I think the least common PIN codes are fascinating. I'm surprised by the number of 7s in these. They looks like numbers you would end up with if you asked someone to think of a random 4 digit number.
During tax season (in US), for security, you may optionally create a 5 digit pin. I wanted mine to be unaffiliated with any existing pin I have, and chose a 'random' number and wrote it down. A year later I repeated this (and had long since forgotten the previous pin), went to go write it in the same place, and saw that both 'random' numbers had the same first four digits. I now use a computer to choose random numbers because I no longer trust myself to be random.
I know about the identity protection PIN, so I've been assuming this whole time that's what I was choosing a number for. It is possible I was just doing the self selected PIN and wasn't aware that I should be doing something additional for other one. FWIW I haven't needed the PIN later but saved them in case I did.
3,5,7 line up on the diagonal, leaving 2 as the only other prime. So people using physical patters are likely to choose them. Not to mention any mathematically inclined person may also choose all primes.
Funny/stupid anecdote: a bunch of my kids' friends have the same phone unlock PIN as me because I set my son's new phone PIN the same as mine so he would also be able to unlock my phone if necessary.
When his friends started getting phones as well, they copied his. This has migrated through some of the friends' siblings as well.
One of my kids friends uses the same pin as I had when he was a kid. I would give him and my kid my debit card and they would go get pizza if they cleaned my office.
So many silly scenes like this. I want to re-watch Futurama because last time I watched it was as a teenager, so I'm sure I missed many of subtle jokes.
Just so you can see the bias to early numbers in the distribution:
for i in $(seq 1000000); do
echo $[RANDOM%10000];
done | sort -n | uniq -c | sort -rn | gnuplot -e "set terminal dumb; set xtics 1000; plot '< cat' using 0:1 with boxes"
I think this gnuplot command makes the bias much more obvious (and even better with -persist and "set terminal x11"): gnuplot -e "set terminal dumb; set xtics 100; plot '<cat'"
Compare to the version that discards values over 3e4:
for i in $(seq 1000000); do x=$((RANDOM)); while test $x -gt 30000;do x=$((RANDOM)); done; echo $((x%10000)); done |sort|uniq -c |sort -rn |gnuplot -e "set terminal dumb; set xtics 100; plot '<cat'"
Or the version that uses the 32-bit SRANDOM, which reduces the bias by a factor of 2**17:
for i in $(seq 1000000); do echo $((SRANDOM%10000)); done | sort -n | uniq -c | sort -rn |gnuplot -e "set terminal dumb; set xtics 100; plot '<cat'"
I have a pin lock on a shared device, that friends use occassionally. Of the three friends I have given guest access to, all three asked for their pin to be 1234, to which I said no. One had the audacity to follow up with 123456
For serious though - one reason such utterly trivial codes are common are because the "lock" is just use as a fancy way of preventing the zipper from coming undone.
Likewise, on the internet, a lot of things prompt for passwords that really don't need them. People create throwaway accounts and use them as if they were temporary anonymous sessions.
Trust me, for the luggage this is a brilliant combination. Or something like 0000. Unless I work for a 3-letter institute, I leave all luggage to their default or the usual. If someone steals a luggage, that PIN is least of the problem but everyone else in the household will if you forgot your super-smart PIN.
I was disappointed that my typical PIN for low security things like the snack storage closet at work, 2112, isn't there. I figured there would be more Rush fans than there are I guess.
If this site did have a field where you could enter a pin to see how common it was, you could make a really targeted phishing attack by sending the link to someone whose pin you want to know, then looking at what they click on or enter ("I'll just see how good my pin is...")
In (game) Rust, the players can use 4 digit keylocks to secure their bases and brute forcing is indeed a strategy. The lock zaps and eventually kills you but even with that, a determined player can eventually get in.
61 pins are used by 1/3rd of all people. So statistically, if I steal 61 debit cards, assuming I have 3 tries, and assuming people choose their own pin, I should be able to get cash off one in expectation.
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List transcribed by ChatGPT: 8557, 8438, 9539, 7063, 6827, 0859, 6793, 0738, 6835, 8093, 9047, 0439, 8196, 6693, 7394, 9480, 8398, 7637, 9629, 8068.
Does it serve a security function? Am I supposed to remember what it is?
I know the IRS does have an identity protection PIN process, but that's separate.
I switched my passwords to correct-horse-battery-staple and now I'm super secure.
https://youtu.be/U6fxkOL83V4
Most to least common 4-digit PIN numbers from an analysis of 3.4M - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40306374 - (56 points, 18 comments, 5 days ago)
Most to least common 4-digit PIN numbers from an analysis of 3.4M - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40306374 - May 2024 (19 comments)
Statistical Analysis of PIN Numbers (2012) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11365962 - March 2016 (1 comment)
The 20 most common PIN numbers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11230045 - March 2016 (1 comment)
PIN analysis (2012) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11228319 - March 2016 (1 comment)
Analysis of bank PIN numbers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4535417 - Sept 2012 (111 comments)
(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40306374 didn't get any frontpage time so we won't treat current post as a dupe)
http://www.datagenetics.com/blog.html
Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40306374
Some previous discussions on the 2012 source of the data (http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/september32012/index.html)
2018 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17670173
2013 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5124024
2012 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4535417
When his friends started getting phones as well, they copied his. This has migrated through some of the friends' siblings as well.
> Fry: "10.77. Same as my PIN number."
So many silly scenes like this. I want to re-watch Futurama because last time I watched it was as a teenager, so I'm sure I missed many of subtle jokes.
Compare to the version that discards values over 3e4:
Or the version that uses the 32-bit SRANDOM, which reduces the bias by a factor of 2**17:Likewise, on the internet, a lot of things prompt for passwords that really don't need them. People create throwaway accounts and use them as if they were temporary anonymous sessions.
Edit: The joke hit me a tad late. ;-)