Interesting, I always heard that x11 was not getting dropped until Plasma 7. While I am now fully on wayland myself, still not sure how to feel about this, feels a bit soon.
What I am uncomfortable with is the inability to run Wayland on older video hardware. X11 will happily run with Vesa driver on older hardware which no longer has functional 3D accelerated drivers.
What is the way forward for the retro community to run a modern Wayland system on older hardware?
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can chime in or correct me
>What is the way forward for the retro community to run a modern Wayland system on older hardware?
I'm curious why that's something that should happen. Shouldn't the 'retro community' be happy with retro software and not expect cutting edge software to work on their hardware?
I love kde and it is what i use but still having the bug from time to time that the panels dissapear and have to relaunch plasmashell, also i wish they merged the virtual desktops and activities into one concept and allowed different wallpapers on each.
The theme settings is also confusing because of gtk apps, global theme etc. Feels everything around theming could be made nicer.
Prob some more nitpicks but overall it is a really great desktop environment.
Bluetooth is still broken beyond belief and here we are with another post from KDE about Wayland. If Wayland will be as buggy as the KDE bluetooth implementation, it’s an easy pass.
I love Wayland. I just absolutely love hard-rebooting my computer twice a day. Oh, need to walk away from the desk? Better switch into a TTY before unplugging the dock so I can force restart SDDM when it crashes. Oh no! Walked out of WiFi range? Your DE is hard frozen and the only operable button is the power button.
Wayland truly saves me so much time at work. It's forced me to re-up my ctrl+s reflex. Now I never lose work when it randomly crashes!
We've also been playing a fun new game. Every morning when I walk into the office my giant 5Kx1K monitor might be reset to literally any imaginable resolution and I have to figure out how to navigate to the display configuration menu to manually reset it because of course replugging the screen doesn't work.
I love Wayland. It's so easy to use and reliable. But MOST IMPORTANT it's newer than X11. Thank god I don't have to use gross old software written in uncool languages. God for-fucking-bid we have to run old software that works instead of new software that-- while not as good as the old software-- is still new
What's that? Wayland is almost 20 years old and still not to feature parity with any other OS? Well, it's newer than X11!
Yeesh. Not optimistic about this. Fingers crossed but it's really frustrating when people feel this rush to move off the old way that's working in favor of a new way that doesn't yet do everything the old one does.
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Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can chime in or correct me
I'm curious why that's something that should happen. Shouldn't the 'retro community' be happy with retro software and not expect cutting edge software to work on their hardware?
> In certain cases, 3rd-party applications doing specialized tasks like taking screenshots
In what way is this copy&paste-like staple of general computing some "specialized" task?
Will the new opportunities include reaching "specialized" feature parity?
> In the longer term, this change opens up new opportunities for features, optimizations, and speed of development.
The theme settings is also confusing because of gtk apps, global theme etc. Feels everything around theming could be made nicer.
Prob some more nitpicks but overall it is a really great desktop environment.
What do you guys use/recommend?
Intel HD630 graphics in Kaby Lake Core i5 7500T & Core i7 7700T. CachyOS.
A very basic functional test, with NVidia drivers 580.95:
Gnome and Xorg - Minecraft with a heavyish shader gives 60fps, Kerbal Space Program gives 60fps, DaVinci Resolve works
KDE and Wayland - Minecraft with the same shader gives 4fps, KSP gives 2fps, DaVinci Resolve does not work
Gnome and Wayland: Minecraft gives 3fps, KSP gives 3fps, DaVinci Resolve does not work.
So, acceleration is not supported, it seems. Bummer.
Maybe next year Wayland will be relevant.
Wayland truly saves me so much time at work. It's forced me to re-up my ctrl+s reflex. Now I never lose work when it randomly crashes!
We've also been playing a fun new game. Every morning when I walk into the office my giant 5Kx1K monitor might be reset to literally any imaginable resolution and I have to figure out how to navigate to the display configuration menu to manually reset it because of course replugging the screen doesn't work.
I love Wayland. It's so easy to use and reliable. But MOST IMPORTANT it's newer than X11. Thank god I don't have to use gross old software written in uncool languages. God for-fucking-bid we have to run old software that works instead of new software that-- while not as good as the old software-- is still new
What's that? Wayland is almost 20 years old and still not to feature parity with any other OS? Well, it's newer than X11!