Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls (pilaenergy.com)

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Hi HN! I’m Cole Ashman, founder of Pila Energy. I’ve spent my career working on home energy systems—first as an engineer on Tesla’s Powerwall, where I focused on the Backup Gateway, Solar Inverter, and metering systems. More recently, I led Product at SPAN, where we built the Smart Electrical Panel and integrated with most major home solar, EV, and battery systems.

Pila (https://pila.energy/) is a home battery that plugs into a standard wall outlet, provides smart backup power, energy shifting, and grid services. It’s more than a power bank—it’s a distributed energy system that can scale across multiple rooms, entire buildings, and work together in real time as a coordinated system. We built Pila to be local first with an open API to allow developers to build use cases on top of our hardware (Home Assistant, etc).

Big batteries like Tesla Powerwall and Enphase are great if you own a home and can afford a $10K+ electrical project, but they require permanent installation, electricians, and panel upgrades—which makes them inaccessible for renters, apartments, and cost-conscious homeowners. Over 50% of the cost of installing a Powerwall isn’t even the battery itself—it’s soft costs: labor, permitting, etc. We wanted to create an entry point for more people to access energy security at home.

How does it work?

Plug Pila into any 120V wall outlet, and power passes through to connected devices and appliances. The inverter, LFP battery, BMS, grid disconnection, controller, and wireless connectivity are all built in. (details at https://pila.energy/tech-specs)

When an outage happens, the onboard inverter detects the power loss within 20ms and automatically disconnects from the grid (islanding). Whether you’re home or away, backup kicks in instantly. A built-in cellular radio ensures you get a notification even if your home WiFi is out. Pila is 1.6kWh. That will backup a standard fridge for over a day.

One key challenge we faced with a distributed architecture was coordination between batteries, for things like solar-following and managing real-time draw from your utility connection. Unlike large garage systems, where you can run a wired CAN bus, our batteries are spread across the home. We’re solving this with a sub-GHz wireless mesh network—self-healing, coordinator-less, and designed to make setup and expansion as simple as plugging in another unit.

Long-term, we’d love to open up this protocol to provide a more reliable communication layer for energy products in noisy built environments—reducing reliance on consumer Wi-Fi.

We want to deliver the value you’d expect from a whole-home battery like Powerwall, in a plug-in format. That means going beyond a basic lead acid UPS with real home energy management, useful insights about power use, power larger loads like sump pumps, and even deliver grid services.

Most portable batteries are missing the functionality that makes a home battery useful: no bidirectional power, no integration with solar or smart home systems, and no ability to manage home energy dynamically. They tend to be boxy, ruggedized, meant to be moved around, not seamlessly integrated into your living space. On top of that, many use e-mobility battery chemistries, which are great for delivering high power on demand but wear out faster when cycled daily for home energy use.

As a renter myself, I started Pila because these awesome energy products aren’t accessible enough. And frankly, generators are loud, expensive, and a pain to deal with. Even many Powerwall owners I’ve talked to say they really care about keeping the fridge, WiFi, and a sump pump running—so why does energy resilience have to be so complicated and expensive?

As the grid struggles to keep up with demand, we believe modular, renter-friendly batteries can make home energy resilience more accessible.

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DIY systems have come a long way :)

How long will this keep a fridge powered?

Answering my own question here - 1.8kWh / 500-ish Wh/day for fridge usage is 3-4 days.
Great question! The 1.6kWh pack will run your fridge for about 32 hours. We designed an “Expansion Pack” that doubles the battery to 3.2kWh and gives 2x 60V MPPT solar inputs (for up to 1200W of direct PV charging). But of course “your mileage will vary” depending on your fridge’s size. That’s where the real-time backup time remaining forecast comes in handy!
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Very cool. You mention powering connected devices - is it feasible to push power back through the outlet to power parts of the home? Euro solar panels are doing this I believe.
Yeah great question. The hardware is capable of bidirectional power, and electrical codes and standards in the U.S. are now catching up with Europe. “Balcony Solar” has taken off there, especially in Germany. Utah just passed H.B. 340 which allows up to 1200W of plug-in solar backfeed. It wasn’t so long ago that grid-tied batteries like Powerwall were working through the same kind of standards updating process to participate on the grid, so I’m encouraged
Interesting. How is this being managed on the device level? do devices ship with this functionality and configure it based on their state code?
Yep! All hardware is capable, and the Grid Code configuration can be set and updated at any time. So as more states follow suit, Pila's ready
Are the grid isolation and backfeed capabilities mutually exclusive? Isolation would have to happen at the panel if you are backfeeding into an outlet, right?
Technically Pila is able to push power back through the home when the grid is up. Utah passed a law to allow this. We hope to bring this potential to all states. https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2025/03/05/balcony-solar-gains-u...
But 'when the grid is up' isn't the time you'd want to feed power from one outlet into the others. It's when the grid is down you'd want to do this, no?

I guess you could flip the trip switch to isolate the circuit?

Yes & no, there are two reasons to push power back: 1- to save money on energy, charge when cheap discharge when expensive. Pila can do this. 2- to backup. Pila can’t do this. It can only backup appliances plugged into it.
So this is a per-room/per appliance battery system? Not sure how this would work for my oil burning boiler, which requires power but has no "plug". Maybe this is better for households that run 100% electric for HVAC?
It is designed to backup your most important appliances. You can start with one or have one in each room.
Understood. My boiler/furnace is the single most important "appliance" in my house. I guess I still need an electrician and/or use the traditional gas generator/panel switch approach.
Some furnaces are still 120 volt (same as an outlet) so depending on how the furnace is connected, Pila could be an option or at least could work with some minimal electrical work. But definitely recommend chatting with a good local electrician to pick the right path
If you get an electrician to rewire it to have a plug, you could certainly back it up with Pila.
To add more: To backup big 240V appliances that are hard-wired (EV charger, large HVAC, for example) you need to connect the backup system in the same hard-wired way to the electrical panel. For folks who are keen to make the big investment in whole-home backup, it’s a great solution. Our goal is to give folks more onramps to get started with smart battery backup, focusing on no-rewiring solutions. But I’ll say, Pila can be a compliment to whole home backup systems to add a bit more backup capacity where it matters most
It doesn't need to be hardwired. Devices like the Generlink provide an outlet to plugin in a fossil-fuel based generator or a battery backup unit, and take care of islanding. They sit somewhere between the utility company meter and the main service panel. Power goes out ... plug into the Generlink and if your generator/backup can handle it, your entire system is running again. Not cheap though - around $1k without installation (which can vary from insanely easy to complex, depending on your situation).
Assuming your boiler is 120v, you can have an electrician install a "generator switch" that lets you plug in a generator directly to the boiler; or you can just rewire the boiler to a standard, 3-prong 120v plug.

The bigger issue is how many amps the heating system draws. Assuming it's really a furnace that pumps hot water, (as opposed to a boiler that sends steam to radiators) those pumps really do draw a lot of current.

Get an electrician to put your oil burning boiler on a plug, then you can plug it into whatever source (UPS, generator, UPS with fancy marketing) you want.
This looks great!

> When an outage happens, the onboard inverter detects the power loss within 20ms and automatically disconnects from the grid (islanding)

How does this work? Do I need to install anything additional in my grid? Like, how does the fridge "know" that it should now draw power from Pila?

Sorry for my noob questions :D

Pila plugs into a normal wall outlet. The fridge plugs into the outlet on the back of Pila. Pila detects an outage in 20ms and automatically begins backing up the appliances that are plugged into it.
This is essentially a UPS (uninterruptible power supply) with an app. The UPS basically passes power from the wall to your fridge until there's a power outage. At that point it flips to using the battery to send power to your fridge.
But with the added benefit that it charges during the day on solar and then powers device during the night.

My one question would be: does it work with home assistant? It would be great to integrate in te energy dashboard.

>But with the added benefit that it charges during the day on solar and then powers device during the night.

As an important caveat on solar: if I'm reading correctly, it appears that the main unit only has support for a small amount of solar input directly connected to it (100 W, which makes me suspect it may be using USB PD for input), while larger amounts need the expansion pack, or a separately installed system.

Can also monitor and charge from standard roof top solar when on-grid.
Yes re: Home Assistant. We're stoked to have folks integrate with their own energy dashboards if that's what they prefer to do.
Looks like a very cool product, one I might be interested in buying -- totally depending on price, for which you don't seem to be supplying any clues.
$999 if you pre-order. Normally $1,299.
$999 for early access! We just launched at SXSW, and will begin shipping later this year. Via our website we’re offering the $999 early access pricing for a refundable $99 deposit today. Once we enter distribution we’re expecting to increase pricing to $1299
I’m curious what’s the rank sort of items a typical apartment dweller would want to keep on backup - for me it would be WiFi router, phone charger, microwave, kettle and a couple kitchen lights. Any power restrictions that would preclude running microwave or kettle?
No restrictions, it can provide 2.2kW of power & even more temporarily for starting sump pumps or other motors.
Any way to get 240V out of the ecosystem?
Our first product is focused on 120V, but we'll be iterating on a 240V option. Out of curiosity which 240V loads are you most interested to connect?
I have well water and the pump is 1.5 HP on 230 volts. In a power outage situation I doubt it would run for more than a minute at a time, maybe 4 or 5 times a day.
Often well pumps and sump pumps can be wired for either 230 or 120V, so Pila could be an option with some added effort and a conversation with an electrician. But in any case, looking forward to building the 230/240V version!
What are the environmental requirements for Pila?

My well pump is 120V, but I don't keep it in my house. It's in a shed out back built over the well and tank. The shed is not insulated, but does have a 400W space heater plugged into one of these [1] that tries to keep it above freezing in there. I think most of the time it succeeds but it is possible that for a few days a year it might get below freezing for a while.

I have no idea what the humidity is like, or how hot it can get in the summer.

Would the current Pila be OK in that kind of environment?

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Farm-Innovators-TC-3-Thermostatically...

I’d like to be able to use a 240V hot water kettle to boil water for tea (or for sanitization during an outage). I live in the US and 120V is slow and inefficient, especially at family-scale.
Do you have frequent enough power outages that waiting an extra minute for tea is a concern?
> Do you have frequent enough power outages that waiting an extra minute for tea is a concern?

I’ve had ten power outages in the past six months, one mile from an international airport. I’ve lived through hundreds hours of power outages due to PG&E’s fucking incompetence in the past ten years. You’ll have to judge for yourself whether that justifies my comment - but, if you were a startup considering a 240V outlet on your home battery solution, I’m pointing out an entire category of uses that they may not have considered:

US kitchen countertop equipment that runs at higher power draw when a 240 outlet is available.

As an apartment renter, I have no reasonable solution today for a battery that can cope with my kitchen at all, prior to this one — and if they go 240V, I can upgrade my kitchen appliances, take them with me when I move, and be more resilient to power outages. And if that puts more weight behind the 240V purpose so they eventually offer a model for people’s furnaces, cool beans. I may not be able to convince my landlord to install a Charlie range, but I already have battery backups in every room except my kitchen, so there’s an unmet need that this startup’s a very close fit for already.

Being dismissive about someone’s questions will cause you to overlook potential market niches that have no viable solutions today. Your competitors thank you for your service :)

I love 240V appliances. I have a 240V induction hob from Italy(Fabita Ordine). Would love to have a 120V in and 240V out for this use case.
I've never been in an American datacentre, and power provision looks more complicated than in Europe, but I guess there is 240V power available.

That should mean there are UPSs already available, although possibly they don't come in small sizes.

As I vaguely understand it, and I’m not an expert at all here - American 220V is two 110V phases tapped off the feed and glued together at 180 degree offsets; European 240V is one phase tapped directly off the mains feed. So it’s definitely constructed differently! Their battery could tap into the electric range 220V/50A circuit and then redistributing that somehow - or it could tap into the 110V 15A circuit and synthesize 220V/xxA itself. I’m not sure what makes the most sense, or how the NEMA outlet legalities work out! But it’s definitely a lot of interesting research.
I’m in Australia and everything is 240V (well, I think technically it’s 230V now) here.

Any timeline yet for international distribution?

On a personal note, I'll also be really stoked when we're shipping to Australia. Lots of friends down there, and have been lucky to work on some past home energy products for the Australian market.

Parts of Pila's power electronics are already 230~240V capable. We've just launched in the US, and are doing our best to stay focused on excellent support for our home market before expanding. That said, I could see 2026 being the right time for expansion... stay tuned mate!

Best of luck -- hope to see it available here soon!
Hi Cole, a few questions:

When you say it is bidirectional, what does that mean? It sounds like it means backfeeding into the wall outlet, but I dont think that can be right.

I am also missing how this is different from other inline device battery backups that have been around for decades and cost 20% the price. Is it that it has a built in DC charge controller for an optional solar panel?

Overall, This seems like a tough space to carve out a niche. It seems like the product is trying to position between whole house batteries ( powerwall), multi-purpose power stations (ecoflow), and generic outlet battery backups. As an outside observer reading your website, it wasnt immediately obvious how this solution is better than any of those in their respective domain, or how its own domain is different.

Edit: Maybe I misunderstand the solar charging? How does this work? Does it charge from AC outlet during solar production? Is this managed with a timer, or other smart connections to the solar inverter, ect?

It’s bidirectional in that it can push power back into the home through the outlet. This is popular in Germany & was recently allowed by Utah legislators. It can charge from the wall or a temporary solar.
Yeah thanks I appreciate the questions. I'll do my best to answer them, but let me know if I can clarify anything here!

On bidirectionality: Yep this would involve backfeeding an outlet - It's new here in the U.S. but not unprecedented. Plug-in "Balcony Solar" systems have taken Germany by storm in recent years, and Utah just passed the first bill in the US (HB340) to allow plug-in solar panels to export to the grid. Pretty cool to see new these options emerge for renters. There's still work to do to take this to mainstream and get all jurisdictions, utilities, and equipment manufacturers aligned on final standards but I'm optimistic.

On solar: You've got 2 options -- Timed charging with a rooftop system just like how "AC-coupled" batteries like Powerwall work. Or, "DC-coupling" by connecting solar PV panels directly to Pila. If Pila is in your kitchen, running a DC-coupled panel wire may only be practical in a multi-day outage, but for a fridge in the garage it's a relatively easy option.

On differentiation: We're up for the challenge :) - With Powerwall and SPAN (or other home devices like Nest) my take is it's the software and integration value that sets them out ahead. That's where we're really excited to create value and carve our niche. But zooming out, it's a big market, and our goal is to give folks more options to fit their needs, and it's totally going to be the case that simpler portable camping batteries are right for some, and big Powerwall-like batteries are right for others.

Portable camping batteries, generally: More options come out every year, but on the hardware side they're not optimal since most use e-mobility battery chemistries, which are great for delivering high power on demand but wear out fast when cycled daily for home energy use. And since they’re meant to be manually deployed, they’re not always charged and ready when you actually need them—unlike a system that’s always on, managing power in the background without you having to think about it.

This device is quite dense and priced accordingly. Other dumb UPSs or "solar batteries" with this level of battery capacity are all around $1000.

Great work on the local API first approach. I can't remember the last SmartAppTM device that was local API first and not wholely dependent on some fly-by-night SaaS that requires you to sign-up. Hope we see more of this in the industry. Span is infamous for removing local API control of their panels.

Our team's really excited about the local-first approach. Both because it's going to make the system more reliable overall (essential for devices aimed at resilience), and because we're also excited to build integrations and see what the community develops as well. You're right, so few do it even though there's so much to gain. Happy to take any thoughts or requests on local monitoring/control/data features that you'd like to see!
Great idea. I am considering buying one for my refrigerator and furnace.

Are you planning to charge a monthly fee? I’d be open to that, but it would be nice to not pay for more than the hardware. I.e. build the operating costs into the cost of the initial purchase

No monthly fees -- You buy it, you own it.
Every software-based appliance built in the last decade starts out with this promise but then inevitably rug-pulls with mandatory updates that introduce subscriptions, degraded functionality, etc.

This thing is way too "nice" and polished for its relatively low price tag, meaning it's likely being significantly subsidized by investors, who will eventually want a return on their investment and all these promises will go out the window.

I parted a 2.56 kWh secondary-battery system at $773.66 for my business' self-driving computer product, but it's not one complete unit or as sophisticated as this product. It seems like a decent price for what you're getting. Especially in terms of space consumed.
Any chance this would be a good fit for existing off grid houses and expanding the home battery life?
Off-grid capable, yes. In my experience having redundant systems is a great approach for off-gridding. Pila will happily work alongside a whole-home battery system to add extra capacity wherever you need it most.
What range of sensitivity does this offer? My US apartment complex has fluctuating levels of neutral sag 24/7/365 and it’s unclear how that would interact with your hardware.
The off-grid detection is based on a combination of voltage and frequency measurement over different time windows, so I'm sorry that I won't be able to give you an exact answer on your situation. I've lived in apartments with bad high impedance neutral connections and it did all kinds of weird things to the loads... Hopefully something your apartment complex can look into!
> no bidirectional power, no integration with solar or smart home systems, and no ability to manage home energy dynamically. They tend to be boxy, ruggedized, meant to be moved around, not seamlessly integrated into your living space. On top of that, many use e-mobility battery chemistries, which are great for delivering high power on demand but wear out faster when cycled daily for home energy use.

I already use an Ecoflow as quasi-UPS in my networking closet and one for a chest freezer and its worked great for that. They advertise a ~25ms switch over. I think (could be wrong) they also have features like scheduled tasks to managed recharge/discharge schedules.

Is the main difference between an Ecoflow and this basically the form factor?

> Is the main difference between an Ecoflow and this basically the form factor?

The form factor and the potential rugpull in the future when this turns into a subscription and/or a "virtual power plant" where you get the homeowners to pay for the device while the manufacturers sells the aggregated capacity to source/sink power to the highest bidder and keeps the profits. There's a reason these have built-in cellular; you don't put that in (and pay the ongoing data charges) without one.

This thing is too "nice" and polished for its price point, so profits will have to come from somewhere down the line (because they're definitely not making any on the actual device sales).

Would you be able to avoid leaking back into the grid?

During a recent major weather event outage, a neighbor up the street was running a generator, that I think was not properly islanded. I experienced it by having some devices making weird sounds because they were receiving some low level voltage. They were probably leaking to tens of neighbors and losing generator output in the process.

Not just that, it's a danger for the linemen trying to fix the neighbourhood.
Right! Unintentionally back-feeding is a huge safety risk, and I hope that smarter safer solutions will prevail over the all-too-common hacky unsafe approaches. But also, I get it. I’ve wired generators back into panels - safely - in situations where it’s that or no power for days, you start taking matters into your own hands
Yikes! I’ve heard so many similar sounding examples of misuse of generators and sketchy generator setups. Pila has the grid disconnect built in so there’s no risk of un-intended backfeed when islanded
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This doesn't put power back through the home. It acts more like a UPS. You plug in the stuff you need up during an outage to the back of it like a power strip.
I've just been looking for a UPS for my home lab.

Do your batteries need any kind of an internet connection to set up or operate? Assuming I wouldn't want to use the app.

Internet's not required, and we're aiming to pack as much offline functionality in as possible. This includes an MQTT based local API (WiFi) and ability to directly tether the phone app to the device over WiFi. Certain app features like historical usage and utility data integrations may not be available if the device isn't internet connected though, just to be transparent.
This is almost exactly my question but I'll be a little more specific. I want to guarantee that no data about my usage leaves my network. You mention local integrations, is there a formal commitment to opening up the platform to opensource local servers? Similarly, what about always providing functionality without sending usage data?
I don't think the intended use-case is servers. The products they list are appliances and less critical electronics.

It has a 20 ms switch-over to battery backup. APC UPS' range from 2 - 6 ms.

There is a StackOverflow answer that says the upper limit for servers is 25 ms but 20 ms might be cutting it fine.

https://serverfault.com/questions/564156/what-is-the-interru...

1.6 KWh capacity with 2.4 KW output [0].

I couldn't find a price on the website (the $99 is just for a reservation) but from this thread it looks like it's priced at $1k [1].

For context, in the USA, 30 KWh is a rough estimate for average daily home usage [2].

[0] https://pilaenergy.com/tech-specs#faq

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43333996

[2] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/electricit...

Thanks for bringing more details to the thread - We've just launched, and for folks who like what they see and want to be first to get Pila the (refundable, cancel anytime) $99 deposit will lock in $999. Once we start shipping and fulfilling through other distribution channels, price will increase to $1299

Also, spot on that the average home draws about 30kWh, and with an EV driven average daily ranges that'll jump to about 60kWh.

This is an interesting idea and I wish you a good luck building a profitable business around it.

Before starting to apply voltage to a home electric gird, I guess you need to disconnect it from the central grid - how do you do that? Or do you detect when the grid goes down and comes back up?

Pila detects when the grid goes down & when it returns. This is done by all home batteries & Pila is no different.
Given these stats and the price in the sister comment, this costs $24,400 for a day of backup.

This makes the LCD displays on the front page of the website listing "5 days 6 h ours" and similar on a single unit very misleading. That amount of backup would cost $128,000.

I assume it least has enough smarts to only show the battery capacity for whats in it. It can't run a whole house, so comparing it against an entire household's average load might be unrealistic.
Correct, 1 can’t run your whole house, but you can get 1 per room and backup your whole house that way.
For folks that are looking for true whole-home backup, with every load protected, investing in something like a Powerwall would be the way to go. I don't see Pila trying to compete with whole-home systems. We were inspired to build Pila because many folks I've spoken with over the years are most concerned just about backing up a few key loads (fridge, wifi, charging phones, some lights). For them a $10-30k whole home system is a lot of extra spend, and if they rent those systems may be off the table to begin with.
> I couldn't find a price on the website (the $99 is just for a reservation) but from this thread it looks like it's priced at $1k [1].

The pre-order page says it will be $1300 after the pre-order period.

The point IMO is not to backup your whole home though. That already exists with Generac (20-50K if you need to dig a new gas line) or Powerwall (10-20K depending on electrician and needs). All need permits.

This is meant as a more precise, room-by-room backup solution!

Maybe I’m wrong though, just wanted to position.

I bought and am using a "Lion Energy Safari Solar Generator" to use as a heavy-duty UPS, and it almost but doesn't quite meet my needs. It works fine, except about every 15 minutes a quite loud cooling fan turns on, to cool the inverters I suspect. This is bothersome since my intent to to keep my WiFi and computer and TV functional with this particular setup. Does the Pila have a similar cooling fan, and if so, is it audible?

Also, FWIW, it appears your web page pricing is slightly cheaper per kWh than the Lion, so good on you.

There is nothing that will make me throw something on Craigslist faster than a loud fan. We built the battery with the customer in mind. It has fans but they are larger, RPM controlled and measure all internal temps to keep the noise to a bare minimum.

Right on! It’s a great product and insane value for all the features it provides.

From your site: "For homes with electricity prices that vary throughout the day, Pila optimizes charging to help manage your utility bills."

Based on experiments like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtNq-0kV8YM, I'm extremely skeptical. Can you back this claim?

Also, why are people going to spend $1,300 on this when a good UPS is a fraction of the price, and (for example) an Anker SOLIX F3800 Plus is $3,200?

I've used gas and portable "solar/battery" backup generators and UPS systems.

The win for me is the form factor. It can slot right next to any appliance or utility room shelf. The cost is not bad by comparison to portable battery systems, but portable battery systems fall into two form factors:

1. Garage / basement stacks that have to connect to a generator hook-up: which itself costs kilo-dollars. And what if my garage / utility panel isn't heated? Extreme temp swings can degrade these I'd imagine.

2) carry or roll-away. Which is great for camping or pulling out of the closet during an outage, but that's not convenient and not what I'm looking for

And finally, the UPS-like standby power beats both options as well. The solar generator types don't do passthrough power well (they warn against it) and the garage/basement stacks have to be connected to a cutover switch anyway.

Correct me if I'm wrong nowadays but this product beats both those for these reasons.

That video's conclusion is misleading - he's only shifting his fridge's energy consumption. That's not actually much in the grand scheme of things - it's a well-insulated box that is already a thermal battery. In fact, he only discharged his power bank to 64% at the end of the day, so he didn't even use up his full capacity (that he paid for and is factored in his spreadsheet).

Batteries can provide significant savings but for that you need to actually use them fully, either by load-shifting significant loads (if you have enough to fully consume the battery capacity), or just charging/discharging the battery directly into the grid (essentially acting like a grid storage system - charging the battery to full when energy is the cheapest, and dumping it back when it's the most profitable). Even better when you have solar - instead of selling that energy at low feed-in prices, save it in batteries and use it once the sun goes down so (if you have enough battery capacity) you never ever need to actually "buy" any energy from the grid.

I believe the Pila can technically do the above, although its battery capacity is probably too small to ever recoup its purchase price on this type of arbitrage. However, the underlying concept is absolutely workable and profitable with the right equipment.

> I believe the Pila can technically do the above, although its battery capacity is probably too small to ever recoup its purchase price on this type of arbitrage.

That's my point, thank you for putting it so succinctly. The front page opens showing the Pila being used for a refrigerator — presumably doing load shifting, given the front page marketing copy I quoted — so I think asking for data showing that this is a legitimate use case is fair.

It definitely does load shifting and utility rate arbitrage (and solar power charging) as a side benefit, but it’s not built to be an arbitrage machine. Its primary use case is backup, for now.
100% Pila can charge from your home solar or cheap electricity and discharge when power is expensive.
That conclusion all depends on how much extra power the UPS uses while acting as a pass-through. I think the SOLIX doesn't directly pass through the power so it's having the inefficiencies of conversion to and from AC-DC-AC, maybe this version has a more efficient pass-through system?
Correct, this does direct feed-through no conversion losses for pass through because it uses a relay rather than an inverter to connect to the grid.
What's the draw of all your software to serve the app etc? That might still might drive it to be net negative for your energy costs depending on how much higher the peak rate is than your base rate.
A UPS can usually only power 100W, not enough for most fridges. Pila can do 2.2kW, enough for fridge, microwave, internet, and coffee maker.
Absolutely true, yes. I mentioned UPSs to represent the low-end of the UPS/power station/generator spectrum, with the Anker SOLIX F3800 Plus at the higher-end (which costs only 2.6 Pikas). The video I linked to does a solid job of evaluating the pointlessness of using a more comparable $500 1.8kW Anker SOLIX C1000 for the same use case Pika is pushing, which is what prompted my skepticism.
2 Pilas ir a Pila & a battery expansion offers 3.2kWhs which is enough to qualify for ITC which is a 30% discount.
100W is a _very_ small UPS, I don't see any on the first page of the amazon listings that are that small.
I bought lights-out manageable 400 lbs (lots of kWh) of rack mounted sealed lead acid batteries in the form of UPSes with expansions for less than $600.

The other thing is that rewiring a main panel for generator and/or solar to provide emergency power to a subset of circuits is preferred to simply trying to power everything with a tiny battery pack. This usually means adding a subpanel and an automatic transfer switch, which is a heck of a lot simpler than running extension cords through the house and much more fine-grained than powering everything with backfeed.

off grid here for many years self built systems can do the math for solar powered,off grid sytems with battery banks, in my head. The numbers posted with battery back up system are so wildly inflated as to be absurd, laughable , 32hrs for a fridge, it wont run a big fridge for 1 hr, tiny fridge for 5 hrs. bar fridge, laptop, phone and one light might make 24hrs, might, when its new, hot weather, fergetit. the way it's presented is totaly disceptive. This is as best, a nice ,very expensive camping accessory or a slightly upsized ups.
Hey there - First I will concede it's always hard to give an "average" number for something like a fridge, since all fridges consume differently based on usage, ambient temperature, ice makers, overall capacity. But I'd stand behind our numbers - we're not looking to deceive and transparently provide the remaining backup time on the device screen and app. For whatever it's worth, I've gotten familiar with lots of appliance usage data during my time at SPAN, and our average wattage heuristics for appliances are in line with what you'll see from other batteries' materials. Still, always open to hearing ideas for how to help average people put energy usage in context. Would you find a calculator module useful on the website, so you can enter your own usage data if you know it?
A calculator will fail, as in order to use one, requires knowing all of the terminology, and how each variable, alwase effects the other variables in power claculation, and if you know that, the claculator is redundent. My first PV/battery off grid experienxces were in the early 90's, and I was gifted a small solar panel (5w), from a teacher, who had 2 100w panels purchased from the worlds, first and at that time only retailer of PV panels. Today the challenge is to make a system "plug in and forget", and the tech is not, quite, there. I have a whole bunch of random, solar, pv, back up, and UPS, stuff....that keeps comming my way, and I repurpose it for secondary and utilitairian uses, my main house system bieng much larger. And to fair to you, marketing and splianing the solar,pv,battery thing, is a swamp. I had a 92 dodge diesel, the "truckasaurus" that I covered the very large hood in solar, put in a big battery bank.....removed the alternator, and drove it like that year round...in Canada. It would reliably draw a crowd,and became localy iconic, so I have fielded all the questions and seen the hope in peoples faces, and faced the anti solar bunch. My house set up is also highly visible, also bieng a conversational/ideological subject. I can see that your system has the plug in and use part taken care of, and a lot of the pieces for marketing, but determining the crossover point between peoples expectations, and actual performance will determine continued sales success.
Puget Sound Electric here in Western WA has a very nice feature showing usage by hour by day (using their smart meters). We live in a relatively small home, and do not use electric heat. Yesterday our "vampire draw" was about 0.5 kwh per hour (12am to 5am -- nothing really active). Once we got up, fired up the coffee pot, and lights, etc. we used 1.3 kwh from 6am to 7am. Pia looks like a good UPS for standard appliances, but as a whole house solution... Folks really need to understand how their home would work using a combinations of Pias. For us, we spent about $1k for a Westinghouse 9,000 kwh generator which runs on propane, and I put in the fairly inexpensive breaker and lock-out in our service panel. Costs were well below $2K. When our power goes out (which it does A LOT), simply fire up the gen, shut down all the high amp circuits in the house panel, and switch service panel input to the gen. Takes less than 5 minutes, and everything works apart from some high amp devices which we can easily live without short term. Having a good backup is important -- moreso with the power system strained and more "once a century" events.
Fridges and freezers are pretty power efficient, on the whole, because they're big insulated boxes and the power that leaks through isn't very much. An average of 50W power consumption is not ludicrous for a fairly large, properly functioning fridge (the peak will be larger, since they cycle on and off). It will depend on ambient temperature, of course, but even a pretty beefy fridge running at 100% (which will probably fail in short order since the mechanics are not generally designed for such) is not going to be drawing the 1.6kW you are suggesting.
Can this cold start or does it need to have grid power to turn on?
Yep, it can blackstart without AC power from the grid
I love the design, but I wonder about the "selling feature".

How many people regularly experience power outages (ok, if you're American relying on Canadian electricity, you might have a right to be concerned).

I'm surprised you're not touting the "save on your power bill" benefits. Could this not store power when rates are low, and use the battery when rates are higher, while maintaining a balanced minimum storage amount to ensure power is available should the power go out?

I'd think it could be quite smart about this if you looked at weather patterns and other factors to calculate a likelihood of an outage, and ensured more back-up was available.

From a selling stand-point, isn't saving money every day a better feature than "just in case the electricity goes out"?

Offsetting power usage to the cheaper time is also the only possible utility I see here. Unfortunately, last time I ran the numbers (against a $10k battery) it would be incredibly difficult to recoup your investment over a reasonable timeframe. Having to limit this to a single room (fridge, AC, whatever) makes it seem even more difficult as the consumption you can push is limited.
I haven’t run the numbers but I believe you. I’m hopeful that a couple years from now we see second or third generations of the same product, at a significantly lower cost.
> ok, if you're American relying on Canadian electricity, you might have a right to be concerned

You don't have to go that far. Puerto Rico is a United States territory with a third-world tier power grid. Most Puerto Ricans rely on electric generators and battery backup systems to survive their day-to-day.

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/31/nx-s1-5243984/puerto-rico-pow...

This is bordering a humanitarian crisis and I'm surprised it gets little attention in the mainland. These outages have a real human cost: the elderly struggle with maintaining their generators. Hospitals rely on generators. Roads and sidewalks are in the dark. The haves get diesel delivered; the have-nots struggle. Some, especially the elderly, die in fires or asphyxia due to their constant operation.

https://www.univision.com/local/puerto-rico-wlii/hombre-muer...

https://www.primerahora.com/noticias/policia-tribunales/nota...

A woman died on New Year's Eve due to a fire in her residence while trying to operate a transfer switch. The power was out all night across the island.

https://wapa.tv/noticias/locales/falla-en-planta-el-ctrica-p...

Apologies for derailing, but it bothers me how little attention this gets. The privatized power company has successfully externalized its costs--thousands of Puerto Ricans are going into debt to install solar panels. Half of the island lives under the poverty line.

People are desperate. A year ago, the Dept of Energy established federal incentives for solar panel installations in the island. These were the kilometric lines to get a voucher:

https://www.telemundopr.com/noticias/puerto-rico/cientos-de-...

In short:

a) This is a real problem. Puerto Rico has 3.5 million American citizens, more than some states.

b) Battery backup systems, solar panel installations and generators are a necessity in these areas.

I wish this product was targeted towards lower income families, but any innovation in the space is welcome.

Adding another comment because I can no longer edit my original.

- Power instability causes serious economic damage to individuals, families and small businesses. Imagine establishing a business in an island where you don't know if you'll have power today.

- In PR, you don't buy groceries for an entire month. The power goes out once and all your food is ruined. Families bear the brunt of these reliability failures.

- Outages damage your appliances. This is even more economic damage to families and the poor. A couple years ago, in jest, protesters from across the island took their damaged appliances to the power company headquarters and dropped them off there.

- Diabetics have to use generators or special machines to keep their insulin refrigerated.

I could keep going. It's a shame that this absurdity is happening in the wealthiest country in the world.

I support Puerto Rican statehood and representation in US federal elections†.

Until then, I don't see any hope of meaningful federal support in times of Puerto Rican crisis. Too many Americans are not sure whether Hawaii is a state, or if Rhode Island is an island. The amount of time that PR occupies anyone's thoughts in Real America™ is basically nil. Just like Trinidad, or Turks and Caicos. "Oh, I know someone who took a cruise there. They don't speak English do they?" That's it.

† I also support Puerto Rican self-determination and independence. :) But that path will not bring FEMA, or infrastructure investment.

> How many people regularly experience power outages

Anecdotally in a major city it was rare I would not have a power outage several times a year. In a more rural location now, it's rare I have a month without a power outage, some very extended.

We have a backup generator and it has saved our frozen foods at least a dozen times over the last few years. Installing a backup generator costs about $10k for a whole house permanently installed unit, so it's not a small cost, and the running and maintenance costs are not zero ($5 an hour when running, $100+ a year for parts and consumables)

If Pila existed before you bought the generator, would you have bought a Pila?

Does your generator require maintenance? Is it loud?

No, but I do own a couple UPSes that power sensitive electronics.

It does, and it is, but those are not super major factors.

I expect to save my pennies and do a whole house LiFePO4 bank at some point

yeah it looks like a fancy tech gadget marketed to people in developed countries where you have like one power cut every 2 years
> I'm surprised you're not touting the "save on your power bill" benefits.

At ~$600/kWh for capacity, the ROI isn't great. I have a pretty big differential on my rates because I have an EV, and even then I'd need over a decade to make the $1,000 back assuming I fully discharged it every day.

It’s definitely an important feature & will help reduce the purchase price. Especially charging from home solar since it most solar in the US gets installed without a battery.
For what it’s worth, Biolite is trying to do something similar https://www.bioliteenergy.com/pages/backup. I personally love the idea, not needing a permit is already a great feature.
Agree, it's a great idea! I think this is quite a lot more affordable than biolite, and also has smart features that biolite lacks. Will be interesting when both products are in market and we can see some reviews.
Two questions:

1. Have you considered building a “microgrid interconnection device” to go with this to allow the batteries to backfeed a house in the event of an outage? (This would require native 240V split-phase capability and/or an auto-transformer.)

2. Have you considered removing the fade-in-when-scrolling abomination on your website?

1. I'm actually hopeful we see a generic MID standard emerge with folks like ConnectDER well positioned to support that, so more homes can benefit and households can gain the ability to flexibly try different batteries without ripping out their panels every time. If not, we could definitely build our own (helped build 2 generations of Tesla's MID as well as 3 generations of SPAN Panels with MID functionality). Happy to nerd out on the topic anytime :)

2. Feedback taken hah

MID = Microgrid Interconnect Device ?

DER = Distributed Energy Resource ?

SPAN = an energy device company https://www.span.io/ ?

Just had to check the definition of some acronyms and thought others might find the results helpful inline.

Huh, I hadn’t seen ConnectDER before. That’s cute. It’s not entirely clear to me how it interacts with power sources in the house, and it’s also not clear to me whether it’s standardized enough so that a different MID could be used in its place with the same inverters/batteries/whatever. I would love to see the industry standardize on a MID protocol well enough for applications like V2H/V2G to work without absurd levels of vendor lock-in.

I suppose another potential issue would be exceeding the capacity of a panel bus. Balcony solar has the same problem, and I guess no one os likely to connect enough balcony solar units to cause a real problem.

I've seen this "meter plug piggy back vampire tap" scheme used for EV chargers, looks cool to use it for grid tie generators too.
Tesla offers the Backup Switch which is a Meter Socket Adapter(MSA) like ConnectDER.
I agree we need a universal option for both home batteries & V2H. ConnectDER is working to be that standard. Tesla’s Backup Switch was supposed to be open, but unfortunately hasn’t been opened for others to integrate with.
Whatever design wins should also be available as a standalone device (maybe even something that can be installed inside an existing enclosure if there’s room and maybe even in a circuit breaker format) and not just a meter ring adapter. There are users who, for various reasons, cannot use meter ring adapters as switches. For example:

- Some services cannot be switched at the meter ring. This includes services that use a current transformer separate from the meter. (As far as I know, this includes all services over “Class 320”.)

- Some apartments aren’t separately metered. Fortunately, this is rare.

- Some users will want to back up only part of a service.

1: And of course some sort of isolation of the house from the grid when it's back-feeding.
Yep, and to clarify Pila includes an MID onboard so while Intentionally Islanded there is no backfeed. But in terms of a whole-home disconnect, I believe we'll see more generic options appear that are somewhat DER-agnostic.
>Pila includes an MID onboard

How does that work? Is just not putting energy out the input "plug" count as a MID?

The Tesla MID is in the Tesla Gateway or Backup Switch meter socket adapter. The Pila MID is onboard inside the battery. Pila can push power back through the plug.

When utility power drops, Pila & Powerwall react exactly the same. They both detect the outage, open the MID, and power load downstream of the MID. In the case of Pila it powers loads downstream / plugged into Pila.

Im having trouble understanding this, if you back feed into a circuit why wouldn't it go out via the beaker and onto the power grid?
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1) Can't be automated without a failover switch to disconnect the house from the grid so it doesn't back feed into the actual power lines outside the house and either break or risk injuring linemen who think a line has been disconnected and isolated.

In addition to that you're feeding energy back in through a much smaller wire so you're limited to the capability of the circuit it's connected to and the devices have to be smart enough to actually limit their output to what the wall can handle. Otherwise imagine you have 2 of these each on 1000W circuits (not a normal circuit but for convenience lets pretend) and you have 1500W of load running elsewhere in the house. One runs out of power because it had a lower charge state when power failed, now unless the remaining UPS limits it's output and browns out everything you're pulling 150% the rated power of your circuit, potentially damaging the wires or the loads you're powering.

This is potentially what's causing fires on nVidia's high power connectors, one connection wears out or is simply loose so more power flows through the remaining pins and it's too much for those wires causing fires/melting the wires.

Feed power in through one circuit back to the main board, on a different circuit cause a short, main breaker trips, main board is now isolated from the grid.

Technically possible, irresponsible, bad advice, and probably won’t work in most scenarios.

This is why we have regulations.
Doesn't work and would likely cause fires.

First the smaller circuits will trip first, that's where the current is actually flowing, there wouldn't be any actually flowing through the whole house breaker in your idea. The main circuit to your house is 100+ Amps (this would be a tiny old circuit most houses have larger main feeds these days) at least. You'd have to feed at that much through the main disconnect for it to trip.

Second even if you could push that many amps through the main breaker somehow to trip it you'd be feeding it through wires designed for 15-20 amp nominal loads which would cook them.

> Second even if you could push that many amps through the main breaker somehow to trip it you'd be feeding it through wires designed for 15-20 amp nominal loads which would cook them.

Well, you'd end up tripping the 15-20 amp breaker protecting those wires first.

Probably but I'd rather never send that big of a pulse down a 15/20 amp line at all.
It's no more of a pulse than any other dead short that would trip the breaker instantly rather than on a delay.

The fault current that a breaker is required to be able to interrupt is two orders of magnitude larger than we're talking about feeding into the wire, and a 15 amp breaker is designed to _not_ interrupt a 150 amp load until a second has passed (there's a rating curve for this): some loads might require that much current briefly, and the wire in the wall is not going to overheat in that time (that's why the breaker has the curve that it does: to model and therefore protect the allowable heating of the wiring).

Yeah should be fine but I'd still rather not intentionally try it and count on it. Breakers can fail closed.

Doubly so because it doesn't even do what we want it to which would be to switch the main breaker off.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a stupid thing to do, but not because there's any danger to the wiring.
Pila team designed the Powerwall & SPAN microgrid interconnect device (MID) / relay that disconnect the home from the grid. So we could, but we believe the value to be the 0 install cost. Installing an MID can cost anywhere from $2500-15,000 depending on complexity.