The example prompt "intense anime battle between a boy with a sword made of blue fire and an evil demon demon" is super clearly just replicating Blue Exorcist https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Exorcist
That, and the dragon looking straight out of How to Train Your Dragon - I wonder if they have agreements with the right holders, or if they expect massive lawsuits to create free advertising for their launch.
Overall, appears rather underwhelming. Long way to go still for video generation.
Also, launching this as a social app seems like yet another desperate try to productize and monetize their tech, but this is the position big VC money forces you into.
That's the first thing I noticed, too. The first words you hear in the trailer sounds like someone ran the voice through a comb filter. It's so bad it made my skin crawl immediately.
OpenAI apparently assumes that the primary users of Sora 2/the Sora app will be Gen Z, especially with the demo examples shown in the livestream. If they are trying to pull users from TikTok with this, it won't work: there's some nuance to Gen Z interests than being quirky and random, and if they did indeed pull users from TikTok then ByteDance could easily include their own image/video generators.
Sora 2 itself as a video model doesn't seem better than Veo 3/Kling 2.5/Wan 2.2, and the primary touted feature of having a consistent character can be sufficiently emulated in those models with an input image.
Good point. I think OpenAI lacks the cultural understanding that tiktok is providing their users not only with entertainment but also social things like trends, reviews, gossip, self-expression. These aspects are not included in the sora experience.
I received an invite and spent the last 6 hours generating an ungodly amount of free videos on the Sora app, they are AS GOOD as the cherry picked ones in the demo. They are insane. And the "social aspect" of the app is also very good.
I predict that this will move some people over, and IG/TT will lose marketshare.
IDK if the site is being hugged to death but I can only load the first video. Even in just one viewing there were noticeable artifacts, so my impression is that Veo is still in the lead here.
I find it comical that OpenAI with all the power of CharGPT even them are unable to release an app for both iOS and Android at the same time. Wow, good marketing for Codex.
Just seeing the examples that I assumed are cherry picked, it seems like they're still behind on Google when it comes to video generation, the physics and stylized versions of these shots seem not great. Veo3 was such a huge leap and is still ahead of many of the other large AI labs.
The most interesting thing by far is the ability to include video clips of people and products as a part of the prompt and then create a realistic video with that metadata. On the technical side, I'm guessing they've just trained the model to conditionally generate videos based on predetermined characters -- it's likely more of a data innovation than anything architectural. However, as a user, the feature is very cool and will likely make Sora 2 very useful commercially.
However, I still don't see how OpenAI beats Google in video generation. As this was likely a data innovation, Google can replicate and improve this with their ownership of YouTube. I'd be surprised if they didn't already have something like this internally.
Someone who doesn't follow the moving edge would be forgiven for being confused by the dismissive criticism dominating this thread so far.
It's not that I disagree with the criticism; it's rather that when you live on the moving edge it's easy to lose track of the fact that things like this are miraculous and I know not a single person who thought we would get results "even" like this, this quickly.
This is a forum frequented by people making a living on the edge—get it. But still, remember to enjoy a little that you are living in a time of miracles. I hope we have leave to enjoy that.
I know the comments here are gonna be negative but I just find this so sick and awesome. Feels like it's finally close to the potential we knew was possible a few years ago. Feels like a pixar moment when CG tech showed a new realm of what was possible with toy story
Cool demo! But let’s pour one out for all the weird, janky, hand crafted videos that made early internet so fun. Anyone else still crave that kind of content?
Doing this as a social app somehow feels really gross, and I can't quite put to words why.
Like, it should be preferable to keep all the slop in the same trough. But it's like they can't come up with even one legitimate use case, and so the best product they can build around the technology is to try to create an addictive loop of consuming nothing but auto-generated "empty-calories" content.
So a social network that's 100% your friends doing silly AI things?
I feel like this is the ultimate extension of "it feels like my feed is just the artificial version of what's happening my friends and doesn't really tell me anything about how they're actually faring."
It's obvious there is no way OpenAI can keep videos generated by this within their ecosystem. Everything will be fake, nothing real. We are going to have to change the way we interact with video. While it's obviously possible to fake videos today, it takes work by the creator and takes skill. Now it will take no skill so the obvious consequence of this is we can't believe anything we see.
The worst part is we are already seeing bad actors saying 'I didn't say that' or 'I didn't do that, it was a deep fake'. Now you will be able to say anything in real life and use AI for plausible deniability.
Find this sort of innovation far less interesting or exciting than the text & speech work, but it seems to be a primary driver of adoption for the median person in a way that text capability simply is not.
Sam Altman has made (for me) encouraging statements in the past about short-form video like TikTok being the best current example of misaligned AI. While this release references policies to combat "Doomscrolling and RL-sloptimization", it's curious that OpenAI would devote resources to building a social app based on AI generated short form video, which seems to be a core problem in our world. IMO you can't tweak the TikTok/YouTube shorts format and make it a societal good all of a sudden, especially with exclusively AI content. This is a disturbing development for Altman's leadership, and sort of explains what happened in 2023 when they tried to remove him... -> says one thing, does the opposite.
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[ 3.2 ms ] story [ 108 ms ] threadSora 2 itself as a video model doesn't seem better than Veo 3/Kling 2.5/Wan 2.2, and the primary touted feature of having a consistent character can be sufficiently emulated in those models with an input image.
I predict that this will move some people over, and IG/TT will lose marketshare.
App link
edit: CBN80W for an invite code
However, I still don't see how OpenAI beats Google in video generation. As this was likely a data innovation, Google can replicate and improve this with their ownership of YouTube. I'd be surprised if they didn't already have something like this internally.
edit: as per usual it's not yet...
It's not that I disagree with the criticism; it's rather that when you live on the moving edge it's easy to lose track of the fact that things like this are miraculous and I know not a single person who thought we would get results "even" like this, this quickly.
This is a forum frequented by people making a living on the edge—get it. But still, remember to enjoy a little that you are living in a time of miracles. I hope we have leave to enjoy that.
Like, it should be preferable to keep all the slop in the same trough. But it's like they can't come up with even one legitimate use case, and so the best product they can build around the technology is to try to create an addictive loop of consuming nothing but auto-generated "empty-calories" content.
I feel like this is the ultimate extension of "it feels like my feed is just the artificial version of what's happening my friends and doesn't really tell me anything about how they're actually faring."
The worst part is we are already seeing bad actors saying 'I didn't say that' or 'I didn't do that, it was a deep fake'. Now you will be able to say anything in real life and use AI for plausible deniability.