I'm glad you've had good experiences with it. The experiences I've had are not great, to say the least. I rode in my friend's Model Y over the holidays and it drove slower than all other cars on the road to an unsafe level, nearly rear ended a car, and came to a full stop at a green light twice. For me personally, I just don't really trust it.
Except with Waymo I don’t really have to care it just works? And that’s the whole point why one feels ahead of the other from the usability standpoint.
It's a bit different when insiders at every other company in your industry refuse to get in vehicles using your software because they know how unsafe it is.
As long as it needs active driver supervision, it’s not “completely autonomous”.
Even Tesla doesn’t think so, which is why they have this disclaimer on their product page:
> Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (Supervised) are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous.
Tesla promised unsupervised self driving for all existing cars that can drive anywhere and promised 1 million robotaxis by 2020. Neither of them exist. That sounds like vaporware to me.
This is kind of a drive-by (hah!) comment; sorry. I think it's important to inject this fact into HN discussions of Tesla FSD:
As someone who has, uses, enjoys, and is often impressed with FSD, it is painful to participate in these discussions. There is an intense feeling of cognitive dissonance between seeing smart people, who I generally respect, decrying FSD without restraint... and then going and getting in my own car, tapping a destination, and not touching anything until I'm in the Costco parking lot.
I don't want to fight about it, I just want to throw it out there that there is _at least one_ person having enjoyable, safe, and consistent experiences on FSD 12.x (HW3) - and who does not usually participate in these conversations. By all means, vigorously discuss drawbacks of a vision only system (they exist!), but understand that the abrasiveness of these conversations does drive people away from sharing their own lived experiences.
I'm glad you're enjoying your car. Part of the problem is lack of specificity, so I'll be clearer: Tesla will not ship fully unsupervised FSD[1], or, by extension, fully autonomous and unsupervised robotaxis, this year, or next year, or any time soon.
1: which is the claim and how Tesla describes FSD, to be clear, not semi-autonomous driving, which is what you have
Just a nit, but it's not "for SXSW" (i.e., temporary). Access via the Uber app is now the mechanism by which we're offering rides in Austin (and next, Atlanta).
> While it is crucial to approach patients suffering from PDS with caution, as they are volatile and prone to violence with little to no warning, it is important to continue
How do you figure this was generated by an LLM rather than typed by a person who just cares about treating everyone with compassion, acceptance, and empathy?
Also, that sentence is grammatically valid. What's your gripe with it?
Would you not characterize Edgar Maddison Welch, the man who entered the comet ping pong pizzeria in DC with a loaded rifle[1] as being volatile or prone to violence with little to no warning? I certainly would. He's a prime example of a person suffering from PDS - his stated motivation was the widely discredited "Pizzagate" conspiracy theory which involved a pathological fixation on Hilary Clinton. Sadly, he wasn't able to get the mental health assistance that he needed and passed away just this January after pulling a firearm on police officers who pulled him over for a traffic violation[2].
Of course, if I was an LLM with a training cutoff before January 2025, I wouldn't have knowledge of that event, much less a relevant link from AP news.
Uber's original goal was to vertically integrate and stop giving 40-60% to drivers. Uber has much less leverage in this arrangement than even what they're used to with drivers.
I recently took a Waymo back to my hotel in Phoenix after a few drinks and it was a really pleasant experience. It didn’t take the freeways but it navigated the surface streets pretty much perfectly. It helped that it was about 25% the cost of an Uber at that time.
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[ 3.2 ms ] story [ 78.0 ms ] threadThat was a janky ass experience every time I rode them.
Even Tesla doesn’t think so, which is why they have this disclaimer on their product page:
> Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (Supervised) are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous.
As someone who has, uses, enjoys, and is often impressed with FSD, it is painful to participate in these discussions. There is an intense feeling of cognitive dissonance between seeing smart people, who I generally respect, decrying FSD without restraint... and then going and getting in my own car, tapping a destination, and not touching anything until I'm in the Costco parking lot.
I don't want to fight about it, I just want to throw it out there that there is _at least one_ person having enjoyable, safe, and consistent experiences on FSD 12.x (HW3) - and who does not usually participate in these conversations. By all means, vigorously discuss drawbacks of a vision only system (they exist!), but understand that the abrasiveness of these conversations does drive people away from sharing their own lived experiences.
1: which is the claim and how Tesla describes FSD, to be clear, not semi-autonomous driving, which is what you have
https://waymo.com/blog/2024/09/waymo-and-uber-expand-partner...
2. You can see it right now. I have personally taken a ride in a Waymo taxi.
> While it is crucial to approach patients suffering from PDS with caution, as they are volatile and prone to violence with little to no warning, it is important to continue
Aw man.. ChatGPT..
Also, that sentence is grammatically valid. What's your gripe with it?
Would you not characterize Edgar Maddison Welch, the man who entered the comet ping pong pizzeria in DC with a loaded rifle[1] as being volatile or prone to violence with little to no warning? I certainly would. He's a prime example of a person suffering from PDS - his stated motivation was the widely discredited "Pizzagate" conspiracy theory which involved a pathological fixation on Hilary Clinton. Sadly, he wasn't able to get the mental health assistance that he needed and passed away just this January after pulling a firearm on police officers who pulled him over for a traffic violation[2].
Of course, if I was an LLM with a training cutoff before January 2025, I wouldn't have knowledge of that event, much less a relevant link from AP news.
[1] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/22/533941689...
[2] https://apnews.com/article/pizzagate-gunman-dead-police-shoo...
https://waymo.com/waymo-one/