Because Stainless Steel != No Rust Ever... kind of a major "duh" for anyone who's ever owned a stainless pocket knife, or even silverware. You don't even need to read the article, it should have been obvious to everyone - particularly the designers at Tesla.
There's a fairly good reason modern vehicles are mostly made from Aluminum and Plastic.
Modern vehicles are still made with steel, if I am not mistaken (since I own two). I also think the designers did a fine job over at Tesla. It's more baffling that the automaker decided to forego a layer of clear coat---just like with all other cars---because they think they can defy the elements, or up-sell you on that $5000 wrap that they are offering.
That depends. Many auto bodies are made from aluminum and plastic these days, while the ones that continue to use steel for some body panels coat them not just with clear coat, but also paint. Chassis/frames are steel, but not exposed directly to sunlight, and typically have a coating as well.
Bare, exposed steel is pretty dumb in all things except perhaps looks (until it rusts).
Thank you. This seems to just further emphasize the absurdity of selling bare stainless vehicles to consumers that drive on public roads, in all kinds of conditions including salted winter roads.
It's a choice. All engineering choices have consequences, and no material is perfect. It doesn't seem much more absurd than other parts of the vehicle, to me. Bare stainless has been used on other vehicles before. It provides a certain aesthetic.
Engineers deal with more than just functional design requirements. There were also undoubtably other requirements pertaining to manufacturing, cost, and cosmetics which were a factor here. If cost and manufacturing weren't a factor, they could have just CNC'd the panels out of very fancy stainless grades that are a pain to stamp and cost a lot.
I think the issue is they decided what it should look like before they designed the rest of the vehicle. They wanted something that looked unusual... and now they have unusual problems to deal with.
There's no practical reason to make the vehicle have bare stainless panels, or "unbreakable" breakable windows, etc. It's marketing gimmicks that now seem to be developing into a PR issue. Time will tell..
The very fact that they try to upsell a wrap is absurd enough and obviously indicates Tesla was worried this might become an issue. The wrap should have been included... or some form of coating.
Other manufacturers also make new engineering choices in the name of styling that create unusual problems. Because selling the car is part of the design requirements.
As one of many examples, Mazda's Soul Red Crystal paint has some special formulations and application steps that were a departure from other types of automotive paint. It has no purpose other than cosmetics, and it had some issues when it was introduced. It was also more challenging and expensive to repair.
Styling may be a 'marketing gimmick', but it is an inherent requirement to selling cars in volume.
> The very fact that they try to upsell a wrap is absurd enough and obviously indicates Tesla was worried this might become an issue.
Some other manufacturers do this for painted cars too, because clear-coat is brittle and chipping is a known cosmetic issue that can occur.
At the end of the day, I don't think it's any more unacceptable that cybertruck owners need to hit their truck with some scotchbrite to remove tiny rust specs than it is unacceptable that toyota owners need to hit their hood with some touch up paint to remove tiny paint chips. It's all just minor cosmetic wear and tear.
> At the end of the day, I don't think it's any more unacceptable that cybertruck owners need to hit their truck with some scotchbrite to remove tiny rust specs than it is unacceptable that toyota owners need to hit their hood with some touch up paint to remove tiny paint chips.
I'd argue both are unacceptable, and sure enough you'll find plenty of complaints from owners with chipped paint.
The difference is, the rust issue was predictable.
> Because selling the car is part of the design requirements.
> it is an inherent requirement to selling cars in volume
Let's not kid ourselves here - it's a Tesla truck and it would have sold in similar numbers even if it didn't look like something out of a video game. It may have actually sold better if it's design wasn't so divisive...
The reality is a bunch of people are buying/have bought this particular vehicle expecting luxury/premium and instead are being surprised by rust. Hence... the negative PR.
It is a choice. The choice is also motivated by a Big Idea: ELiminate every part you don't need. This sounds like a good idea to the point some people will adopt it uncritically, but when you start eliminating parts, like paint, or an anti-pinch sensor, or LIDAR, that you might actually need, you just create technical debt and future recall liability. Bad dogma.
I'm curious to see how the material looks after a few years in the wild. If it were clear coated, we wouldn't get a proper stress test. Solving this problem is basically the only reason for the Cybertruck to exist.
It'll be a great *eats popcorn* scenario for those who didn't buy one.
Modern vehicles use plastic or aluminum on the most common rust points. Rockers, wheel wells, bumpers.
Go look under the car, that’s where all of the steel is. Unless your car is new or has literally never seen water/salt, that’s where the rust is going to be.
I don't fully understand how a sacrificial anode works, beyond the basics. Wouldn't each body panel need one? They must also be replaced regularly from my understanding.
It seems like it would have been easier for Tesla to just coat the metal from the factory... or include the wrap in the price of the vehicle.
i don't get it. my kitchen sink is stainless, as are various cookware, and they are regularly exposed to water with no problems. what's the difference?
still confused, what could possibly be in rainwater or coastal humidity that isn't in dirty dishwater? i get the focus is on salty water on the coastline, but i can guarantee the dish sink has been exposed to extremely concentrated salt solutions.
I have no idea if this is the salient difference, but rainwater is actually slightly acidic -- it absorbs CO2 as it forms in the air, which combines with the water and turns into carbonic acid, H2CO3.
I think it’s because your kitchen sink and cookware aren’t regularly exposed to other corrosive elements that damage that a car left parked outside would be.
The article mentions this:
> Once the chromium oxide barrier is breached, corrosion takes hold. And caveat emptor, because Tesla's owner's manual advises promptly removing corrosive substances, emphasizing not to wait until the Cybertruck is scheduled for a "complete wash,”
I think kitchenware will eventually suffer from the same problems, but it’s just not exposed to the same level of wear and tear as a car, so you’ll see things rust after maybe 10+ years, versus <=1 like with CyberTrucks
> it’s just not exposed to the same level of wear and tear as a car
is it because the kitchenware is washed more regularly than a car would be?
also, to add anecdotal evidence, I have some stainless, non-coated hardware on my deck, directly exposed for 18 months now, and there is zero rust.
not trying to be contrary, just saying i have used stainless things but never experienced rust on them. either it's coming, or the stainless i have is somehow all better, or something else is up.
I put a plastic item in a stainless steel bowl and added bleach. I left it for several days because I was trying to remove some persistent stains from the item. When I checked it, the bleach had corroded through the stainless steel.
I would imagine that road salt stuck into seams would, over time, also corrode stainless steel. If there are small gaps, it can get in there and be hard to clean out. Just like getting food caught between your teeth and not flossing.
There isn’t just one “stainless steel” everyone uses there are a vast number of grades and types for all applications and rust resistance is only one attribute
Iirc kitchen sinks are 304 and the cyber truck is a special 301 Tesla formulated. Marine is 316
First, 'Stainless' is not a single item and in fact a wide variety of alloys with sliiiightly differing compositions which confer more or less corrosion resistance in favor of other mechanical attributes of the finished product. I have read (but must admit I do not know the accuracy of the claim) that Tesla went with a harder yet less corrosion resistant form of stainless for the cybertruck.
Second, while they see regular use the profiles of wear for e.g. cookware are very different than that of a car's body. For one, you likely thoroughly clean your cookware relatively soon after using it. How often is the car thoroughly washed down? The outside chemicals, road de-icer, quantity of UV or other environmental effects that differ between the daily life of your average chef's knife and a given cybertruck also very much play into it.
The comparison point is a kitchen sink, not a chef’s knife, and Cybertrucks rust after only a few days in the rain, and somewhere it doesn’t snow. Some stainless steels don’t even rust in salt water. They could have chosen a stainless steel that wouldn’t rust, they just didn’t. It could be a mechanical compromise, but the shell isn’t pushing mechanical requirements. I think it’s much more likely cost cutting, supplier problems, aesthetics, ineptitude, or a sleazy attempt to sell more wraps. Whatever it is, it was avoidable.
Kitchen sink is washed with water and left to dry immediately.
Additionally, it is exposed only to mildly chlorinated water (or detergents that will protect the sink).
The Cyberpuck does not always get the luxury of air drying even.
It is consistently exposed to acid rain and sometimes to high concetrations of road salt and sand eating the smooth surface making it vulnerable.
There are lots of different 'stainless steels', some are more resistant to rust than others. Stainless steel just means 'less susceptible to rust and staining than other steels'.
Unverified reports based on statements made before the truck came out discusses 301 stainless, most cookware is made from 304, 301 is cheaper and less resistant to staining and rust. The delorian was also built with 301 laid over fiberglass for the body-panelling (maybe so that the rust would be where you could see it and scotchbrite the fuck out of it). 301 isn't particularly salt-resistant though, so if you have a cybertruck anywhere that regularly salts their roads or near the coast salt air...
Didn't he show his penis to one of his female employees and then offer to buy her a horse? Is that behavior that you find acceptable (I genuinely don't know what people base their morality on anymore)? Would you associate with someone who did that? That is merely one of his recent antics. Honestly, selling rusty cars doesn't seem all that bad in comparison, but it isn't good either.
Well, if I'm taking shots anyway, here's the one that really got me:
> JP Doherty did not want to sign the email. But he knew he didn’t have a choice. His son, Rhys, was scheduled to have strabismus surgery in January, correcting an eye issue that made it difficult for him to walk on his own. The procedure cost $10,000 out of pocket. Doherty discussed the decision with his wife, and while she wanted him to be able to quit, they both knew the kids needed his health insurance.
This is one of the employees who signed the "hardcore" ultimatum that Musk set for his employees at Twitter.
The plutocrats who exert outsized control of our lives get outsized attention in the media, as it has always been.
Yea it could be. That’s certainly a rational and well thought out explanation.
But how would we ever be able to tell if there was a deliberate campaign or not? The man has himself tried to assemble a social media network and his own information machine. Shouldn’t that imply that he is trying to counter another existing system? How would we ever know besides questioning the narrative like I’m trying to do whether we were in a narrative generation system?
I’m aware of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc nature of the question, but as we enter the AI era I see precious little discussion of this stuff and its effects and it’s notable to me that just raising question greets massive downvoted and negative attention on social media platforms.
No argument here. But not what I was trying to talk about. It’s the machine that’s generating the constant stream of information that interests me, not who or why they are doing so.
Very loud, unpleasant, irritating person does stupid stuff, people point and laugh. I mean, I think you’re looking for a conspiracy where none exists here; this is human nature. See “The Emperor’s New Clothes”.
Not a conspiracy at all and I think you’re kind of missing the point in asking about with that statement.
I am asking if anyone is becoming aware of the machine that seems to be shaping public opinion and how difficult it is to even talk about the idea of an opinion shaping machine?
Seems like we should be able to have a civil converation on HN in 2024 about media shaping public opinion and whether it seems like there is a pattern to negative news stories around public figures that are out of fashion without it becoming a “conspiracy conversation” at this point.
I mean all of media seems increasingly coordinated to the halls of power, investigative journalism is almost dead, and billionaires or the large companies they control own almost all media at this point. Does asking whether there appears to be a coordinated system trying to shape public opinion across social media now automatically generate “conspiracy” tags? That seems naive at this point.
I’m concerned because what I’m seeing in my life from people I know personally VS what I see online have diverged greatly. The conversations I have with people who work in technology and are “plugged in” are very similar and seem propelled by the same talking points and opinions, especially when I interact with people who aren’t technologists or more Internet connected. It’s really interesting how profoundly “shaped” a lot of people are in why they think.
But what’s even more interesting is how profoundly hostile people become whenever you ask whether their opinions are being shaped or whether they are seeing that the system is feeding a steady diet of “what to think about who” that seems to be working really profoundly well on public opinions.
It kind of concerns me because the population seems kind of unaware and unprepared for the Internet to become largely machine generated which is inevitable at this point. People aren’t questioning things at all. That’s kinda concerning to me.
I’m not questioning the news. I’m asking whether the massive surge in negative news is a disinformation system at work. If can’t even ask on social media because everyone has a parroted opinion from recent news events.
I've noticed it too. There's a weird online bubble that really has it out for Tesla/Elon, and then gets offended when you question it. Don't know if it's organic or incited by some motivated group or what. It's annoying at first but now it's just part of the daily news/social media filter I apply to anything I read these days.
In real life, in my Asian tech friend circle, no one cares, we just keep driving and buying our Teslas (or Rivians or BMWs). Elon's shenanigans is never a subject that comes up because it has no bearing on our lives. My American friend circle spends time on reddit/twitter and sometimes they have negative opinions but generally don't care much either.
Thank you. I was about to delete this entire thread because it just went BOOM! So appreciate a legit response.
That’s the same for me. My friend groups and I barely talk about the dude.
I keep thinking about Bernay’s statements that you can’t change that people talk but you can influence what they talk about.
It’s weird that nobody I talk to not online reply gives a crap about Elon or his antics except as casual conversation but online it’s like this insane and constant buzz. The contrast is striking.
Maybe. But just look at the comment replies to this question on the highbrow HN community.
Even your own comments about him being an ugly commenter on X and putting out an ugly truck are mainstream opinions that have been greatly parroted across media in recent weeks.
I don’t use X and never really liked Twitter so I don’t know what he’s been posting, so apologies for not having a great opinion.
I was trying to ask the question about whether anyone sees the giant propaganda effort or not, not become some Elon defender.
Do understand that I’m not asking about Elon, I’m asking about the media machine that’s coming after him, and pointing out that any discussion of the rather obvious and concerted effort going after the man gets shouted down by populist opinions and social media haters.
Is there no room to question the machine? Everyone seems to have the same opinions and asking, “hey, anyone else see the concerted effort to destroy this man through the media as evidence of a pretty clear coordinated system?”Just leads to obliteration on social media. It’s crazy hard to discuss the evidence of opinion engineering efforts around unpopular people without people using the opinions generated by that machine to try to silence you from questioning its existence. I mean it’s been a minute since I’ve heard a considered opinion on Elon or Tesla that wasn’t based on an article talking point, and that’s what I’m trying to talk about.
I don’t think there’s a concerted effort in general: I think Schadenfreude is alive and well, and I’m (very) cautiously optimistic that the public is tired of bullies.
"it really looks like a deliberate attempt to influence public opinion"
I'm much less concerned about thousands of redditors bagging on Musk than I am about Musk's ability to influence public opinion, which he has extraordinary power to do as someone with a huge megaphone and $200B to splash around.
Absolutely. It’s clear he is trying to set up his own influence machine. It should make the use of an influence machine against him a more realistic point of conversation, but just raising the question on social media is almost impossible.
Musk doesn’t build anything without a paradigm shift. Up until now we’ve only known “paint the car, wash it, wax it, touch up, repaint or else it will rust out and fall apart.” The new paradigm with the CT could be “it’s so hard it barely dents, the finish will age and develop a patina over time but stop worrying about it because it will never rust out in your lifetime.”
Yeah I want my car to look good and clean, but I think this will be an easy fix and some small adjustments to your standard wash process could be all that’s need.
I already have an iron remover I use on my painted car before I apply ceramic coating. It’s not standard for people to do that when washing but it’s also not an exotic procedure.
I watched a video about it after Cybertruck release, but can't figure out which one it was mentioned in to share it, but basically, yes, the knew about this, its mentioned in the owners manual. If I recall correctly, the video mentioned that it should be covered when not in use, and it will suck if birds are shitting (uncovered) on it too.
Edit:
Found link to Owners Manual breakdown / Video
Why wouldn't they add sacrificial anodes which should be replaced every year or something like that? It seems like a cheap an effective solution but I'm no rust expert.
Is it possible that the kind of stainless steel selected was specifically chosen to be hard so that Musk could say it’s “literally bullet proof”, and this rusting is a consequence of that?
If so, you know there are mechanical and materials engineers who work at Tesla who were internally screaming during the WHOLE development process. Can you imagine the stress of being tasked with something so stupid?
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[ 1875 ms ] story [ 5609 ms ] threadThere's a fairly good reason modern vehicles are mostly made from Aluminum and Plastic.
Bare, exposed steel is pretty dumb in all things except perhaps looks (until it rusts).
Most are phosphated, then e-coated, then primed, then painted, then clear-coated.
The other bare stainless vehicles learned the same lesson (and are not produced today).
There's no practical reason to make the vehicle have bare stainless panels, or "unbreakable" breakable windows, etc. It's marketing gimmicks that now seem to be developing into a PR issue. Time will tell..
The very fact that they try to upsell a wrap is absurd enough and obviously indicates Tesla was worried this might become an issue. The wrap should have been included... or some form of coating.
As one of many examples, Mazda's Soul Red Crystal paint has some special formulations and application steps that were a departure from other types of automotive paint. It has no purpose other than cosmetics, and it had some issues when it was introduced. It was also more challenging and expensive to repair.
Styling may be a 'marketing gimmick', but it is an inherent requirement to selling cars in volume.
> The very fact that they try to upsell a wrap is absurd enough and obviously indicates Tesla was worried this might become an issue.
Some other manufacturers do this for painted cars too, because clear-coat is brittle and chipping is a known cosmetic issue that can occur.
e.g. https://autoparts.toyota.com/products/product/paint-protecti...
At the end of the day, I don't think it's any more unacceptable that cybertruck owners need to hit their truck with some scotchbrite to remove tiny rust specs than it is unacceptable that toyota owners need to hit their hood with some touch up paint to remove tiny paint chips. It's all just minor cosmetic wear and tear.
I'd argue both are unacceptable, and sure enough you'll find plenty of complaints from owners with chipped paint.
The difference is, the rust issue was predictable.
> Because selling the car is part of the design requirements.
> it is an inherent requirement to selling cars in volume
Let's not kid ourselves here - it's a Tesla truck and it would have sold in similar numbers even if it didn't look like something out of a video game. It may have actually sold better if it's design wasn't so divisive...
The reality is a bunch of people are buying/have bought this particular vehicle expecting luxury/premium and instead are being surprised by rust. Hence... the negative PR.
It'll be a great *eats popcorn* scenario for those who didn't buy one.
Go look under the car, that’s where all of the steel is. Unless your car is new or has literally never seen water/salt, that’s where the rust is going to be.
sacrificial anode
For the truck might be really easy to attach and not such a bad idea
It seems like it would have been easier for Tesla to just coat the metal from the factory... or include the wrap in the price of the vehicle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Country_Squire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Country_Squire#/media/Fil...
https://www.insidehook.com/autos/buy-the-national-lampoons-v...
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Rat%E2%80%99s+Style+cars&at...
It also is usually rinsed after use, and sits dry in a climate controlled indoor environment 99.9% of the time.
The article mentions this: > Once the chromium oxide barrier is breached, corrosion takes hold. And caveat emptor, because Tesla's owner's manual advises promptly removing corrosive substances, emphasizing not to wait until the Cybertruck is scheduled for a "complete wash,”
I think kitchenware will eventually suffer from the same problems, but it’s just not exposed to the same level of wear and tear as a car, so you’ll see things rust after maybe 10+ years, versus <=1 like with CyberTrucks
is it because the kitchenware is washed more regularly than a car would be?
also, to add anecdotal evidence, I have some stainless, non-coated hardware on my deck, directly exposed for 18 months now, and there is zero rust.
not trying to be contrary, just saying i have used stainless things but never experienced rust on them. either it's coming, or the stainless i have is somehow all better, or something else is up.
I would imagine that road salt stuck into seams would, over time, also corrode stainless steel. If there are small gaps, it can get in there and be hard to clean out. Just like getting food caught between your teeth and not flossing.
Most sinks and silverware are typically fairly rust resistant varieties of stainless, and are exposed to pretty minimally demanding conditions.
There isn’t just one “stainless steel” everyone uses there are a vast number of grades and types for all applications and rust resistance is only one attribute
Iirc kitchen sinks are 304 and the cyber truck is a special 301 Tesla formulated. Marine is 316
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_steel_grades
There are also different ways to “finish” it citric vs nitric acid baths for instance
Second, while they see regular use the profiles of wear for e.g. cookware are very different than that of a car's body. For one, you likely thoroughly clean your cookware relatively soon after using it. How often is the car thoroughly washed down? The outside chemicals, road de-icer, quantity of UV or other environmental effects that differ between the daily life of your average chef's knife and a given cybertruck also very much play into it.
The Cyberpuck does not always get the luxury of air drying even. It is consistently exposed to acid rain and sometimes to high concetrations of road salt and sand eating the smooth surface making it vulnerable.
Unverified reports based on statements made before the truck came out discusses 301 stainless, most cookware is made from 304, 301 is cheaper and less resistant to staining and rust. The delorian was also built with 301 laid over fiberglass for the body-panelling (maybe so that the rust would be where you could see it and scotchbrite the fuck out of it). 301 isn't particularly salt-resistant though, so if you have a cybertruck anywhere that regularly salts their roads or near the coast salt air...
> JP Doherty did not want to sign the email. But he knew he didn’t have a choice. His son, Rhys, was scheduled to have strabismus surgery in January, correcting an eye issue that made it difficult for him to walk on his own. The procedure cost $10,000 out of pocket. Doherty discussed the decision with his wife, and while she wanted him to be able to quit, they both knew the kids needed his health insurance.
This is one of the employees who signed the "hardcore" ultimatum that Musk set for his employees at Twitter.
The plutocrats who exert outsized control of our lives get outsized attention in the media, as it has always been.
But how would we ever be able to tell if there was a deliberate campaign or not? The man has himself tried to assemble a social media network and his own information machine. Shouldn’t that imply that he is trying to counter another existing system? How would we ever know besides questioning the narrative like I’m trying to do whether we were in a narrative generation system?
I’m aware of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc nature of the question, but as we enter the AI era I see precious little discussion of this stuff and its effects and it’s notable to me that just raising question greets massive downvoted and negative attention on social media platforms.
I am asking if anyone is becoming aware of the machine that seems to be shaping public opinion and how difficult it is to even talk about the idea of an opinion shaping machine?
Seems like we should be able to have a civil converation on HN in 2024 about media shaping public opinion and whether it seems like there is a pattern to negative news stories around public figures that are out of fashion without it becoming a “conspiracy conversation” at this point.
I mean all of media seems increasingly coordinated to the halls of power, investigative journalism is almost dead, and billionaires or the large companies they control own almost all media at this point. Does asking whether there appears to be a coordinated system trying to shape public opinion across social media now automatically generate “conspiracy” tags? That seems naive at this point.
I’m concerned because what I’m seeing in my life from people I know personally VS what I see online have diverged greatly. The conversations I have with people who work in technology and are “plugged in” are very similar and seem propelled by the same talking points and opinions, especially when I interact with people who aren’t technologists or more Internet connected. It’s really interesting how profoundly “shaped” a lot of people are in why they think.
But what’s even more interesting is how profoundly hostile people become whenever you ask whether their opinions are being shaped or whether they are seeing that the system is feeding a steady diet of “what to think about who” that seems to be working really profoundly well on public opinions.
It kind of concerns me because the population seems kind of unaware and unprepared for the Internet to become largely machine generated which is inevitable at this point. People aren’t questioning things at all. That’s kinda concerning to me.
In real life, in my Asian tech friend circle, no one cares, we just keep driving and buying our Teslas (or Rivians or BMWs). Elon's shenanigans is never a subject that comes up because it has no bearing on our lives. My American friend circle spends time on reddit/twitter and sometimes they have negative opinions but generally don't care much either.
That’s the same for me. My friend groups and I barely talk about the dude.
I keep thinking about Bernay’s statements that you can’t change that people talk but you can influence what they talk about.
It’s weird that nobody I talk to not online reply gives a crap about Elon or his antics except as casual conversation but online it’s like this insane and constant buzz. The contrast is striking.
Even your own comments about him being an ugly commenter on X and putting out an ugly truck are mainstream opinions that have been greatly parroted across media in recent weeks.
I don’t use X and never really liked Twitter so I don’t know what he’s been posting, so apologies for not having a great opinion.
I was trying to ask the question about whether anyone sees the giant propaganda effort or not, not become some Elon defender.
Do understand that I’m not asking about Elon, I’m asking about the media machine that’s coming after him, and pointing out that any discussion of the rather obvious and concerted effort going after the man gets shouted down by populist opinions and social media haters.
Is there no room to question the machine? Everyone seems to have the same opinions and asking, “hey, anyone else see the concerted effort to destroy this man through the media as evidence of a pretty clear coordinated system?”Just leads to obliteration on social media. It’s crazy hard to discuss the evidence of opinion engineering efforts around unpopular people without people using the opinions generated by that machine to try to silence you from questioning its existence. I mean it’s been a minute since I’ve heard a considered opinion on Elon or Tesla that wasn’t based on an article talking point, and that’s what I’m trying to talk about.
I'm much less concerned about thousands of redditors bagging on Musk than I am about Musk's ability to influence public opinion, which he has extraordinary power to do as someone with a huge megaphone and $200B to splash around.
Yeah I want my car to look good and clean, but I think this will be an easy fix and some small adjustments to your standard wash process could be all that’s need.
I already have an iron remover I use on my painted car before I apply ceramic coating. It’s not standard for people to do that when washing but it’s also not an exotic procedure.
Edit: Found link to Owners Manual breakdown / Video
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-owners-manual-rev...
And from there found exact spot where it talks about maintenance / cleaning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXY5zBpfGOw&t=1358s
https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6pY4pdkHik
Some more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39354342
If so, you know there are mechanical and materials engineers who work at Tesla who were internally screaming during the WHOLE development process. Can you imagine the stress of being tasked with something so stupid?