How are they threatening world peace ?
I travel a lot and I'm yet to meet a South American, an Asian or an Arab who considers Russia a threat to their peace.
Ukraine is a major global producer of grain. Russian attacks on Ukrainian Black Sea ports and grain storage facilities disrupted normal trade and contributed to food crises all over the world. Western air defense systems currently protect Ukrainian ports and NATO warships from Bulgaria and Romania sweep Ukrainian shipping lanes to keep them open and protect international commercial vessels carrying Ukrainian grain, but few people are even aware of the link between Russian attacks and rising food prices, because most people get their information from the social media, where cheap sensational anti-American trash like Area 51 and 9/11 conspiracy theories dominate over high quality information.
Because at the same time as they're invading Ukraine and conducting clandestine attacks across Europe, they're also cultivating a relationship with North Korea and Iran, and encouraging them to pick fights while the US and NATO are distracted.
I think you ignored the spirit of Prbeek's question. I live in one of the countries that belong to the "global south", and have a very different perspective, along with most of my countrymen, because what that Kremlin asshat is doing is not unique to Russia in the slightest. I hope one day you (not personally you) learn to respect that and remember that the world is much bigger than a few Western countries. Let's leave it at that.
And I suppose by your logic, the wars that were not started by western countries prove that all those non-western countries are just as bad as the western ones?
Seems like your heuristic is "engaged in war => equal & bad", which I believe would describe every modern nationstate.
What i am saying is that westerners countries act like the world is ending because Russia is doing those things, that Russia is the big bad and that everyone should be scared..
But when they did to the rest of the world it was just business..
It was just pointing out the hypocrisy of westerners countries.. When they do it, it is ok, when others do it, it is a problem..
Most of the global south think westerners countries overall all are all big bad as much as Russia is..
The point that was made in this thread was that everyone should be worried about Russia doing this things while the response was the question on why should the global south be worried about it?
Specially when what Russia is doing is not news to us, we being trough all that time and time again..
Now, to be clear, i don't disagree that Russia is the big bad right now, but westerners countries are not any better..
And to be extra clear, i understand we do face consequences for stuff that Russia is doing to Ukraine, but the same way we face consequences of what westerners countries do all over the world.. So for us this is just another day dealing with the crap the world trough at us..
It would be good if Russia behavior taught westerners countries to not do those things and their behavior changed in the future but that is wishful thinking, we know that will not happen any time soon..
Yes, everyone in the world should be concerned about what Russia is doing because massive scale criminality is bad for everyone. If a neighbor invades your country and rapes your civilians, would you prefer everyone shrug it off?
War is awful 100% of the time and yes, less powerful countries often get the short end of the stick even in conflicts that don't directly involve them. That doesn't mean Russia and western countries are the same.
As recent as the west invading Iraq because fake chemical weapons that were never found and turn out they knew they never existed all along..
As recent as the west invading Afghanistan to fight Taliban, that the west had a hand in creating in the first place to fight the soviets in the 70s..
As recent as the tortures that took place in Guantanamo..
west and Russia are two sides of the same coin, same shit... The history is told by the winners and west is often the winners.. Does not mean they are always the right ones..
So let me draw it just to make it super duper clear..
West should indeed be worries about Russia, but do not expect the rest of the world to have any sympathy to you when you did the same thing to us at some point or another..
And to be really honest.. at the moment global south is much more worried about the west pushing back on China rising influence on the global south then whatever Russia is doing in Europe..
We are worried about what the west will do now that the parts of world decided to move away from the dollar for international trading to prevent the US from economically bulling other countries like it has always done with support from the rest of the west..
We have as much, if not more, to worry about from the west then we have to worry about from Russia..
Hell, if you look for you will find dozens upon dozens of cases of innocent being murdered by law enforcement WITHIN THE WEST, why the hell would you think that it is not happening in foreign soil as well, where there much less oversight..
Do you think that 5 service members raping someone, getting charged by the military, then getting sentenced to prison for decades is the same as what Russian soldiers are doing in Ukraine, for example in Bucha?
Can you link me to the articles about those soldiers being held accountable for their crimes?
Oh Yeah, lets tell that 14 years old girl that her being rape and murdered with her family is fine because the soldier were held accountable..
But i was thinking more on line of who knows how many times more that happened and it was successfully covered up like they tried, and failed, to do in this case..
Or on the lines of the Abu Ghraib prison where torture, sexual assault, rape, murder and desecration took place because the government authorized "enhanced interrogation techniques"..
A case that had the US government arguing that humanitarian laws like the Geneva convention did not apply to US interrogators oversea.. And that required a supreme court ruling to tell then that those laws indeed do apply to then..
And the people that were held accountable just were because journalists denounced what was going on and in the end they only prosecuted the soldiers, the higher ups that approved it did not face any major consequence..
This one have some pictures for you since you wanted some:
US also used "enhanced interrogation techniques" in Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp, again authorized by Bush administration. There is no evidence of rape here but not that it make it much better.. Had already mentioned that in case you missed..
Anxiously waiting your mental gymnastic to tell us how the US disregarding the international humanitarian laws and Geneva convention is fine..
West and the Russian are two sides of the same turd (and the rest of the world is not far behind).. the only difference is that the west want to play righteous and have to save face so they work to cover it up while the Russians just don't care and do it in the open..
In the end, you can stand in your made up pedestal as much as you want and think the west is better, the rest of the world knows the truth you like it or not..
I'm not saying any of this is fine, I'm saying they're not equally bad.
By analogy, a society that allows Crime X to happen with no repercussions is clearly and actually worse than a society in which Crime X occurs, but has repercussions.
The actions themselves could even be equally bad, and the society that produced them would not be equally bad. If you'd like evidence, please consider whether you have any preference about your family moving to the United States, Russia, Iran, or North Korea. All have crime, all have engaged in war, all have committed crimes against humanity. Therefore equal?
This is obvious for all but the most talented gymnasts :)
I would agree if as soon as this happened and the higher ups were made aware of they had took action to stop it immediately.. But we know that is not what happened..
I would agree if each and every person involved had faced repercussion regardless on how up they were in the command chain, but again it is not what happened..
Come on.. For this people to be so comfortable doing those things to the point they took photos of themselves doing it was because they were comfortable enough doing and sure there would be no repercussions.. And if the soldier were this comfortable to do those then and this sure there would be no repercussions i can almost guaranty you that it happened a lot more then what we know..
And again, there were no repercussions until the things were exposed.. It means that people did those things, and other people saw those things happening and did nothing about until much later when it got exposed to the public.. Then they threw some soldier under the bus to save face and moved on with their lives..
I will give you that in the west at least those things to get exposed and something happen even if only to the people at the bottom of the chain.. in Russia since they control the media they will just hide it, deny and just not care.. But both allowed it to happen and and only took action do damage control later when they needed.. Sorry if i find both equally nasty..
And those things surely makes me wonder how many more times other people did the same thing and hide it properly either because they knew there would be repercussions if it got exposed or because they received help to hide it from someone that knew..
Or if the higher ups that got away without repercussions ever allowed those things to happen again as long as there was no evidence left behind..
Sorry if i am not moved by half a dozen of peons being used as escape goats to save the ass of the higher ups that authorized all this either well aware of what was being done and not caring or not caring to find out to have plausible deniability later..
And not that you will believe but i honestly would not consider moving to the united states any more then i would consider living in Russia, Iran, North Korea, China and most of Europe..
And i will leave at that.. If you have not gotten it by now you will never get it..
Will just add one thing that i guess i did not made clear...
I bet you that both people in the west society and in Russia society condemn those actions..
It was not those society that allowed those things to happen.. It was the government...
So I am not judging either society, i am judging both governments..
The difference between west and Russia is the general population access to know what happened and their ability to held the government accountable..
And on that aspect i agree that the west is better then Russia..
But again, this is not what i am judging.. i am judging the government actions and motivations..
And both governments allowed those things to happen and both handled the problem after it came out and only enough to do damage control without making any real and lasting changes...
The only difference is that Russia does it by hidding from their people and\or lying to the people and west does it by throwing soldier goats under the bus but saved the ones that allowed it from any major repercution..
And looking trough that aspect i fill that both are equally bad..
Everyone know that not everyone in the west is to blame for those things happening, the same way everyone know that not everyone in Russia is to blame for what Russian soldier do...
That's far from true, yes the layman on the street may hold that opinion due to a lack of insight or due to undue focus on short term selfish interest.
But diplomatically, where geopolitics actually matter, this is not the case. They are indeed concerned. Specifically concerned for the erosion of rule of law (international law), which implicitly can lead to war.
FALSE: A media organization known as Tenet Media reached out to political commentators as a publisher for their shows. This organization was found to have received funding from Russian sources. The commentators were unaware of this and are considered victims of the scheme, as per the indictment.
No no, the commentators claim to have been unaware. And even if they were unaware, they were actually paid by Russia to advance Russian interest and they did just that, so GP is still accurate.
It is very difficult to believe their ignorance if you watch things like the currently circulating video of Tim Pool pounding a table and screaming how Ukraine is the enemy of the United States[1]. I found it a comically forced and poor attempt at propaganda, like something from a SNL sketch or a Borat movie.
The report button always existed. That's not what French police wants from him - they want to be able to listen to private (group) chats and to get IPs and phone numbers of participants.
> Q: There's illegal content on Telegram. How do I take it down?
> All Telegram chats and group chats are private amongst their participants. We do not process any requests related to them. But sticker sets, channels, and bots on Telegram are publicly available. If you find sticker sets or bots on Telegram that you think are illegal, please ping us at abuse@telegram.org. You can also use the 'report' buttons right inside our apps, see this post on our official @ISISwatch channel for details.
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> Q: There's illegal content on Telegram. How do I take it down?
> All Telegram apps have 'Report' buttons that let you flag illegal content for our moderators — in just a few taps. On Telegram for Android, tap the message and select Report from the menu. On iOS, press and hold the message. On Telegram Desktop, Web or Telegram for macOS, right-click the message and select Report. Then choose an appropriate reason. You can also use our automated takedown email address abuse@telegram.org. If you're sending an email takedown request, please make sure to include links (like t.me/... or @...) to the content on Telegram which you think needs attention from our moderators. Users from the EU are welcome to study the User Guidance for the EU Digital Services Act for the relevant reporting options.
In 1:1 chats the report button is for reporting spam, not for human moderation. In anybody wrote to you first, you could press the report button and the sender would get an automatic 1 week ban.
Very few people can agree what limits speech has. Some countries limit in certain ways, others don’t. Hell a lot of people can’t even agree on what “speech” means.
I believe peoples have a right to discuss whatever they want in perfect privacy. A messaging application advertising itself at "private" and "secure" shouldn't bow down at government requests. At least they should have dropped these slogans a long time ago...
Anyway peoples aware of that already switched to a superior platform (signal, matrix...)
I get what you are saying, if you report something you saw to the authorities (for example someone about to commit a grave crime) and show them voluntarily the conversation, no problems with that the platform isn't at fault here.
But the technology shouldn't allow the platform to get access to the whole conversation, just what you want to show/report. And that would be by design.
I'm not restating it, merely completing it, I'll rephrase it for you: nobody can agree on what the limits should be BUT everybody agrees there should be limits
apparently there's a screenshot out there of some Nazi tweeting "gas the Jews because they (some stupid Nazi reason)" and a reply saying "cisgender" and I'm sure you can guess which one has a tag under it saying it's been hidden from other people.
it's his personal blog, that's what people don't understand. he paid £40bn for it, he should be allowed to publish and support what he wants! what I don't understand is why others get offended when I call him a pathetic loser.
It's unclear what's meant by "private" chats here: I assume Telegram is not planning on breaking the encryption of E2EE Secret Chats and that the non-E2EE Cloud Chats will be subject to greater controls?
The typical way group chat encryption is done is the client generate a key per message, it use that key to encrypt the content of that single message.
Then it will encrypt the message key with personal key for each member of the group, and it can only do that for current members of the group.
Once you receive a message the client will use your personal key to decrypt the copy of the message key encrypted with it, then use the message key to decrypt the message.
The problem with this is that, first it does not escale, the larger the group gets the harder it is to encrypt the messages because you need to encrypt the message key with more and more personal keys, this make the work load bigger and the message size bigger as well. Telegram support very large groups that make encrypting groups not practical.
Also Telegram allow you to see older messages sent before you join the group as those get stored in the servers, if you join the group later then for older messages the per message key will not have being encrypted with your personal key so you cannot decrypt it, thus cannot decrypt the message.
You would need to either store the per message key unencrypted in the server and make encryption useless as the server would be able to decrypt it, have the client from some older member of the group re-encrypt the per message key for older messages and send to new members or the simpler approach that Telegram took to not encrypt it at all.
You're overcomplicating it. The existing members of the group have the plaintext of the older messages. So they can totally send those messages to new members of the group. If I can copy/paste the history of the group chat and send it to a new group member, then the application itself can do the equivalent behind the scenes.
Sure, but that would defeat the purpose of the encryption since anyone could join at a later date and have other clients snitch out whatever was said in the past.
In a public group that anyone can join without an invite it’s unclear why you’d even want E2E in the first place, so we’re presumably talking about invite-only groups. In that case, sending old messages to new members may or may not be a desired behavior, but it doesn’t defeat the purpose of E2E.
They have, but the limit of people in a group is significant lower then Telegram, at least for signal\ws, dont know how matrix handle this.
Telegram allow 200000 members in a chat group.
Signal on the other hand allow only 1000 and ws limit is 1024.
It is possible to have group chat encrypted, but this does not scale very well and allowing new members to see older messages also is trick, although both are possible.
EDIT: i just checked for matrix and while they do not impose an limit their docs do indicate that there are performance problems for very large groups with tens of thousands of members, that while much bigger then signal\ws it is still much smaller compared to telegram.
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[ 2.6 ms ] story [ 51.0 ms ] threadDon't you read the news?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Grain_Initiative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_food_crises_(2022%E2%80%...
They are only tasting a bit of their own medicine..
Russia is doing it now to westerners countries the same way westerners countries have done to the entire world..
Lets not pretend the last two world wars and significant portion of local wars were not started by westerners countries after all..
Seems like your heuristic is "engaged in war => equal & bad", which I believe would describe every modern nationstate.
What i am saying is that westerners countries act like the world is ending because Russia is doing those things, that Russia is the big bad and that everyone should be scared..
But when they did to the rest of the world it was just business..
It was just pointing out the hypocrisy of westerners countries.. When they do it, it is ok, when others do it, it is a problem..
Most of the global south think westerners countries overall all are all big bad as much as Russia is..
The point that was made in this thread was that everyone should be worried about Russia doing this things while the response was the question on why should the global south be worried about it?
Specially when what Russia is doing is not news to us, we being trough all that time and time again..
Now, to be clear, i don't disagree that Russia is the big bad right now, but westerners countries are not any better..
And to be extra clear, i understand we do face consequences for stuff that Russia is doing to Ukraine, but the same way we face consequences of what westerners countries do all over the world.. So for us this is just another day dealing with the crap the world trough at us..
It would be good if Russia behavior taught westerners countries to not do those things and their behavior changed in the future but that is wishful thinking, we know that will not happen any time soon..
Yes, everyone in the world should be concerned about what Russia is doing because massive scale criminality is bad for everyone. If a neighbor invades your country and rapes your civilians, would you prefer everyone shrug it off?
War is awful 100% of the time and yes, less powerful countries often get the short end of the stick even in conflicts that don't directly involve them. That doesn't mean Russia and western countries are the same.
As recent as the west invading Afghanistan to fight Taliban, that the west had a hand in creating in the first place to fight the soviets in the 70s..
As recent as the tortures that took place in Guantanamo..
west and Russia are two sides of the same coin, same shit... The history is told by the winners and west is often the winners.. Does not mean they are always the right ones..
So let me draw it just to make it super duper clear..
West should indeed be worries about Russia, but do not expect the rest of the world to have any sympathy to you when you did the same thing to us at some point or another..
And to be really honest.. at the moment global south is much more worried about the west pushing back on China rising influence on the global south then whatever Russia is doing in Europe..
We are worried about what the west will do now that the parts of world decided to move away from the dollar for international trading to prevent the US from economically bulling other countries like it has always done with support from the rest of the west..
We have as much, if not more, to worry about from the west then we have to worry about from Russia..
Rape and murder in Iraq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings
Murder in Afghanistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2003_journalist_killings...
the war crimes pages for the us and uk has more stuff covering the middle east invasions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes
Hell, if you look for you will find dozens upon dozens of cases of innocent being murdered by law enforcement WITHIN THE WEST, why the hell would you think that it is not happening in foreign soil as well, where there much less oversight..
Do you think that 5 service members raping someone, getting charged by the military, then getting sentenced to prison for decades is the same as what Russian soldiers are doing in Ukraine, for example in Bucha?
Can you link me to the articles about those soldiers being held accountable for their crimes?
If no, then obviously they are not equal.
But i was thinking more on line of who knows how many times more that happened and it was successfully covered up like they tried, and failed, to do in this case..
Or on the lines of the Abu Ghraib prison where torture, sexual assault, rape, murder and desecration took place because the government authorized "enhanced interrogation techniques"..
A case that had the US government arguing that humanitarian laws like the Geneva convention did not apply to US interrogators oversea.. And that required a supreme court ruling to tell then that those laws indeed do apply to then..
And the people that were held accountable just were because journalists denounced what was going on and in the end they only prosecuted the soldiers, the higher ups that approved it did not face any major consequence..
This one have some pictures for you since you wanted some:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone...
US also used "enhanced interrogation techniques" in Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp, again authorized by Bush administration. There is no evidence of rape here but not that it make it much better.. Had already mentioned that in case you missed..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
Anxiously waiting your mental gymnastic to tell us how the US disregarding the international humanitarian laws and Geneva convention is fine..
West and the Russian are two sides of the same turd (and the rest of the world is not far behind).. the only difference is that the west want to play righteous and have to save face so they work to cover it up while the Russians just don't care and do it in the open..
In the end, you can stand in your made up pedestal as much as you want and think the west is better, the rest of the world knows the truth you like it or not..
By analogy, a society that allows Crime X to happen with no repercussions is clearly and actually worse than a society in which Crime X occurs, but has repercussions.
The actions themselves could even be equally bad, and the society that produced them would not be equally bad. If you'd like evidence, please consider whether you have any preference about your family moving to the United States, Russia, Iran, or North Korea. All have crime, all have engaged in war, all have committed crimes against humanity. Therefore equal?
This is obvious for all but the most talented gymnasts :)
I would agree if each and every person involved had faced repercussion regardless on how up they were in the command chain, but again it is not what happened..
Come on.. For this people to be so comfortable doing those things to the point they took photos of themselves doing it was because they were comfortable enough doing and sure there would be no repercussions.. And if the soldier were this comfortable to do those then and this sure there would be no repercussions i can almost guaranty you that it happened a lot more then what we know..
And again, there were no repercussions until the things were exposed.. It means that people did those things, and other people saw those things happening and did nothing about until much later when it got exposed to the public.. Then they threw some soldier under the bus to save face and moved on with their lives..
I will give you that in the west at least those things to get exposed and something happen even if only to the people at the bottom of the chain.. in Russia since they control the media they will just hide it, deny and just not care.. But both allowed it to happen and and only took action do damage control later when they needed.. Sorry if i find both equally nasty..
And those things surely makes me wonder how many more times other people did the same thing and hide it properly either because they knew there would be repercussions if it got exposed or because they received help to hide it from someone that knew..
Or if the higher ups that got away without repercussions ever allowed those things to happen again as long as there was no evidence left behind..
Sorry if i am not moved by half a dozen of peons being used as escape goats to save the ass of the higher ups that authorized all this either well aware of what was being done and not caring or not caring to find out to have plausible deniability later..
And not that you will believe but i honestly would not consider moving to the united states any more then i would consider living in Russia, Iran, North Korea, China and most of Europe..
And i will leave at that.. If you have not gotten it by now you will never get it..
I bet you that both people in the west society and in Russia society condemn those actions..
It was not those society that allowed those things to happen.. It was the government...
So I am not judging either society, i am judging both governments..
The difference between west and Russia is the general population access to know what happened and their ability to held the government accountable..
And on that aspect i agree that the west is better then Russia..
But again, this is not what i am judging.. i am judging the government actions and motivations..
And both governments allowed those things to happen and both handled the problem after it came out and only enough to do damage control without making any real and lasting changes...
The only difference is that Russia does it by hidding from their people and\or lying to the people and west does it by throwing soldier goats under the bus but saved the ones that allowed it from any major repercution..
And looking trough that aspect i fill that both are equally bad..
Everyone know that not everyone in the west is to blame for those things happening, the same way everyone know that not everyone in Russia is to blame for what Russian soldier do...
But diplomatically, where geopolitics actually matter, this is not the case. They are indeed concerned. Specifically concerned for the erosion of rule of law (international law), which implicitly can lead to war.
https://press.un.org/en/2022/ga12458.doc.htm
Your statement is malicious disinformation.
[1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watch-alleged-russia...
> Telegram has quietly removed language from its FAQ page that said private chats were protected from moderation requests
Was the FAQ incorrect? Is the Verge lying about what the FAQ said?
From https://telegram.org/faq
July 17 2024 from Wayback Machine
> Q: There's illegal content on Telegram. How do I take it down?
> All Telegram chats and group chats are private amongst their participants. We do not process any requests related to them. But sticker sets, channels, and bots on Telegram are publicly available. If you find sticker sets or bots on Telegram that you think are illegal, please ping us at abuse@telegram.org. You can also use the 'report' buttons right inside our apps, see this post on our official @ISISwatch channel for details.
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> Q: There's illegal content on Telegram. How do I take it down?
> All Telegram apps have 'Report' buttons that let you flag illegal content for our moderators — in just a few taps. On Telegram for Android, tap the message and select Report from the menu. On iOS, press and hold the message. On Telegram Desktop, Web or Telegram for macOS, right-click the message and select Report. Then choose an appropriate reason. You can also use our automated takedown email address abuse@telegram.org. If you're sending an email takedown request, please make sure to include links (like t.me/... or @...) to the content on Telegram which you think needs attention from our moderators. Users from the EU are welcome to study the User Guidance for the EU Digital Services Act for the relevant reporting options.
If you tell me something and I report that to a third party is a different situation than if the third party listened to our conversation.
100% of countries have free speech limits though... even the US
"Free speech" as free speech absolutists think of it doesn't exist anywhere in the known universe
1. E2EE is not available on desktop clients at all
2. E2EE must be explicitly enabled for each chat on mobile
So, this should demonstrate to you that Telegram private group chats are not E2EE.
Why? Any member of the group can send the messages to the newcomer.
Not that I trust closed and centralized services anyways. But it should be possible.
The typical way group chat encryption is done is the client generate a key per message, it use that key to encrypt the content of that single message.
Then it will encrypt the message key with personal key for each member of the group, and it can only do that for current members of the group.
Once you receive a message the client will use your personal key to decrypt the copy of the message key encrypted with it, then use the message key to decrypt the message.
The problem with this is that, first it does not escale, the larger the group gets the harder it is to encrypt the messages because you need to encrypt the message key with more and more personal keys, this make the work load bigger and the message size bigger as well. Telegram support very large groups that make encrypting groups not practical.
Also Telegram allow you to see older messages sent before you join the group as those get stored in the servers, if you join the group later then for older messages the per message key will not have being encrypted with your personal key so you cannot decrypt it, thus cannot decrypt the message.
You would need to either store the per message key unencrypted in the server and make encryption useless as the server would be able to decrypt it, have the client from some older member of the group re-encrypt the per message key for older messages and send to new members or the simpler approach that Telegram took to not encrypt it at all.
Might as well use Telegram at that point ^_^
that's a feature.
On Matrix it's somehow not a problem.
Telegram allow 200000 members in a chat group.
Signal on the other hand allow only 1000 and ws limit is 1024.
It is possible to have group chat encrypted, but this does not scale very well and allowing new members to see older messages also is trick, although both are possible.
EDIT: i just checked for matrix and while they do not impose an limit their docs do indicate that there are performance problems for very large groups with tens of thousands of members, that while much bigger then signal\ws it is still much smaller compared to telegram.
E2EE is only as secure as the Ends are.
Telegram CEO breaks silence after arrest (theverge.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41465692
Telegram just had moved the FAQ item discussed to a different location.
Talk about high quality journalism.
>Telegram changes its tone on moderating private chats after CEO’s arrest