A lot of missing details here, funny the headline makes the boss seem heartless for doing something so unprofessional when the text reveals it's because the author pestered him while he was on vacation.
I empathize with the author of this post, but is this really the type of story we want on HN? Does this inspire intellectual curiosity? I just feel a directionless anger after reading this.
The author comes across as unsympathetic because he seems to have a near-total failure to model the world. He can model one resentful aspect of it, but not the rest.
> He said he was letting me go because my department was the most expensive in the agency, and that last month the company closed in the red for the very first time. He told me, very sadly, that he even had to take out a loan to pay his mortgage, and that cutting costs was the only way to keep the agency alive. All of this, of course, from his vacation in Hawaii.
If you are a business or a department of a business and losing money, it's often sensible to axe it. Yes that may involve axing some or all of the people involved, but there's no "oh well we're losing money, but I'm rich enough, better let the business keep losing money" reasoning. That is generally considered incoherent. This feels like "money comes from the money store" levels of reasoning.
> I just hope that someday my boss can forgive me and give me another chance to make him richer, without expecting anything in return, not even the tiniest bit of empathy or courage it takes to fire someone while looking them in the eye.
Emphasis mine. Presumably this person was paid? If he was doing unpaid work for a boss for profit, maybe this would make more sense. But under normal circumstances he absolutely expecting - and getting - something in return.
I would recommend that the author try to go into business for himself. It may be the only way to really understand what he is missing, if he has missed it all these years.
Agencies use a lot of contractors. This sounds like a part time contractor kind of gig not full time based on the details.
Not that this makes everything OK, but that would explain the weeks of silence followed by termination over whatsapp. It’s possible there were no further formal requirements to sever the relationship besides ceasing communication.
So you are trying to shame your boss for firing you over WhatsApp while he was on vacation in Hawaii, when you were the one who repeatedly messaged him, including on his personal WhatsApp number, while he was on vacation in Hawaii?
You could have gotten paid for a few more weeks (and maybe even secured a severance) had you been patient and let the official layoff notice come to you.
Ragebait that buries the lede: The author initiated the conversation with the boss, not the other way around. The company was losing money and had to cut staff.
Even the introductory sentence has the puzzling statement “one of my jobs” which raises a lot of questions. Was this person over-employed? Was this part-time contracting situation?
The story is wildly different based on what job the person has. Are they supposed to be a senior-ish employee who is supposed to know what to do without being told? (Pardon my ignorance) Do people at agencies usually get assigned tasks by a project manager and that's it, they have no agency or independence in picking up tasks?
If a senior engineer who's supposed to be independent and who knows that messages me on a personal number while I'm on vacation, I probably wouldn't fire them immediately, but that person is unlikely to be considered a high performer.
Totally different situation for a panicking junior, which is a situation that means I've done something more wrong.
I'm guessing this is fiction, but it's not unreasonable. Employers love to harp on about "loyalty," "being family," and "caring for you." Try to remember the last time any employer of yours has demonstrated these traits for either you or a, functionally ex-, colleague.
We need to stop participating in this brouhaha as an industry. If your employer wanted to demonstrate loyalty you would see it in your contract.
Operating a business is hard? Well, yes, so is surviving.
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[ 0.23 ms ] story [ 24.7 ms ] thread> He said he was letting me go because my department was the most expensive in the agency, and that last month the company closed in the red for the very first time. He told me, very sadly, that he even had to take out a loan to pay his mortgage, and that cutting costs was the only way to keep the agency alive. All of this, of course, from his vacation in Hawaii.
If you are a business or a department of a business and losing money, it's often sensible to axe it. Yes that may involve axing some or all of the people involved, but there's no "oh well we're losing money, but I'm rich enough, better let the business keep losing money" reasoning. That is generally considered incoherent. This feels like "money comes from the money store" levels of reasoning.
> I just hope that someday my boss can forgive me and give me another chance to make him richer, without expecting anything in return, not even the tiniest bit of empathy or courage it takes to fire someone while looking them in the eye.
Emphasis mine. Presumably this person was paid? If he was doing unpaid work for a boss for profit, maybe this would make more sense. But under normal circumstances he absolutely expecting - and getting - something in return.
I would recommend that the author try to go into business for himself. It may be the only way to really understand what he is missing, if he has missed it all these years.
Not that this makes everything OK, but that would explain the weeks of silence followed by termination over whatsapp. It’s possible there were no further formal requirements to sever the relationship besides ceasing communication.
slack isn't fit for purpose. the missing messages will eventually show up but long after the negative impact has been realized.
You could have gotten paid for a few more weeks (and maybe even secured a severance) had you been patient and let the official layoff notice come to you.
Learn and move on.
Even the introductory sentence has the puzzling statement “one of my jobs” which raises a lot of questions. Was this person over-employed? Was this part-time contracting situation?
This is just anger bait.
If a senior engineer who's supposed to be independent and who knows that messages me on a personal number while I'm on vacation, I probably wouldn't fire them immediately, but that person is unlikely to be considered a high performer.
Totally different situation for a panicking junior, which is a situation that means I've done something more wrong.
We need to stop participating in this brouhaha as an industry. If your employer wanted to demonstrate loyalty you would see it in your contract.
Operating a business is hard? Well, yes, so is surviving.