That's rich because conservative and libertarian groups (especially the intellectual wing) have long opposed the idea that "speech can be violence" [1][2][3]
Last week I saw some dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun at someone who photographed the car's license plate.
Appellate courts in the First, Third, Fifth, Seventh, Ninth, and Eleventh Circuits have all held there's a first amendment right to film police, and that law enforcement officers do not have an expectation of privacy in the performance of their duties.
A. Without badges, or have badges without numbers. Toy-store style.
B. Are faceless.
C. Do not have names displayed.
D. Do not have warrants.
These were mentioned, IIRC, in an ACLU complaint which resulted in restraining orders (see [0]) though the order addressed two points not specifically related to the above.
> The first TRO bars immigration agents from stopping individuals without reasonable suspicion and from relying on four factors – alone or in combination – including apparent race or ethnicity; speaking Spanish or English with an accent; presence in a particular location like a bus stop, car wash, or agricultural site; or the work the person does.
> The second TRO orders DHS to provide access to counsel on weekdays, weekends, and holidays for people who are detained in B-18, the federal building in downtown Los Angeles.
IANAL, but the four points I mentioned above are beyond acceptable police behavior, and likely unconstitutional. People have a right to document both daily public police actions and ones that are beyond the pale and likely unconstitutional.
Regular police officers have badges with numbers, faces, names and warrants.
> the 700% increase touted in press releases reflected a mere 69 more assaults on officers than during the same period in 2024. Hardly worth remarking on.
What is the current SOTA advice on what to do if 1) approached and asked questions by ICE, 2) detained by ICE; broken down by A) “I’m a US citizen”, B) “I’m not a US citizen, have legal status to be in the US”, C) “I’m not a US citizen, don’t have legal status to be in the US”?
If some masked, unidentified guy grabs you and tells you to get in his car, how are you supposed to know if he is an ICE agent or a kidnapper? Scary stuff.
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[ 3.6 ms ] story [ 41.6 ms ] thread[1] https://adflegal.org/article/speech-not-violence-and-violenc...
[2] https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/national-speech-index...
[3] https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/07/why-it...
Now they want us to believe that cameras are threats of violence.
Appellate courts in the First, Third, Fifth, Seventh, Ninth, and Eleventh Circuits have all held there's a first amendment right to film police, and that law enforcement officers do not have an expectation of privacy in the performance of their duties.
- B. Dolan - Film the Police [2012] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyT1buoyTnY
A. Without badges, or have badges without numbers. Toy-store style.
B. Are faceless.
C. Do not have names displayed.
D. Do not have warrants.
These were mentioned, IIRC, in an ACLU complaint which resulted in restraining orders (see [0]) though the order addressed two points not specifically related to the above.
> The first TRO bars immigration agents from stopping individuals without reasonable suspicion and from relying on four factors – alone or in combination – including apparent race or ethnicity; speaking Spanish or English with an accent; presence in a particular location like a bus stop, car wash, or agricultural site; or the work the person does.
> The second TRO orders DHS to provide access to counsel on weekdays, weekends, and holidays for people who are detained in B-18, the federal building in downtown Los Angeles.
IANAL, but the four points I mentioned above are beyond acceptable police behavior, and likely unconstitutional. People have a right to document both daily public police actions and ones that are beyond the pale and likely unconstitutional.
Regular police officers have badges with numbers, faces, names and warrants.
[0] https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-releases/court-prohibits-...
https://johndrogerslaw.com/the-first-amendmeAVnt-and-photogr...
Classic case of ICE lying with stats.