Having just fought a vendor for months to cancel a service - how do others not realize that long term the apple approach that builds trust will actually pay off?
We had three people working to get cancellation done. Customer service / billing / tickets / emails and more. It was ridiculous. The only person who could cancel was a salesperson we’d never worked with who would NOT respond to calls and emails. And we pay this vendor 75,000+!
Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes
> Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes
I need to use an Amazon application to read Transparency codes on certain products I sell. Amazon recently added ads that appear with the codes ... which cause the codes themselves to be almost impossible to select to copy to my computer.
Exactly- do these companies realize how annoying this stuff is? Same issues w volume licensed windows 10 - it comes w garbage. Everything you tough it seems gets stuffed w this crap
For a while I used FB Messenger Lite, which was basically designed for low-bandwidth markets (read: not US) but came without any sort of bloat. Sadly they recently deprecated it, which forced me to switch. It seems like these companies feel the need to put ads everywhere--at some point I'd imagine some users will just stop using tools that are too bloated.
if you're willing to pay, the chatGPT app is going to be a better experience. the only reason to use the copilot app is to get gpt4 for free. and that means ads.
This is probably not true, or why would people so often enjoy spending money?
I think people do like (and now expect, thanks to decades of the "spyware" business model) getting free things. Combined with low levels of tech literacy and extremely low levels of trust in fair pricing of goods & services, and a typical person isn't likely to think there's any price that they ever should pay for software.
Shareholders want their dividends.. you can't blame them/us/yourself, can you? (assuming you also got some FAANG stock)(or some tech/SP500-like mutual funds)
Let me get this straight. You're complaining that free web services you're not paying for with money, have ads in them? How do you expect them to pay for the infrastructure and dev wages without ad money? What exctly do you expect?
@downvoters: seriously? you're donvoting someone for stating the bleeding obvious?
Holy asumption batman. Personally if I had a coice, I wouldn't use any facebook products like their messenger, but I don't want to give up contact with the few people I can only reach trough their platform. Paying for their services isn't even an option, I bet a lot of privacy minded people like me would gladly pay a fee just so they don't track you & serve you ads, _but you can't_.
Those services would never be so popular today if they charge money to the users, because while you or me would be willing to pay, the vast majority of users (>90%) are not willing to pay a dime for services when there are free alternatives. How do you think Google's services got so popular? From charging money for them or from offering them for free?
That's the hard truth and please don't pretend you didn't already know this fact before rating about it.
That option already exists in the EU. Meta asks for 10 EUros/month in exchange for no ads. Guess how many people pay versus choose to have ads? Most people by a landslide choose the ads, because they don't see the value in paying cash to use social media.
Please, enlightne me with your arguments then.
Most likely when Copilot addoption gets big enough, ad free paid tiers will also pop up for those users who find it valuable, but until then it's easier to get mass adoption of a service by only having a free tier as paying money upfront for a yet unfamilar service puts off most users. That's what you don't understand.
The OS has not changed. This can be checked in any standard text box, like the comment fields here. Presumably they wanted a custom text box to do some kind of processing as the user types and did not bother re-implementing the standard behaviour properly.
I think this app biases towards searching online, which is very different than what ChatGPT does. Similarly it can’t do data analysis or equivalent Dall-e image generation. But yeah it can go a long way?
My complaint with Copilot in Windows is MS's intent that CP eventually be ingratiated into every task, ostensibly to always be ready to jump in and help.
This will just coincidentally enable collection of massive amounts of new telemetery, as CP extends it's vigilance into absolutely everything users do.
I can't imagine MS won't do all it can to achieve this same level of invasiveness in Apple ecosystems, if it possibly can.
Has anyone been able to login to the app? The sign in button does nothing when I click on it, and the sign in link in the "default chat" just takes me to a blank page. It's been like this for 2 days now. I'm somewhat assuming it's a weird regional behaviour...my Apple account is based in Canada but I am physically in Europe. Is this not available in Europe, and it's tripping out since I'm connecting from a European IP?
I’ve noticed that iCloud private relay messes with things sometimes. Website that claim I have to prove my identity time and time again aren’t uncommon. I have to turn it off to get them to work. Could that be affecting you?
has anyone done a comparison of gpt-4 vs. the gpt-4 that microsoft says is being included in most of it's products these days?
I want to say they both aren't exactly the same, as I noticed through some responses to same questions by each, but I am interested in a detailed analysis if anyone has done that.
> I want to say they both aren't exactly the same, as I noticed through some responses to same questions by each, but I am interested in a detailed analysis if anyone has done that.
That is very well possible and can be due to one of the many parameters of the LLM being different, like the temperature for instance.
It's a finetuned version of GPT4 for some scenarios (more chatty, with "Sydney" personality).
They are testing GPT4-Turbo, which seems to be closer (or the same) to ChatGPT style and quality of answer. But there will be a new, separated option to enable "Sydney".
Worth to point out that Balanced is not running pure GPT4. It runs multiple models. Only Creative/Precise runs GPT4 only.
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[ 4.5 ms ] story [ 116 ms ] threadI recently installed Facebook messenger on android and it literally had ads in the chat list itself. Yuck.
Same for Microsoft. At least I don't have to use any ms product but everything has ads now ?? Why ?
We had three people working to get cancellation done. Customer service / billing / tickets / emails and more. It was ridiculous. The only person who could cancel was a salesperson we’d never worked with who would NOT respond to calls and emails. And we pay this vendor 75,000+!
Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes
I need to use an Amazon application to read Transparency codes on certain products I sell. Amazon recently added ads that appear with the codes ... which cause the codes themselves to be almost impossible to select to copy to my computer.
Anyone (?) can leave with a small number of 'unimportant' clients to leave. And true, they tweak the level of annoyance to hit a balance.
Remember the rule that one should fire the clients that are not profitable enough (and 'profitable' is a subjective term).
if you're willing to pay, the chatGPT app is going to be a better experience. the only reason to use the copilot app is to get gpt4 for free. and that means ads.
This is probably not true, or why would people so often enjoy spending money?
I think people do like (and now expect, thanks to decades of the "spyware" business model) getting free things. Combined with low levels of tech literacy and extremely low levels of trust in fair pricing of goods & services, and a typical person isn't likely to think there's any price that they ever should pay for software.
@downvoters: seriously? you're donvoting someone for stating the bleeding obvious?
That's the hard truth and please don't pretend you didn't already know this fact before rating about it.
Please, enlightne me with your arguments then.
Most likely when Copilot addoption gets big enough, ad free paid tiers will also pop up for those users who find it valuable, but until then it's easier to get mass adoption of a service by only having a free tier as paying money upfront for a yet unfamilar service puts off most users. That's what you don't understand.
So remember, next time you Google something, Google it with Bing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYVCk10AzS0
https://twitter.com/sama
I've noticed that Twitch chat in their iOS app no longer capitalises sentences recently too.
Copilot on windows and android can do Dall-E image generation; I don't see why it wouldn't be able to on iOS
https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-smug-hacker-news-user-p...
This will just coincidentally enable collection of massive amounts of new telemetery, as CP extends it's vigilance into absolutely everything users do.
I can't imagine MS won't do all it can to achieve this same level of invasiveness in Apple ecosystems, if it possibly can.
- Bing Ai app - Start app
Charging 20 bucks for something available for free somewhere else is a little spicy
I want to say they both aren't exactly the same, as I noticed through some responses to same questions by each, but I am interested in a detailed analysis if anyone has done that.
That is very well possible and can be due to one of the many parameters of the LLM being different, like the temperature for instance.
They are testing GPT4-Turbo, which seems to be closer (or the same) to ChatGPT style and quality of answer. But there will be a new, separated option to enable "Sydney".
Worth to point out that Balanced is not running pure GPT4. It runs multiple models. Only Creative/Precise runs GPT4 only.