Tell HN: You owe it to yourself to understand nutrition

17 points by prmph ↗ HN
Just did some really eye-opening research about the effects of macro-nutrients on the body and fat storage [1].

Guys, there are a lot on misconceptions most of us have about nutrition, even those of us who think we are better informed. Here are some points I gleaned from my conversation:

- Dietary fat is most easily stored as fat in the body. Frequently you hear the current understanding is that dietary fat is not the devil, but carbs are. But now I know it it more complex: carbs are converted into glycogen, but they are NOT easily converted into fat (through a rare process called de novo lipogenesis, only if glycogen stores are full, AND there is still excess calories to store). The reason it appears carbs make you fat is that carbs have what is termed a fat- and protein- sparing effect: by freeing up dietary fat to be stored as body fat, because the fat now no longer needed for energy in place of the carbs.

- There is also a thermic effect of various macro-nutrients, which is the energy required to digest them. Again, it takes very little energy to digest fat, a moderate amount for carbs, and a high amount for protein. This should be taken into account when evaluating how each affects the body in a caloric surplus situation.

- Even healthy oils/fats, like olive oil and Omega-3 fats, are still basically fat easily stored as such in the body as described above, if there is a caloric excess. But they are used in cell membranes, brain tissue, and anti-inflammatory signaling before being stored, so they are less likely to go directly to "storage" as it were.

- It gets more complex: Carbs spike insulin, which promotes fat storage and inhibits fat burning. BUT, the fat must be there to store in the first place, and this only happens in a calorie surplus. AND, even without carbs spiking insulin, having a lot fat tissue reduces insulin sensitivity, a driver of diabetes. Also, some carbs, like sugar/fructose, have bad effects other than simply contributing to fat storage: insulin resistance due to frequent spikes, liver fat accumulation, systemic inflammation, gut microbiome disruption, dental decay, etc.

So, major devil is a caloric surplus or excess. If eating some high quality fat helps you to maintain a caloric balance, then fine. But this devil is horrible in fat form, less bad in carb form, and almost redeemable in protein form.

But generally, everybody is different. You need to read up more on these to understand your body + diet as an entire system, and you will be in a better position to care for your nutritive health. I notice HN'ers are quick to express all kinds of strong opinions on nutrition, drowning out those with actual expertise.

[1] Starting with ChatGPT, and cross-checking with actual research, since I know there might be some inaccuracies in it output.

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If you verified it and llm only prompted you to start - then do not mention it at start.

If you know so little on the topic that chatgpt was illuminating - then I have doubts whether you are qualified to review it.

Nutrition research has piles and piles of low quality studies allowing you to support any claims you may wish to make.

I tried some time ago to get some worthwhile guidance and failed. I have doubts whether it improved much since then.

Nutrition is very complex, and also nutrition scientists don't understand everything, and how it relates to health and well-being. Therefore, I try to keep to a few basic rules of thumbs:

- Eat as much unprocessed food as possible

- Eat mostly vegetables, ideally a wide variety (i.e. don't only eat cauliflower)

- Eat a lot of fiber

- Choose unsaturated fats like olive oil over saturated ones like butter

- Limit your caloric intake

https://nutritionfacts.org is a very good source. Dr. Michael Greger and his team review a huge number of studies, and explain them with all the caveats.

I've read a few books on nutrition that are not in the same "ideological" agenda at all (e.g. How Not To Die, Why Proteins Don't Count).

The book I'm going to read next is called The Diet Myth. I wonder if some people here read it and could share their opinions. It's mostly because I'm physically active and would like to understand more how the body works (including nutritionally).

But, the more I read different ideas, the more I think that there is absolutely no consensus—for good reasons—on how to lose or gain weight. I'm expecting to get downvoted by the HN crowd because people don't want to hear anything beside "calories in - calories out", but I hope to start a polite discussion.

Which claims were verified and which come unverified from token generator?

> There is also a thermic effect of various macro-nutrients, which is the energy required to digest them.

How large it is compared to their energy? Is it even worth bothering to include or is it as small as effect as say food temperature?

i encourage everyone to reconsider consuming oils outside of their source material and granulated spices including salt... my experience has been much smoother from a health perspective since doing so, and i imagine there are a few others out there who would benefit as well...
The fat/carb interaction is captured in the ornish diet, which is low fat&sugar + vegetarian.

Surprisingly, if followed reasonably well it does not lead to obesity - - just The opposite.

Even with the abundance of carbohydrates you get from eating a vegetarian diet, avoiding simple carbs and avoiding mixing them with fat is another route to healthy eating

Thanks for sharing. I'm trying my best to understand my body, my brain... Why it craves some kinds of food but doesn't others... I'm trying to get in shape, have better health and improve my cognition
> It takes very little energy to digest fat, a moderate amount for carbs, and a high amount for protein.

Carbs are the easiest to digest, proteins and fats are the hardest. That's why they make you feel satiated for longer.

However fats are more calorie dense (9kcal per 1g, vs 4kcal per 1g of proteins/carbs). Which means, if you're not careful, you can binge eat fats more easily (I can consume 1000kcal of almonds without even noticing).