Of course they will say they don't have the key data.
Do we expect them to admit they were outright lying and wrong considering their leader is a pill popping Nazi salute making workaholic known to abuse his workers?
> Immediately after the wreck at 9:14 p.m. on April 25, 2019, the crucial data detailing how it unfolded was automatically uploaded to the company’s servers and stored in a vast central database, according to court documents. Tesla’s headquarters soon sent an automated message back to the car confirming that it had received the collision snapshot.
> Moments later, court records show, the data was just as automatically “unlinked” from the 2019 Tesla Model S at the scene, meaning the local copy was marked for deletion, a standard practice for Teslas in such incidents, according to court testimony.
The description of the guy finding the data while at a Starbucks doesn't do justice to his setup shown in the photo. My dude has a seriously chaotic and awesome setup there.
Do I understand it correctly? Crash data gets automatically transmitted to Tesla, and after it was transmitted is immediately marked for deletion?
If that is actually designed like this, the only reason I could see for it would be so that Tesla has sole access to the data and can decide whether to use it or not. Which really should not work in court, but it seems it has so far.
And of course I'd expect an audit trail for the deletion of crash data on Tesla servers. But who knows whether there actually isn't one, or nobody looked into it at all.
Years back I bought a model3 infotainment unit on eBay to hack on - it’s absolutely insane at the amount of data contained on them. After gaining access to the system I was able to get the VIN of the car and find the salvage auction from the car it came out of - it had been wrecked. I then was able to get all the location data that gets logged, showing a glimpse of the previous owners life (house, work, stores they went to, etc) as well as the final resting place of the car. The last gps locations logged were at the end of a “T” intersection in North Carolina - google street view gave a nice look at the trees the car most likely hit :>
This doesn't just apply to Tesla of course. You've discovered what is in most modern Infotainment systems. The car no longer belongs to the customer and is a source of continuous revenue for the manufacturer - at least that's the way the C-suite sees it. Early in my career I worked for one of the most popular car companies on the Infotainment team, and I argued for customer privacy and data on a daily basis with managers and other engineers. I was always the minority.
Don't worry, once Tesla figures out secure boot nobody will be able to call their bluff and they'll be free to 'lose' crash data with the same impunity the police loses their bodycam footage.
With everything that is wrong with Tesla, I'll be the first to say that all Tesla cars need to be taken off of the roads, at least until all of their auto-driving features have been fully removed.
The video is staggering, going super fast before an intersection, with no visibility, a blinking signal, and clear stop sign in sight. I hope FSD got better
So, will tesla get nuked from orbit for what is obviously a serious, intentional and systemic discovery violation or is this just ok because it's a big corp?
> In the annotated video played for the jury, the vehicle detects a vehicle about 170 feet away. A subsequent frame shows it detecting a pedestrian about 116 feet away. As McGee hurtles closer and closer, the video shows the Tesla planning a path through Angulo’s truck, right where he and his girlfriend were standing behind signs and reflectors highlighting the end of the road.
So the Tesla detected the vehicle and the pedestrian, and then plans a path through them? Wow! How bad is this software?
I'd like to hear the law say that self-driving cars should collect data (video, sensor inputs, actuator outputs), and that it is the property of the law when an accident happens. No exceptions. The real question is how the law is written, for it should leave no doubt about what Tesla, or any other, is required to do.
Probably all cars should have a black box, as both modern electronics and humans can do weird stuff.
So first the data wasn't there, and suddenly it is there. I think the only way to prevent tis in the future is to litigate against those individuals who knowingly lie for a company.
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[ 4.0 ms ] story [ 1413 ms ] threadDo we expect them to admit they were outright lying and wrong considering their leader is a pill popping Nazi salute making workaholic known to abuse his workers?
> Moments later, court records show, the data was just as automatically “unlinked” from the 2019 Tesla Model S at the scene, meaning the local copy was marked for deletion, a standard practice for Teslas in such incidents, according to court testimony.
Wow...just wow.
If that is actually designed like this, the only reason I could see for it would be so that Tesla has sole access to the data and can decide whether to use it or not. Which really should not work in court, but it seems it has so far.
And of course I'd expect an audit trail for the deletion of crash data on Tesla servers. But who knows whether there actually isn't one, or nobody looked into it at all.
Lies about capabilities, timelines, even things as frivolous as being rank one in a video game. He bought Twitter to scale his deception.
Props to greenthehacker. may you sip Starbuck's venti-size hot chocolates for many years to come.
So the Tesla detected the vehicle and the pedestrian, and then plans a path through them? Wow! How bad is this software?
Probably all cars should have a black box, as both modern electronics and humans can do weird stuff.