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Have you noticed something similar where you work in the past year? (promos going to those in-office or hybrid over remote workers)
In my company ELT tries hard to move work to offshore site because it’s cheaper. In crossoffice team of ~40 people all promos were done in offshore site. This way they hope people in expensive site will quit.
Incredible they’re willing to admit so openly that promotions are not based on work performance.

Makes me want to work less.

Maybe that's the point.

Then all the remote workers can be put on PIP for not working as hard as their in-office counterparts

They understand saying no to remote work would mean a lot of people will start looking for new jobs. Playing with employees emotions attached with promotions to induce them rolling the dice by coming to office....Working from office also doesn't mean you would get promotion... Your skills and experience are what get you ahead truly, rest are a mirage which break with mass firings to save costs....
> Your skills and experience are what get you ahead truly

In a decade of working in the industry I have found this to never have been the case. Every promotion I've ever gotten except for maybe the first few gimme promotions was because I was on the radar of someone important enough to make that decision.

Would they really put you on the radar just for being memorable and friendly? Or are your skills what put you on the radar?
The only reason I was on the radar is because I knew who to socialize with and what they wanted. After early senior engineer every promotion thereafter is typically political.

My first order of business at any company is to sort people into buckets of "they can help me" and "they cannot help me" and focus entirely on the first bucket. Those "after work beers" (or the remote equivalent) is where most of the work is actually done, imo. That is not to say I am without merit. But the assertion I am making is I could've probably bullshitted my way into even more positions if my moral compass was just a little bit more skewed.

I suppose changing the way you act around a certain person with power is a skill and the reward is the promotion. I know several people at or above my skill level that were promoted either later, or not at all, due to not realizing (or not caring) that merit means almost nothing. Of course, merit is what seals the deal - but "managing your manager" is more important than merit. Similarly, I've used a promotion of my own to put people I like on the right person's radar. It pays to know people. In this case, literally.

Isn't getting on the radar of someone important, a skill? Knowingly or unknowingly you did something that gave you an edge..If you did it unknowingly then you can saya pure luck..But if you are able to knowingly repeat it, isn't thay skill sir...
tho the parent poster could mean the skill in the job, rather than people pleasing skills.

Of course, it's a meme now-a-days, that meritocracy is how you (don't) get promoted, which is what the parent poster is lamenting.

> Your skills and experience are what get you ahead truly

In my experience are most people who get promotions and most money, the ones who talk the most bullshit and shout the loudest. Especially people who just keep talking for talking sake and use a lot of abbreviations and tech terms, thus sounding like they know everything to management while in reality suck at everything, are quite common. One of my ‘colleagues’ in a company I consult for at the moment, is the head devops, he talks so much that I think he has some undiagnosed issue; he puts kubernetes ‘words’ (control plane, sidecar, compute mesh, bla bla) into every sentence even if we are not talking about devops at all. Then when he actually needs make a docker file, he fires up chatgpt and spends hours testing and finishing it. It’s his job ffs. And he got promoted over the other guy who I barely see and who actually does the work. They are 2 guys on the devops team so neither is supposed to be managing only or anything. It’s just one current example but all the companies I visit have a bunch of these and they are often more ‘respected’ than the skill and experience people, money wise. It is a reason why I made my own company and come in as a tech consultant instead; no use for this crap in my life; if they don’t pay my yearly inflation/market corrections, I just drop them. Clients enough.

This is a good thing, they're being honest and letting employees decide if that matters to them or not. I guarantee a lot of places have this as a 'soft' unspoken policy and just don't say it out loud.

This is good for workers and good for owners. More places should put their policies out in the open.

I’m just a shareholder, not employee or customer. For me it doesn’t inspire confidence in future performance. Seems like one of those stupid bean-counter moves that leads to organizational decline.

I wouldn’t call this “a good thing”, except in the very narrow perspective that you analyzed (I agree that honesty between management and employees generally leads to better outcomes). But I think the benefits of the honesty are far outweighed by the idiocy of the policy.

The good thing is that you can sell your stock if you don’t agree with management and invest in their competitors who are encouraging remote work.
SG&A is a cost on the income statement. This can only improve their quarterly earnings. Unfortunate it's the case, but stocks don't appreciate on goodwill (real goodwill not the line item).
As an investor, I have a question for you. Kindly answer if you have the time. I have always wondered why aren’t the shareholders encouraging WFH more? Clearly it’s cost savings for the company that would help the bottom line. Or is it because investors usually hold a bag of stuff and in them are REITs and companies that own the buildings and people don’t want their portfolio to suffer?
Biggest investors are Vanguard/Fidelity/etc (anyone who can vote with clients’ 401k shares). $10,000-100,000 doesn’t buy you any influence or control. Some companies like Meta are still 51% controlled by the founder.
The people directly managing the investment are unlikely to also be holding REITs, so your assumption is valid. I think it's basically that: - The people who care about company profit are the asset managers, who will tend to implement their ideas by selling/buying shares, rather than trying to encourage a given company's management towards better practice - Corporate governance itself is therefore usually outsourced to proxy voting companies, who are quite conservatively-minded (and spread quite thin) and so won't tend to micro-manage, they'll assume that profit maximization is the job of management - The only thing the proxy voting companies will tend to have a say on is ESG-related, and WFH doesn't really fit into that
Few investors want RTO. I am a shareholder (vested) in a large tech company that communicates about the WFH/RTO matter with investors less than they do with their employees.

I can only imagine that executives want to please REITs and RE hedges so they don't dump the stock, even they own relatively little, as many executives are constantly cashing out at a slow rate. It's not for the good of the business because the days of equity financing and attracting investment is far in the rear view mirror for most large tech, and because we know this harms companies in the long-term. It might just be personal greed.

By my rough estimate, Sundar Pichai sold an average of $1.8M of Alphabet stock every month since 2015. A 3% dip on the stock would have made him make perhaps $50k less pcm. Wallmine says he's now selling at a rate of $16-40M a month. 3% is $0.5-1.2M loss every month. At that scale, the downsides of RTO to these executives pale in comparison to their personal losses if they don't please REITs.

All the other employees with peanuts in vested equity probably see it differently. I know I do. I'll take a $1k hit to not make all my colleagues go through RTO when they've moved away during the pandemic, have them pull their kids out of school, move out of their dream house, abandon their parents who need care, etc.

I've seen this take a few times about this story. It is despicable to have a blanket policy that excludes remote workers from promotions. Or maybe you don't think so! But in both cases, whether the company engages in honest communication is a tangential issue. There is certainly nothing wrong with discussing a related tangential issue, but using the context of that issue exclusively to characterize the news story ("this is a good thing") makes it seem like there is an ulterior motive, or is at the very least confusing.
Why is it despicable? This is a pretty free situation - the company is free to value in-person interaction (which regardless of how heavily you weight it, does have nonzero value) and the worker is free to value the freedom that comes with WFH. If the two have disjoint values, either party can find a better match elsewhere in the big wide world. Its OK to have preferences, even when you might disagree with them.
Your framing is over-broad, in that it could be applied to any policy within the bounds of legality. I.e. it sounds like a purely legal opinion. Yes, I think it's despicable, subjectively. That's my opinion. Just because somebody is "free" to engage in a behavior, does not somehow make that behavior immune to a moral description like "despicable".

I also think "just switch jobs" is often (and in this case) a fallacious defense except as a purely "free market" idea, which, again, is another narrowing of context.

Employers have more power than employees. It is much easier for an employer to find a new employee than vice versa, in general. I don't mean statistically easier - I mean easier in the sense that humans use the word. The disruption to a business of finding a new employee is usually incomparable to the disruption to an employee's life of finding a new employer, on average.

Edit: I also am not particularly interested in the "is it despicable" conversation in the first place, hence why I allowed room with the "or maybe you disagree!" qualifier. "Despicable" as a moral judgment of policy is probably not something one is going to casually convince another person to switch sides on. I was primarily interested in critiquing your use of their honesty as the sole factor in arguing that "this is good", not critiquing your personal opinion on whether the policy itself is good.

They're saying the quiet part out loud. Remote folks have been snubbed for promos at lots of places since forever. Completely unnecessary for people on a tech ladder. (Managerial level requires more F2F but doesn't require full RTO)
This will result in the wrong people being promoted. Not good for the company.
I was going to replace my kid’s aging laptop this year with a Dell. But, I’m a big believer in remote work being the future.

I’m sure I will hardly send an impactful message, but dude, you’re totally not getting a Dell now.

Not a employment lawyer but sounds like this could border on constructive dismissal perhaps in combination with other RTO policies.
This is a really underhanded way to get disabled people who have trouble working in an office to leave en mass. The same for new parents, people struggling to care for elderly family members, and aging workers.

Does anyone know of an organization making the quiet part of this conversation louder?