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Is this just tricking a sensor into thinking it is cooler, or actually keeping the parts that matter cooler? If its the latter this is a great trick. If its the former, it's a hazard.
Considering the super chargers only have the single temperature sensor in the termination point, this is certainly a fire hazard.

However, it does raise the question if a shaded plugin spot, or rain could also present a similar fire hazard.

According to the article, there are also multiple temperature sensors inside the car that can trigger lowered current.
Next week the article will be "Tesla battery fires linked to use of wet towel during charging"
That classic combination of water with electric current, and tricking a safety sensor to boot. What could possibly go wrong?
It’s only 250 kilowatts of energy, so nothing really.
pedantically, 250 kW of power
Nothing pedantic about it. We live in an era where people ought to understand the difference between power (measured in watts) and energy (measured in joules, or calories, or watt-hours).

But for some reason this is widely misunderstood, resulting in frequent errors and poor decision making. The Times, a generally-reputable UK newspaper, once published a front page headline declaring that electric vehicles would require the equivalent of 20 new nuclear plants to be built in the UK. None of their fact checkers noticed that the entire article was based on an error that confused GWh (energy) with GW (power).

As long as the units are correct and people understand those, I'm not too worried about "energy" vs "power".
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Methinks safety sensors shouldn't be designed to be so easily fooled.
That’s an excellent Darwin Award acceptance speech! Short and to the point.
Don't like to see comments like these. I think it violates several HN guidelines, including this one:

> Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

Unfortunately there is no report button.

Fire alarms are easily fooled— just cover them with a wet towel. Does that make them bad safety sensors?
Not in their use case, which is the entire "perhaps this is a bad idea" take.
The fire alarm IS the senor, it's an alarm, it's in the name, it's pretty obvious to most people what happens if you fuck with it and what the consequences are, and people still do to combat false positive alarms.

But most people have no idea about the senor(s) in tesla charger plugs, since it's a plug, not an alarm. How should it be obvious for the average layman without open disclaimers? People always tend to fuck with stuff they don't fully understand if someone tells them that doing something quirky means extra oomph.

And forget about people putting towels on it, what about rain or wet debris falling on it? Seems like edge cases that should have been covered during the concept and design phase by EEs with experience. For something meant to survive and be used outdoor these are not even edge cases.

Are we confusing smoke detectors with fire alarms? Most people screw with the detectors. A fire alarm is usually triggered when a sprinkler head is set off. And despite what Hollywood shows us, just because one head starts does not mean all of the heads in the system open up.
I think that one depends on the system. I had a highrise fire safety training and I asked how other sprinklers knew to fire if they were heat activated and it turns out the pumps would kick out enough pressure to knock the other caps off.
If the point of the sensor is to keep the handle cool, and the wet towel cools the handle, does it really count as tricking it?
Depends on whether the important part to keep cool is the part of the handle that the towel dissipates heat from, or if that temperature reading is used as a proxy for the temperature of the entire cable.
Yeah, but since it's charging faster, it'll be done before the inaccurate temp readings allow the actual cable to melt. Or, if it's not the charger in your home and you're using someone else's charger, who cares if it melts. That's someone else's problem as long you get your batts topped off. At least, that's my cynical internal dialog for the world's mentality today.
Dude, you misspelled "higher currents will convert the cable into an unintentional fuse".
> That's someone else's problem

I assume the down votes are from people assuming you agree with, or take part in "because everyone else does so why shouldn't I", that mentality.

Of not, then you might want to clarify. Otherwise, I'm glad that in all likelyhood we'll never meet in real life.

"At least, that's my cynical internal dialog for the world's mentality today."

Did that not have the intended effect of stating that's how I feel other people think?

To me, yes.

To others, apparently not.

I have the same problem occasionally.

The towel doesn't really cool the cable, it just cools the temp sensor, which means now an important safety feature is indicating inaccurately. Best case, this could wear out the charger more quickly. Worst case, it wear out or damage your battery.
Not a lot. As mentioned in TFA, the chargers are designed to operate in the rain.
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The article makes it sound like this sensor is only to avoid the handle itself heating up to the point that it would burn the user.
It might be. Often the most restrictive thermal limit most products face is for touch safety (50 ~ 80 C, depending on the material's thermal conductivity and the extent of contact). For a handle that will be quite restrictive, because you'll be firmly gripping it. The materials themselves would probably survive substantially higher temperatures before failure. I'd guess that the first to fail would probably be adhesives and plastics, but they'd be engineered to survive hot days in direct sun, even if the handle gets too hot to touch safely.

(Disclaimer: I don't work for Tesla, and did not design the supercharger cabling, this is educated speculation).

I’d be seriously concerned about the risk of water ingress, but I figure it would be much safer to just have a little fan blasting the thing.
These things have to run in downpours of rain. A wet towel is nothing.
It's different, it's sort of very shallow submersion. IPX2 is the rating for angular rainfall; immersion (admittedly up to a meter of pressure, as it were, not just a towel wrap) is IPX7. I think certainly you could have a 'rainproof' product not withstand a wet towel.
I assure you that a wet towel is nothing like immersion. Immersion has significant pressure differentials, which is why IP ratings factor time as well.

If you don't believe me, wipe your computer down with a wet towel. Still works right?

Now submerge it, even briefly, and observe its functioning.

'sort of' and 'very shallow', I said.

You could write the same comment about it being nothing like dripping or spraying water ('If you don't believe me ... Now blast a hose at it') which was my point.

Different respondent here. I'd put it a different way. I don't think there's a realistic chance of problems with water infiltrating the charger from a wet towel. Maybe overheating, but I don't know about that.
That's fine, I've never seen one of them, I wasn't making a judgement on that. I said 'I think you could certainly have a product [...]'. Any porous material would be a lot more resistant to rain than the wet towel, for example.
> 'sort of' and 'very shallow', I said.

Yes, but you also said it was more than rainfall. A towel is so overly shallow that it becomes less than rain.

> Any porous material would be a lot more resistant to rain than the wet towel, for example.

That doesn't sound right to me. Rain will stick around in spots, and those spots will be wetter than under a towel.

No I did not. I said it's different.
If it's different in a way that is never more than rain, then how could it cause a problem?

It has to be more in some way for your argument to make logical sense.

Or was I unclear that I meant "more in some situations than rain ever is". If that's it, then sorry, my bad.

A fan wouldn't cool down a dry plastic handle. Fans cool you down because you are wet and the air flow makes the water on you evaporate a bit quicker.
Huh? Are you claiming convection doesn’t exist?
Fans cool things down when those things are hotter than the air.
All these people being wet blankets on this idea. I'm shocked, shocked.
It's just a little spark of inspiration.
Do you think it's possible to get the placement of the towel correct if you've gotten your finger chopped off by your Cybertruck?
This is a lesson that like all good Hitchhikers, you should always carry a towel.
Interesting that the V3 superchargers use a liquid-cooled cable. Without knowing anything specific, this implies that maintaining cable temperature is the objective, not just the handle. That means that the handle sensor proxies the temperature of the entire cable. I would imagine they measured the heat-dissipation site where the coolant flows to to be where they measure the temperature for regulation, rather than the handle.

All quite interesting.

The handle is probably the hottest point. There’s a mechanical connection there, so more resistance. At least, I think that’s the case.
Just because they advertise "liquid-cooled cable" doesn't mean that the primary intended beneficiary of the cooling effect is the wire-bits. It could instead be the handle-bits.

Both of these bits are constituent parts of the greater assembly commonly called a "charging cable," which includes [at least] both wire and connectors, and sometimes a handle.

It could mean that, yes. Do you know what it actually means? I am curious to know.
Nope. I am also pretty far removed from Tesla's engineering folks.
Reminds me of a watercooled tig welder setup.

Probably a market for setups that have water cooling jackets.

From a safety design standpoint, surely multiple redundant temperature sensors is the only way to go right?

The user might "life-hack" the cable into acting like a fuse with it in the handle, having it halfway down the cable risks complications like that portion of the cable lying in a puddle etc.

With good enough coverage, if they can all be kept cool, the cable likely is as well.