future. I will also sometimes schedule send an email to myself as a reminder.

Todoist (https://todoist.com) for me :). Though wish it also had Notes, or other persistent non-task based storage as one can sometimes close out an item that was meant to be informational/lookup (such as family info, or other persistent notes). That issue aside it's still my instant go-to for adding tasks, reviewing what's next, and generally seeing how far behind I am on all my goals :)).

There are some nice self-hosted open-source alternatives/copycats (https://alternativeto.net/software/todoist/), but I've been too lazy the last few years to try and the price is generally reasonable enough that I haven't been too motivated.

I basically don’t. For work I track in-flight items and a backlog of possible things to do next in a text file. Meetings are in the work outlook calendar. Other than that I just wing it. I’ve found anything else just takes time and doesn’t improve my success or happiness.
Calendar for appointments but that's about it.

I try to make my life a little more free-flowing so that it doesn't feel like work.

I live with a bit more spontaneity. Text my friends out for a spontaneous dinner, go out spontaneously with wife, make spontaneous weekend trips. Life seems more fun this way.

Same. I have Google Calendar that I share with my wife. Anything that requires us to be somewhere or do something goes in the calendar. That's about it.
GTD, using a ring binder and a paper agenda.
I've being developing my own micro-cloud for the last ten years - There I've wrote my own email client, password manager, finance book, OTP, movies, music, notes, calendar, backup... and a lot of other micro apps. It works fantastic for me, and I'd recommend you to try setting up an instance of NextCloud, which can achieve similar results. My problem with org-mode, Obsidian, etc is that they are attention black holes, you focus all of your time installing plugins and configuring your workspace that by the time you're done with that you don't really feel like doing the real work. If that's your case, you might consider removing apps that hinder you ability to control your life and just use a simple, plain, gigantic markdown file and grow organically from there, with the focus being simplicity and 0 config.
> I've being developing my own micro-cloud for the last ten years - There I've wrote my own email client, password manager, finance book, OTP, movies, music, notes, calendar, backup... and a lot of other micro apps

> My problem with org-mode, Obsidian, etc is that they are attention black holes, you focus all of your time installing plugins and configuring your workspace that by the time you're done with that you don't really feel like doing the real work

Seems so contradictory ha!

Not really, in the sense that the idea of a lot of these apps are "customization and plugins", and I wanted something that had it all, required 0 config and was totally opinionated. I can set up a new environment just by doing docker-compose up, that simplicity was always my goal 0.

Yes, it took time to develop it, but I would be working on another shiny thing anyway as I like to work on side projects, so I see that as a net gain.

I personally use Obsidian without any community plugins across two vaults, and it works absolutely fantastic. I do not plan to add any plugins to my installation(s) as long as they lack on some aspect pretty horribly.

I was able to consolidate 7 years of office notes divided in two applications in a week, 25 minutes day, into a new hierarchy, and did it with Obsidian as-is. I can't look from the perspective where one needs a month to optimize an application even before writing their first note in it.

Yeah... but did you write your own email client and calendar? lol
I write small utilities to automate my infrastructure, yes, but they're not numerous as this. Instead of writing my own utilities, I automate workflows and write tools which sends me e-mails or push notifications when things go wrong.

The aim is to never receive notifications, actually. :)

I'm trying to reduce unnecessary time in front of computers, not maximize it. :)

Sorry I should've added an /s or something. I was mostly just making a joke about what you said vs what you were responding to about the Obsidian plugin detail where the parent mentioned that being the problem with Obsidian right after mentioned rewriting all basic utilities themselves for some reason lol
Haha, no :) I understood what you did there, and by taking your question literally, used your reply to add some more context about how I think, and create a bit more force to help OP by showing that other ways are possible.

Yes, what OP does is not very conventional, but I felt that redirection of this ambition to more practical ways can return OP as another productivity boost.

IOW, I repurposed your comment. :)

Makes sense! This interaction made me smile. You seem like a pleasant person, have a great day!
Hey, thanks! I'm trying my best, this is all I know. :)

Now I feel better just because an internet stranger is having a better day, honestly! :)

Hope you have a great day, too.

I'm sorry, I think it's cool you've setup your own micro-cloud and written all of your own apps but following that up by saying that installing a few plugins in Obsidian is an attention black hole is goofy. I feel like rewriting a bunch of basic apps that are built into basically everything at this point is probably a bigger attention black hole than installing a few plugins.
I highly recommend org-roam. I also tried and did not stick with plain Org, because it becomes unwieldy trying to maintain structure as it grows large. Org-roam minimizes the friction for inserting information, which made it much easier for me to actually use it.
GTD with simple .MD files on Obsidian. Keep it simple. Make your reviews every week.
i use a combo of trello and onenote
I have three layers in my life, alongside a document silo.

On the bottom level, I use Trello with my wife. Longer term tasks are stored there, in a modified kanban-style board (multiple backlog queues, in progress, done, canceled). This is visited semi-regularly and updated. Also we plan bigger events like long travels and things involving both of us there.

On the day to day level, I use Pagico. Pagico is a personal "project management" application which can track multiple projects and store data about them. Work life and personal life has different spaces, and I can mix them together in Pagico to handle tasks in both places.

The biggest advantage of Pagico is its "Dashboard" views, which allow me to divide tasks into days and "forecast" my week, and anticipate crunches and deadlines before things become too problematic. Of course Murphy finds a way, but seeing what's coming goes a long way.

On the shortest term (minutes to hours), I use pen and paper. I always have an affinity to writing, so taking notes, writing sub tasks, etc. allows me to work with a lower mental load. This notebooks are scanned and shredded when they are full.

All important documents are stored in Evernote, shared with my wife.

This is the third or fourth iteration of my personal system, last revamped during the pandemic, in 2020. Before that I had a bullet-like journal I started before bullet-journalling craze, and overgrown it.

Please feel free to ask any further questions.

Dont't "organize" your life. Live it!

you dont't organize eating, sleeping, shtting, loving,... Did you ever forgot to eat or hug your beloved one and organize a birthday party for your wife / children / whoever?

so why do you want to "organize" the other aspects of your life?

The only things i need to push me forward in the important aspects of my life are values*.

The values are working like a compass and pushing me fully "from self" in the right directions.

If one value is punctuality then you will find a natural way to reach this value.

If the Value is your own and it is real, then you will find various ways to reach it.

So go and look out for the real important values in your life. If you need "lists" or "organisation tricks" to reach goals, then, maybe, these goals are not your own goals.

Find them and the rest will follow :)

So.. write down your values? That could be your only note.
No. Live them.
I try to write what I think my values are close to every day. They are often not the same, and writing it down helps me consciously align to my values.
Can I write that down?
This doesn’t ring true to me. There’s plenty I want to do in accordance with my values and emotional priorities that I fail to do because my organization could be better. Planning to do things further ahead with family and friends would be “living” and yet I often don’t because my planning could improve. I’m sure others have different challenges.
yeh and a natural way to remind me to pick up drywall from lowes is to use a reminders app, you know because I have a poor memory.

I'm not sure your method is going to help there.

Unless you fail to remember about paying bills, taking medications, picking up deliveries, attending meetings, registering on time, filling taxes, not overbooking oneself, etc, etc.

Even though something is one's core value, it is still challenging to focus on executing it. This is especially true for people with ADHD. But most people who accomplish things are able (one way or the other) to organize themselves.

This reads like someone who doesn’t have to keep track of the house and kids. Getting appointments lined up for handymen, doctors, teachers, tutors, taxes, repairs, play dates, date dates with the significant other, etc. and somewhere in between it’s good to do the housework, eg laundry, cooking, cleaning, which means regular grocery runs.
> So go and look out for the real important values in your life. If you need "lists" or "organisation tricks" to reach goals, then, maybe, these goals are not your own goals.

Terrible advice. It's like saying, eat whatever you want. If you find yourself continually eating funnel cakes deep and deep fried turkey legs, just go with it because obviously you must be passionate about being fat. Humans are lazy. Exercise is generally good for us, but most don't have so much passion for running or lifting that we just wake up everyday and magically find ourselves in a squat rack.

Alas, part of my life, and a part in alignment with my values that I really enjoy is "Run projects of huge complexity". As well as "have multiple hobbies" and "travel a lot"

And all the "live your life freely" advice in the world is not going to help me there.

I also have ADHD. I value the shit out of punctuality, but punctuality does not reciprocate without elaborate time management tools. And yes, I've forgotten to eat, or to hug a loved one, or to organize a birthday party.

The idea that there is "one weird trick" that'll just work for everybody is ignoring that we all live different lives. And there is value in exposing people to different approaches. But let's stop pretending that "Don't do A. Do B!" is good advice. The best we can do on this kind of advice is "here's what works for me"

Not very helpful advice for any folks with ADHD. We forget to eat, organize parties, go to the bathroom, etc. It is unfortunate but entirely outside our control. There is no "natural way" for me to reach the things I value because my brain is a dragon trying to find more new and shiny gold to horde while ignoring everything else around him. If I leave myself to "natural ways" then I play video games, watch videos, or binge Wikipedia all day.

I'm not sure this is helpful advice for anyone, to be honest. "The goals you think are important actually aren't if you need any reminders or tools to get there!" is a bad take for the majority of people, I think. If it works for you, that's great. I'm jealous that things align that way for you. But I'm guessing that for the majority of people, that isn't the case.

100%. Also an ADHD case here.

Forgetting things actively gets in the way of me living life.

I wouldn’t vouch for over-planning since that’s going to topple over the second you slip up, but having a list of “things you probably don’t want to do but past-you thought was important” is how I manage to do the big fun parts of living!

Partially true. If I will not organize eating I will be hungry. If I will not organize sleeping I will be tired, because I went to sleep too late or can't sleep, because my mind is on full rev.

Sleeping and eating (though a tasty meal can be) are not my goals, but I need them in order to do interesting things.

Among those various ways to "reach it" is organizing things.

> Dont't "organize" your life. Live it!

That's not how it works if you have even a little bit of complexity in your life, which anyone with responsibilities has.

> Did you ever forgot to eat or hug your beloved one and organize a birthday party for your wife / children / whoever?

Some do, yes. And how does one even throw a party without some basic organizations?

But what about the boring parts? Taxes, doctor visits, household, managing finances... Not everyone can afford to thrift through live.

> If one value is punctuality then you will find a natural way to reach this value. >If the Value is your own and it is real, then you will find various ways to reach it.

People call that organization.

> maybe, these goals are not your own goals.

Staying alive and healthy is may goal, I still sometimes forget some duties which support this, because life is more than what is under my nose.

Sounds like a front page of a BS self-help book.

> you dont't organize eating, sleeping

I absolutely do.

There's nothing wrong with making your life more efficient to reach your goals faster.

I disagree completely. The best thing I did was starting to budget. Something I only started doing recently. It is such a relief to know what my expenses will be for the coming months. It has also had the added effect that I am no longer wasteful. Like a switch went off in my head, I have reduced my daily food expenses to $5 from god knows what.
Apple Notes, syncs between phone, tablet, computer. I have a folder hierarchy there and I use checkboxes. It's not as structured as I would like but I have shortcuts to find the most commonly used documents.
The insight that worked for me is that it isn’t about the tools. Rather, it’s about having a solid plan, or methodology, that works for you, which can be implemented using whichever tools are convenient. Many folks, including me at one point, hop from one tool to another, looking for one that “feels right” and which will magically fix and organize your life.. or make you want to do that. Ain’t no such thing. But once you figure out the methodology, the rest slides into place.

Here[1] is the methodology that works for me. It enables long and short term planning and organization in accordance with my changing priorities and values.

[1]: https://sagar.se/blog/a-task-management-model/

Microsoft To Do for short stuff, Google Keep for long-form stuff, and Google Calendar for events. That's all I need really, and they're free.
> now I am using Obsidian

Me too. Ever since starting on plain text methods that I read about a professor using on here, I have experimented with capturing a log of my todos using emacs along with other methods such as iOS Notes, Excel and email.

At the end of the day, I settled on Obsidian because I can sync the vault across my iOS devices and even create separate vaults for work to isolate notes or reminders. It has become a repo for a lot of my notes, ideas and is also designed well.

For day to day, I am able to keep reminders and tasks in the Things app (which shows my calendar, creates tasks from email and make tasks linkable)

I used to track things in Evernote, but now I have fallen in love with Obsidian and never looked back (migrated all notes there).

The UI is simple, so I focus on the content. As it is Markdown-based, I am not afraid to be locked in, and I back up everything with git.

I use the Calendar plugin, making creating daily (and weekly) notes easy. With each daily note, I write things in the style of Bullet Journal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLnY9L1c-M) - all things to do, but started from scratch (so I don't accumulate any TODO debt, which is a nightmare for many of us and people with ADHD in particular). I add all I did that day anyway (whether planned or not) - sometimes an "unproductive" day was full of chores and errands that I had forgotten about but were necessary.

Also, I have folders for drafts (of blog posts and long emails), practical notes (e.g. checklist for traveling), the archive (of re-usable things (e.g. my FB posts I might want to keep).

For me, large files containing everything make me feel lost and confused - all in all, you can easily search Markdown files - be it with Obsidian built-in search, Visual Studio Code, or anything else. YMMV.

I use text files. One text file per day, named `yyyy-MM-dd.yml`.

YAML! Shudder! But it's the best way I found to enter Markdown with some metadata at the top.

Each day file has multiple Yaml documents, with ids like `yyyy-MM-dd/number`. I use [ ] for todos and turn them into [x] when they are done. This way, searching/grepping for `[ ]` gives me a list of stuff not done yet. I sometimes have a list of things to do in my day. I move the `[ ]`s to the next day at the end of the current day (or start of the next).

I use Visual Studio Code snippets to enter the metadata.

Example:

    ---
    id: 2023-10-13/1
    links:
    tags:
    project:
    text: |
        This text field is **Markdown**, not **YAML**.

        - first note
            - [ ] todo 1
        - second note
      
The `links` item points to other notes by id (it's an array).

The idea of having ids with daily counters is from https://www.soenkeahrens.de/en/takesmartnotes.

[edits: formatting the yaml, mention 'how to take smart notes' book, mention that the `text` is Markdown]