The celining in Madrid airport is gorgeous, but it feels completely disconnected from the actual space below. The end result gives a feel similar to a convention center, where they built a big enclosed space, then fitted an airport terminal into it.
Those pictures from the Portland terminal give a sensation of a much better integrated environment. It's the same vibe, but better executed.
There is a free theater with ~16 seats that shows 5-minute film shorts. And famously, any restaurant that has a brick and mortar in town can't charge prices higher in the airport.
I've often thought it wouldn't be a terrible place to take a date, at least in the pre 9/11 security days when you could access the whole terminal.
Yes, the new terminal in Bengaluru is BEAUTIFUL! I was amazed walking through it with how lush it was. Really love that look and very fitting for the climate (more or less)
I wish we had more pretty architecture like this in the U.S. Our architecture is so utilitarian/corporate and built at the lowest price and just enough to meet building codes. I get why it is the way it is, but I can still wish.
Much of the issue is that city planners like it that way. The building codes require it, and when they don't, they'll have design review requirements where the planners will make you change it.
There's a common modern look called a 5-over-1 which usually looks like a giant box made out of four different colored Lego sets. The random different colors are forced on them by planners who think it provides "articulation".
The giant box look is because of double-stair requirements, which the US thinks provides fire safety but don't, and which force all big residential builds to be hotel-shaped. The PNW actually doesn't have these rules, although the rest of the country hasn't noticed yet.
You can thank former Seattle CM Sally Clark almost singlehandedly for the articulation bullshit. And a lot of the dumb townhouse rules that made them all identical for a decade.
And you know design review was created by an initiative on an off election? 15% of registered voters voted in favor.
I think design review could be overturned constitutionally. But few people seem to focus on that issue for long enough to learn how to organize around it.
Yeah, but that just doesn't matter. Downtown Seattle is tiny, and it's an even smaller proportion of the space where we could be building housing across the city. Like 2%.
> The PNW actually doesn't have these rules, although the rest of the country hasn't noticed yet.
For all our warts, I continue to believe the PNW is the best area of the country to live. I'm obviously biased. But I've lived a lot of places and I keep coming back here.
I live in the biggest one in PNW and it still feels super small. A friend who moved here from SF (a relatively small city itself) and was surprised how small Seattle feels, even in comparison to SF -- he was wondering where 3 quarters of city disappeared to.
I'm thinking strong writing communities, world-class art museums (Portland Art Museum is good, while Seattle Art Museum is not so well funded compared to the east coast -- our billionaires don't care for art), great universities with top non-professional programs (UW is really good, but is not an elite college), etc. The food scene here is also not great -- it's got pockets of good eats, but in general not a foodie city -- nothing is here among the best. There are too many eat-to-live rather than live-to-eat types. (granted, Portland has a much better food scene — especially Thai and food carts —than Seattle, but it's not super diverse compared to most big cities like NYC or Chicago).
Even in tech, it’s pretty much a company town. Most people work for the few big names. Someone from Silicon Valley who lives here now told me Seattle has tech but has not really a strong startup ecosystem because most people are self selected corporate types (all of top 10 market cap tech companies are here, either HQ or branch). People who come to Seattle here mostly come to draw big tech salaries and be comfortable, not to change the world. Apart from a few people at the top of their fields, there is no sense of hunger here, not like NYC or LA or SF where people take risks to go there to make it big.
Like I said, it works for many folks, but if you're used to NYC and Chicago (or even SF), there's a lot that's missing.
I think it’s 4 over 1 here in the Seattle area. Concrete floor one with retail followed by 4 wooden floors of apartments, although that is changing to 5 over 2 in the last few years. Developers love them because they are easier to build and maximize sellable space.
The numbers actually aren't floors, they're sections of the building code. 1 is nonflammable materials like concrete and 5 is most flammable but cheapest. (Pretty sure everyone thinks it means # floors though.)
4 is mass timber, which is a newer very promising material. The article mentions the airport used it, but you can build towers from it quickly, safely, and less chance of hearing your neighbors through the wall.
Oh, that makes sense. Ya, 5 over 1 makes sense in that context. They just happened to be height/floor limited as well compared to a pure concrete/steel construction.
The International Departures hall at SFO is pretty nice though far more conventional steel and glass. I actually like it better than PDX, partly because they have the habit of showing excellent art at SFO.[0] That's true throughout the entire airport.
We drove over to PDX a few weeks back not because we had any flights, just to check it out. It's gorgeous - I can't believe I'm saying that about an airport in the US - it's just an amazing space. In addition to the architecture there are huge video walls above the TSA entrance that have calming forest/coastal scenes.
To be fair, I've been to Portland maybe 3-4 times including a few weeks ago, and this year was the first time I could actually see any of that because it wasn't raining.
You should come visit during summer. June, July, August, and September are typically very sunny and dry, it's a wonderful time of year to be in Portland.
Downtown has a lot of bland fifty year old buildings. But I like them more than the complicated new ones. But downtown also still has a lot of old buildings.
Are we thinking of the same city? Maybe you're thinking of the one on the other coast? I'm not familiar with it, but the Portland in Oregon doesn't have much of anything brutalist about it.
I flew out of PDX all the time around 20 years ago and it was by far the best US airport I went through back then. I'm not sure what you could mean by brutalist hell in terms of portland. There is a ton of green space throughout the city and little if any brutalist architecture.
It looks incredible and I'll take the first chance I get to go check it out, but the cynic in me bets that the international arrivals/layover/security
check area is still just as dull and depressing as any other in the states. 2 people barely churning through a line of 150 stressed travellers that need to get to their next gate in 45 mins. I'd consider paying a fair bit more if I have it next time to not transit through if I can avoid it, always feels like hell. But that is admittedly very cynical and I'm sorry.
I can't speak to international arrivals (though I can to the rest of the airport, it's gorgeous), but while PDX is international it only has 5 direct international flights other than Canada. Hardly going to be the focus of the airport.
I suppose with such a large investment though, they'd want to plan for that possibly changing eventually, no? I'd be flying from/to Canada anyway, but if it was a viable and better option compared to others like SF, they'd get my business instead, not that there's much business to give
At 2.5M people, Portland, Oregon metro probably cannot support many international routes (except Vancouver). And it has very few businesses that would necessitate international business travel.
Maybe a flight to Japan, London, mainland Europe, and Mexico.
100% agree, the international arrivals area is dreary and depressing. And slow. Get off the plane, go directly to a shuttle bus, drive around a while, then go in and wait in what was clearly never really intended to be an arrivals area.
I gather than there are so few international arrivals that it will likely never be upgraded, but I sure would love to see the fancy face scanning electronic passport reader kiosks like other places have. And in a place that is reachable in the main terminal, without the shuttle bus experience.
It's a miracle that Portland has direct international service at all. They probably had to bodge on the customs area after the place was built to pick up that route to Vancouver. Also good to keep in mind that a lot of older airports seem kludged together because they were. Fifty years ago passengers were screened at the gate. Then they invented central screening. Then they invented TSA and stopped letting non-passengers into the terminals.
I'm very happy they have a direct route to LHR. I wish BA was more pleasant to fly, but at least they're using 787s for the route.
> they invented TSA and stopped letting non-passengers into the terminals
I'd like them to uninvent that. I so fondly remember when family could take you to the gate, and meet you when you came home. Now that planes have impenetrable doors, I don't think we need to keep up the absurd level of "security"
I really wish we could get rid of the TSA, but I don't think it'll ever happen. It's not about security, the whole thing is a jobs program (and always was IMO).
I think studies have shown that the TSA sucks at threat detection, but is a significant factor in threat aversion in the first place.
It sucks but in the current world we live in, the alternative is travel bans placed against many countries a fraction of whose citizens have a propensity for terrorism. That would include a bunch of American allies and even the US, incidentally.
> I'd consider paying a fair bit more if I have it next time to not transit through if I can avoid it, always feels like hell. But that is admittedly very cynical and I'm sorry.
Surprised no one has pointed this out to you: Get Global Entry (it also comes with TSA Pre). You'll get to go in the fast TSA lines (no taking belt/shoes off). And international arrivals is a breeze. In fact, since I've got it, I've not had to wait in line even once at the immigration.
To give you an idea, I flew into Seattle this year. Went into the Global Entry area. Straight to a kiosk (no line at all). The kiosk took my picture, and figured out who I was and that was it. No customs declaration even (which was weird, what if I do have something to declare?).
So: No line. Kiosk takes a picture. Never took my passport out to show to anyone. Good to go.
In the old days, you'd have the kiosk scan your passport. And it'd ask if you're bringing in over $800 in goods (just yes/no - no need to itemize). But still, no line.
I don't know what they charge now, but it was $100 and lasts 5 years.
If you live close to the Canadian/Mexican border, consider getting NEXUS, which gives you the fast lane when driving to these countries. It's only $50, and it includes Global Entry and TSA Pre. Fantastic deal. The down side is the interview locations are only near the border.
I traveled to Asia for many years out of PDX. Now I have to go through SEA, SFO, or LAX, all of which are a very inferior experience. What happened with PDX? I miss the PDX-NRT run.
really cool! I've been interested in mass timber as a building material for a couple of years now, it has a lot of potential as a replacement for steel and concrete, with the benefits of being carbon-negative and completely renewable. The world's tallest "plyscraper" is currently (as of 2022) the Ascent MKE building in Milwaukee Wisconsin at 284 feet tall and 25 stories[1]
I was proud to be part of the mock passenger test days! The only time I've ever bought pen-knives through TSA (only to have to pick up a new fake participant script and return.)
I just flew through there and saw the renovation for the first time, and it is an absolutely stunning transformation. Just incredible. I loved it. The whole thing. From the ceiling to the ticketing islands to the reworked security to the amphitheater style seating areas at the terminal exit where friends & family can await your arrival.
It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable.
One of the host hotels for Dragon Con in Atlanta is the Marriott Marquis, which until several years ago had a very iconic carpet that has been since been replaced with something boring.
Many people who spent many hours staring at the old carpet while in line for panels missed it very much and founded the Cult of the Carpet[0]. It has "priests" that wear robes with the pattern, you can buy bags and t-shirts with the pattern, etc. My favorite is the guy who painted his storm trooper armor with the pattern.
If you'd like to join the "Cult of Marriott Carpet", here's a handy link with tilable patterns (1, 4 (2x2), 9 (3x3), 16 (4x4), 25 (5x5), 36 (6x6) premade), reference photos, and fabric sample tests of the pattern on 4 fabrics for costumes (Cotton Poplin, Basic Cotton, Silk Crepe de Chine, Organic Cotton Sateen)
No, this is mostly the story of a small local airport that was dingy becoming more modern and airy. But it has nowhere near the traffic, amenities, or experience of Changi.
Not for smoking. Only for smuggling a shockingly low amount of 0.5 kg. Locals don’t get too upset when poor foreigners get executed.
If you’re caught smoking (citizens can be tested at the airport and a positive result is a possession charge) you’ll likely have to serve a 3-6 month detention at a drug treatment facility and so drug tests for the next 2-3 years.
If clean, you’ll be stuck with a criminal record for the rest of your life which will significantly minimize your career options.
If busted again using, you’ll get repeated higher and higher prison terms measured in years.
And you think airports are in the green energy sector, or air travel? What about the co2 released while making concrete? What about used captured co2 as a building material? Some credit for that?
That is indeed silly. Why air travel and not say, video games, or fashion? Which one is sillier by your definition? And why are you here on HN when you can be somewhere else more productive? Lot of silly things human do, all affecting climate, why single out air travel?
so do tell, which airport do you like? Or should we just ban all air travel? I don’t think you’ll get many people to agree to that so that idea is dead in the water.
And apparently private jets are of no concern! The average private citizen must suffer! lol. I’d recommend banning private jets to start…that might actually make a decent dent in air travel emissions without punishing normal travelers.
If you want to discourage air travel, tax the fuel appropriately. It’s not a hard concept. For the people that are traveling, i don’t see why it’s a problem that their experience is nice.
There we go, “think of the children”. How many do you have? How much co2 is it going to take for you to raise them until they can be used as a reliable workforce? Hopefully they don’t go sideways before…
Oh boy, have I got news for you. The best thing you can do to save the planet is not to have children. I’m pretty sure that my co2 footprint is going to be lower without children than yours with your children.
Do you understand that this is an extreme view? It’s a valid one…but extreme.
I’m not sure how air travel would even be banned practically speaking. Would your country ban it, or a global ban? I doubt all countries would agree to that. If your country bans air travel, I suspect many people would just leave your country to move to one that permits air travel, for a better quality of life. A ban only works if it’s banned globally.
Also, banning air travel means none of this is possible:
• professional sports (teams can’t travel)
• olympics
• flying for funerals, honeymoons, or for a better life (war refugees)
• MUCH slower package and mail delivery across the globe
• is medical travel allowed? Not all areas in the world have good specialists or can do all procedures.
• scientific research in the wild
• leisure travel for vacation, spending time with family, etc
I could go on. You personally may not care about any of that, but many people DO.
I don’t have children but I plan to someday. Yes each future generation will likely suffer more from climate change, we are on a bad trajectory. But guess what? Life itself is literally suffering. From birth until death. People may need to migrate to new regions that are less affected by climate change. That’s life…suffering. And the climate change train left the station a looooooooooong time ago after the industrial revolution and population explosion globally. Future generations would be better served by humanity being more aggressive with switching to renewable energy instead of trying to ruin fun for everyone alive today.
just my opinions. clearly we disagree here. Hope you have a nice day and thanks for reading lol. :)
It looks beautiful. It talks about it being structural. Is it really? It looks more like a suspended ceiling below steel girders.
Our largest airport (AKL) is in the process of rebuilding both domestic and international terminals. They are trying for a timber ceiling [1] with rubber floors [1]. It seems a confused design.
> A ‘cost-effective’' mix of durable carpeted and rubber flooring was being used inside and tray profile steel on the exterior. [0]
It's the renovated interior of a pre-existing building, so yeah: not structural, at least no more than needed to hold up its own weight. But it really is very nice.
They renovated the existing structure and expanded it as well, doubling the capacity of the airport. They did a lot of interesting work to make it earthquake proof. Check out the video, I'm pretty sure someone posted it in this discussion.
Not the tallest in the world. It was surpassed by Mjøstårnet in Norway and now Ascent in Milwaukee is the tallest.
It’s not even remotely close to the height of these new buildings. It’s 26m, while the three tallest now are around 85m.
Not to say it’s not impressive anyway. I applaud all the progress that has been made in replacing concrete with wood in large buildings. We should build more buildings like that (as long as we source wood sustainably)
It's a mix of steel and wood. Curved Glulam beams sits on top of massive steel trusses, which are mostly hidden from view. The steel trusses in turn sit on top of big Y columns. The roof is seismically isolated too.
I believe in this case they aren't waiting for it to mature. They use what's called LVL (laminate veneer lumber) which is basically thin sheets of the wood glued together (think plywood but thicker) and then recut into dimensional sizes. The end product is both stronger and straighter than conventional lumber. And because you don't need a large cross section (almost literally any size will do), you can have a pretty short planting -> harvesting cycle.
That just makes it slightly more expensive than a faster growing timber, most of the cost of timber production is labour, machinery depreciation, transport.
Steel is 100% recyclable, indefinitely, and energy source agnostic.
50-70 years is the typical harvest time in Oregon. This works out fine because we have a large amount of forest, douglas fir is the most productive harvested timber by acre, and they do not harvest the whole forest at once. They typically harvest 1 square mile sections at a time.
FoxNews recycled video footage of the same dumpster fire every week to give an impression that Portland was burning down in 2020, so a lot of people are skeptical.
I’m totally going to trust what someone who was actually in Portland saw over what someone saw on FoxNews or some other right wing media source.
I also saw a video of a police car flipped and torched in Salt Lake City. Yet, I'm not going around claiming the city is a burnt out husk ran by "antifa" or whoever today's Boogeyman Tucker Carlson espouses.
Yeah, you saw Fox News. The people living here continue to be amused at the caricature. During the worst of the 'riots' we were all just living our lives as normal, because that all happened in like two blocks right next to the courthouse. And that was as bad as it ever got.
Portland is very boring, very safe [0]. And for better or worse, not nearly as weird as it aspires. It has been getting steadily less weird, sadly.
[0] From antifa, at least. Rough homeless camps are not an ideal place to hang out if you don't have to
It would be nice if the article would mention how the fire resistance compares to regular wood. I found this document that indicates it should be good for an hour. What I'm not sure is even if it doesn't burn completely, how well its structural integrity holds up compared to steel.
https://rosboro.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/APA-EWS-Y245B...
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[ 6.4 ms ] story [ 62.5 ms ] threadThose pictures from the Portland terminal give a sensation of a much better integrated environment. It's the same vibe, but better executed.
There is a free theater with ~16 seats that shows 5-minute film shorts. And famously, any restaurant that has a brick and mortar in town can't charge prices higher in the airport.
I've often thought it wouldn't be a terrible place to take a date, at least in the pre 9/11 security days when you could access the whole terminal.
You obviously still have to go through security, but a ticket isn't required.
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/world-largest-log-cabin-por...
There's a common modern look called a 5-over-1 which usually looks like a giant box made out of four different colored Lego sets. The random different colors are forced on them by planners who think it provides "articulation".
The giant box look is because of double-stair requirements, which the US thinks provides fire safety but don't, and which force all big residential builds to be hotel-shaped. The PNW actually doesn't have these rules, although the rest of the country hasn't noticed yet.
And you know design review was created by an initiative on an off election? 15% of registered voters voted in favor.
I think design review could be overturned constitutionally. But few people seem to focus on that issue for long enough to learn how to organize around it.
For all our warts, I continue to believe the PNW is the best area of the country to live. I'm obviously biased. But I've lived a lot of places and I keep coming back here.
The PNW is good for certain types of people: those who love nature, are less urban, who are more introverted, less interested in high culture.
I’ve also lived in many parts of the country and Canada, and the PNW has been the least favorite for me.
I'm thinking strong writing communities, world-class art museums (Portland Art Museum is good, while Seattle Art Museum is not so well funded compared to the east coast -- our billionaires don't care for art), great universities with top non-professional programs (UW is really good, but is not an elite college), etc. The food scene here is also not great -- it's got pockets of good eats, but in general not a foodie city -- nothing is here among the best. There are too many eat-to-live rather than live-to-eat types. (granted, Portland has a much better food scene — especially Thai and food carts —than Seattle, but it's not super diverse compared to most big cities like NYC or Chicago).
Even in tech, it’s pretty much a company town. Most people work for the few big names. Someone from Silicon Valley who lives here now told me Seattle has tech but has not really a strong startup ecosystem because most people are self selected corporate types (all of top 10 market cap tech companies are here, either HQ or branch). People who come to Seattle here mostly come to draw big tech salaries and be comfortable, not to change the world. Apart from a few people at the top of their fields, there is no sense of hunger here, not like NYC or LA or SF where people take risks to go there to make it big.
Like I said, it works for many folks, but if you're used to NYC and Chicago (or even SF), there's a lot that's missing.
4 is mass timber, which is a newer very promising material. The article mentions the airport used it, but you can build towers from it quickly, safely, and less chance of hearing your neighbors through the wall.
https://timberlab.com/projects/heartwood
[0] https://www.sfomuseum.org/
source: https://www.oregonlive.com/news/g66l-2019/07/a6f7a0d4698366/...
Downtown has a lot of bland fifty year old buildings. But I like them more than the complicated new ones. But downtown also still has a lot of old buildings.
Maybe a flight to Japan, London, mainland Europe, and Mexico.
I gather than there are so few international arrivals that it will likely never be upgraded, but I sure would love to see the fancy face scanning electronic passport reader kiosks like other places have. And in a place that is reachable in the main terminal, without the shuttle bus experience.
> they invented TSA and stopped letting non-passengers into the terminals
I'd like them to uninvent that. I so fondly remember when family could take you to the gate, and meet you when you came home. Now that planes have impenetrable doors, I don't think we need to keep up the absurd level of "security"
It sucks but in the current world we live in, the alternative is travel bans placed against many countries a fraction of whose citizens have a propensity for terrorism. That would include a bunch of American allies and even the US, incidentally.
Surprised no one has pointed this out to you: Get Global Entry (it also comes with TSA Pre). You'll get to go in the fast TSA lines (no taking belt/shoes off). And international arrivals is a breeze. In fact, since I've got it, I've not had to wait in line even once at the immigration.
To give you an idea, I flew into Seattle this year. Went into the Global Entry area. Straight to a kiosk (no line at all). The kiosk took my picture, and figured out who I was and that was it. No customs declaration even (which was weird, what if I do have something to declare?).
So: No line. Kiosk takes a picture. Never took my passport out to show to anyone. Good to go.
In the old days, you'd have the kiosk scan your passport. And it'd ask if you're bringing in over $800 in goods (just yes/no - no need to itemize). But still, no line.
I don't know what they charge now, but it was $100 and lasts 5 years.
If you live close to the Canadian/Mexican border, consider getting NEXUS, which gives you the fast lane when driving to these countries. It's only $50, and it includes Global Entry and TSA Pre. Fantastic deal. The down side is the interview locations are only near the border.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRAkjoUdN_I
Pretty impressive how they pulled it off while minimizing impact on airport operations.
[1] https://www.fs.usda.gov/inside-fs/delivering-mission/apply/w...
Here is an interesting video about its construction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRAkjoUdN_I
It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable.
There's looottts of the 2015 carpet as well.
Many people who spent many hours staring at the old carpet while in line for panels missed it very much and founded the Cult of the Carpet[0]. It has "priests" that wear robes with the pattern, you can buy bags and t-shirts with the pattern, etc. My favorite is the guy who painted his storm trooper armor with the pattern.
[0] https://www.11alive.com/article/news/weird/dragon-con-cult-o...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_with_the_Death_Pe...
If you’re caught smoking (citizens can be tested at the airport and a positive result is a possession charge) you’ll likely have to serve a 3-6 month detention at a drug treatment facility and so drug tests for the next 2-3 years.
If clean, you’ll be stuck with a criminal record for the rest of your life which will significantly minimize your career options.
If busted again using, you’ll get repeated higher and higher prison terms measured in years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Singapore
https://www.cnb.gov.sg/educational-resources/myths-and-facts...
If we want to solve the climate crisis, this is everything an airport should not be.
Yes, by making prettier and bigger airports do you think that encourages or discourages air travel?
Aviation accounts for 2.5% of global CO₂ emissions.
https://ourworldindata.org/global-aviation-emissions
And apparently private jets are of no concern! The average private citizen must suffer! lol. I’d recommend banning private jets to start…that might actually make a decent dent in air travel emissions without punishing normal travelers.
If you want to discourage air travel, tax the fuel appropriately. It’s not a hard concept. For the people that are traveling, i don’t see why it’s a problem that their experience is nice.
Yes, we should.
Do you have children?
Oh boy, have I got news for you. The best thing you can do to save the planet is not to have children. I’m pretty sure that my co2 footprint is going to be lower without children than yours with your children.
But anyone with children shoudl be concerned for their future.
I’m not sure how air travel would even be banned practically speaking. Would your country ban it, or a global ban? I doubt all countries would agree to that. If your country bans air travel, I suspect many people would just leave your country to move to one that permits air travel, for a better quality of life. A ban only works if it’s banned globally.
Also, banning air travel means none of this is possible:
• professional sports (teams can’t travel)
• olympics
• flying for funerals, honeymoons, or for a better life (war refugees)
• MUCH slower package and mail delivery across the globe
• is medical travel allowed? Not all areas in the world have good specialists or can do all procedures.
• scientific research in the wild
• leisure travel for vacation, spending time with family, etc
I could go on. You personally may not care about any of that, but many people DO.
I don’t have children but I plan to someday. Yes each future generation will likely suffer more from climate change, we are on a bad trajectory. But guess what? Life itself is literally suffering. From birth until death. People may need to migrate to new regions that are less affected by climate change. That’s life…suffering. And the climate change train left the station a looooooooooong time ago after the industrial revolution and population explosion globally. Future generations would be better served by humanity being more aggressive with switching to renewable energy instead of trying to ruin fun for everyone alive today.
just my opinions. clearly we disagree here. Hope you have a nice day and thanks for reading lol. :)
(The international part anyway - the domestic terminal is plainer.)
Highly recommend Screen Door for southern breakfast when stopping through.
https://springvalleycorp.ca/index.php/td-place-stadium/
Is similarly curved, has exposed yellow wood, with the same spacious layering construction.
Our largest airport (AKL) is in the process of rebuilding both domestic and international terminals. They are trying for a timber ceiling [1] with rubber floors [1]. It seems a confused design.
> A ‘cost-effective’' mix of durable carpeted and rubber flooring was being used inside and tray profile steel on the exterior. [0]
It can't be any worse than our current airport.
[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/companies/airlines/first...
This has more information about the structure including diagrams:
https://www.zgf.com/work/5683-port-of-portland-pdx-airport-m...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon12
It’s not even remotely close to the height of these new buildings. It’s 26m, while the three tallest now are around 85m.
Not to say it’s not impressive anyway. I applaud all the progress that has been made in replacing concrete with wood in large buildings. We should build more buildings like that (as long as we source wood sustainably)
https://www.apawood.org/pdx-gets-back-to-its-roots-with-engi...
Steel is 100% recyclable, indefinitely, and energy source agnostic.
Here are some pictures to give an idea of the logging pattern: https://imgur.com/a/grid-grid-logging-oregon-ewNJL2e
Oh look, here's a video showing a guy lighting a firebomb and throwing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMkTfGlM-f0&t=190s
Hmmm, left a bomb behind (guy was caught, extradited and sentenced to 4 years) - https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-portland-crime...
Analysis & statistics: - https://americafirstpolicy.com/issues/portland-on-fire-the-s...
Stop gaslighting. We saw it.
FoxNews recycled video footage of the same dumpster fire every week to give an impression that Portland was burning down in 2020, so a lot of people are skeptical.
I’m totally going to trust what someone who was actually in Portland saw over what someone saw on FoxNews or some other right wing media source.
Yeah, you saw Fox News. The people living here continue to be amused at the caricature. During the worst of the 'riots' we were all just living our lives as normal, because that all happened in like two blocks right next to the courthouse. And that was as bad as it ever got.
Portland is very boring, very safe [0]. And for better or worse, not nearly as weird as it aspires. It has been getting steadily less weird, sadly.
[0] From antifa, at least. Rough homeless camps are not an ideal place to hang out if you don't have to