I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

244 points by fred1268 ↗ HN
I stumble upon a post from shannoncc called "I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion", and it made me think. I am also (almost) 60, but AI just killed the passion. I remember all the pre-AI days, where I was enjoying coding during the day, the evening, the weekends and the vacations. This is no more, while others have their "passion re-ignited".

I would argue it depends on what you enjoy: the journey or the destination. I have always enjoyed the journey, I think people having a blast nowadays are enjoying the destination. AI gave us more destinations, but less journey. It is not worse or better, just different.

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I'm not sure I understand... why not simply ignore AI and keep coding the way you always have? It's a bit like saying motorboats killed your passion for rowing.
Can't you continue to do what you've been doing? What specifically about the existence of AI is killing the passion out of curiosity?
I'm 42 years old and it has re-ignited mine. I've spent my career troubleshooting and being a generalist, not really interested in writing code outside of for systems and networking usage. It's boring to type out (lots of fun to plan though!) and outdated as soon as it is written.

I've made and continue to make things that I've been thinking about for a while, but the juice was never worth the squeeze. Bluetooth troubleshooting for example -- 5 or 6 different programs will log different parts of the stack independently. I've made an app calling all of these apps, and grouping all of their calls based on mac address' and system time of the calls to correlate and pinpoint the exact issue.

Now I heard the neckbeards crack their knuckles, getting ready to bear down on their split keyboards and start telling me how the program doesn't work because AI made it, it isn't artistic enough for their liking, or whatever the current lie they comfort themselves with is. But it does work, and I've used it already to determine some of my bad devices are really bad.

But there are bugs, you exclaim! Sure, but have you seen human written code?? I've made my career in understanding these systems, programming languages, and people using the systems -- troubleshooting is the fun part and I guess lucky for me is that my favorite part is the thing that will continue to exist.

But what about QA? Humans are better? No. Please guys, stop lying to yourselves. Even if there was a benefit that Humans bring over AI in this arena, that lead is evaporating fast or is already gone. I think a lot of people in our industry take their knowledge and ability to gatekeep by having that knowledge as some sort of a good thing. If that was the only thing you were good at, then maybe it is good that the AI is going to do the thing they excel at and leave those folks to theirs.

It can leave humans to figure out how to maybe be more human? It is funny to type that since I have been on a computer 12h a day since like 1997...but there is a reason why we let calculators crunch large sums, and manufacturing robots have multiple articulating points in their arms making incredible items at insane speeds. I guess there were probably people who like using slide rules and were really good at it, pissed because their job was taken by a device that can do it better and faster. Diddnt the slide rule users take the job from people who did not have a tool like that at first but still had to do the job?

Did THEY complain about that change as well? Regardless, all of these people were left behind if all they are going to do is complain. If you only built one skill in your career, and that is writing code and nothing else, that is not the programs fault.

The journey exists for those who desire to build the knowledge that they lack and use these new incredible tools.

For everyone else, there is Hacker News and an overwhelmingly significant crowd that are ready to talk about the good ole days instead of seeing the opportunities in expanding your talents with software that helps you do your thing better than you have ever dreamed of.

Same here!! 39, working through a backlog of side projects that never got built before. The velocity is insanely fun compared to even two years ago.

Best part has been building stuff with my kids. They come up with game ideas, we prototype them together, and they actually ship. Watching them go from "what if it did this" to a working thing they can show their friends has been incredibly enjoyable (instead of them asking why I'm behind my computer again)

I always liked coding but honestly liked the end result more.

I'm even older, I've been coding for over 50 years. Now I just do it as a passtime and I use AI to complete lines of code I would have written anyway. It's the structure and the approach which interests me and it's all mine.
To me I think it just changed the destination. Now the journey is about the domain - experimenting with how ideas fit together. Yes I can type in a few words and have more working code than I did before, but not a product or suite or game or capability or whatever it is I’m building towards.
Hello, I cannot tell if this is true or not, since I have not been able to really test the ability of Claude AI to code.

I am looking for a web API I could use with CURL, and limited "public/testing" API keys. Anyone?

I am very interested in Claude code to test its ability to code assembly (x86_64/RISC-V) and to assist the ports of c++ code to plain and simple C (I read something from HN about this which seems to be promising).

I enjoy the journey too. The journey is building systems, not coding. Coding was always the most tedious and least interesting part of it. Thinking about the system, thinking about its implementation details, iterating and making it better and better. Nothing has changed with AI. My ambition grew with the technology. Now I don't waste time on simple systems. I can get to work doing what I've always thought would be impossible, or take years. I can fail faster than ever and pivot sooner.

It's the best thing to happen to systems engineering.

Maybe it is just my experience, because I'm not a system programmer, but instead learning it. I find that concepts in system programming are not really very hard to understand (e.g. log-based file system is the one I'm reading about today), but the implementation, the actual coding, the actual weaving of the system, is most of the fun/grit. Maybe it is just me, but I find that for system programming, I have to implement every part of it, before claiming that I understand it.
My experience was exactly the opposite—I came from the other side entirely. I had absolutely no programming knowledge, and until three weeks ago, I didn’t even know what a Parquet file was.

While reviewing a deep research project I had started, I stumbled upon an inefficiency: The USDA’s phytochemical database is publicly accessible, but it’s spread across 16 CSV files with unclear links. I had the idea to create a single flat table, enriched with data from PubMed, ChEMBL, and patents. Normally, a project like this would have been completely impossible for someone like me—the programming hurdle is far too high for me.

With Claude Opus 4.6, I was actually able to focus entirely on the problem architecture: which data, from where, in what form, for which target audience. Every decision about the system was mine. Claude Opus took care of the implementation.

I’m probably the person your debate about “journey vs. destination” wasn’t meant for. For me, the destination was previously unattainable. My journey became possible, because the AI took over the part that I could never have implemented anyway.

I just built two projects where one dogfooded the other and setup a fully working slack bot all in 1 hour. If you still want to manually do things you can. AI can answer questions about common topics way faster than searching docs. Idk why this kills peoples passions. Especially of you're old enough to not need a salary
You do know you don't have to use AI, right? I don't use it for coding (or much at all outside of coding). I'm free to code just like I did before, and so are you.
My trick is to let AI help the journey but not hold on it. Use it for discussion, not implementation. It is even surprisingly good for kernel level projects.
As I commented in the other post, it killed mine at work, because my boss is pushing "AI" really hard on the devs. Fortunately, he's now seeing enough evidence to counteract the hype, but it's still going to be present and dragging down my work. But it my off time, I only experiment with LLMs to see if they're getting better. Spoiler alert: they aren't, at least not for the kind of things I want to do.
I love AI but never used Claude Code.

I just use the chat interface to study and do one-off scripts.

I love having 4-5 bots open and spam the same questions then reading the answers. For everything. Feels like I am doing something, like video games.

It has elevated my wardrobe and music tastes but I still had to have a baseline ofc. They are way too agreeable still.

> it depends on what you enjoy: the journey or the destination

This has been 100% my experience. I enjoy the puzzle solving and the general joy of organizing and pulling things together. I could really care less about the end result to meet some business need. The fun part is in the building, it's in the understanding, the growth of me.

I have coworkers who get itchy when they don't see their work on production, and super defensive in code review but I've never really cared. The goal is to solve the puzzle. If there's a better way to solve the puzzle, I want to know. If it takes a week to get through code review, what do I care, I'm already off to the next puzzle.

Being forced to use Claude at work, it really just took away everything that was enjoyable. Instead of solving puzzles I'm wrangling a digital junior dev that doesn't really learn from its mistakes, and lies all the time.

> The fun part is in the building, it's in the understanding, the growth of me.

I agree with this sentiment as well. Without a doubt, my favorite part of the job is coming up with a solution that just 'feels right', especially when said solution is much cleaner than brute force/naive approach. It sounds cheesy, but it truly is one of my favorite sensations.

I'm the senior-most engineer on my team of about 15. I try to emphasize software craftsmanship, which resonates with some but not all. We have a few engineers who have seemingly become reliant on AI tooling, and I struggle with them. Some of them are trying to push code that they clearly don't understand and aren't reviewing, and I think they're setting themselves up for failure due to lack of growth.

From my understanding, you can instead use Claude in the following manner: understand and solve the problem, put up pseudo code, and then tell Claude to generate real code and maybe restructure it a bit. So you don't have to write the actual code but have solved the problem all by yourself.
This is me as well. I am actively seeking out a different line of work, because talking to a chat bot gives me 0 joy.
I feel like I still get to solve the puzzles I like because I like the higher level architecture/design parts. I just don’t have to type as much because I can provide a stubbed out solution and tell it to fill I the rest.
Adapting the workflow to this new paradigm is a different sort of puzzle. I think that the folks whom enjoy agentic pair programming have found various satisfactory solutions. As a puzzle enthusiast myself, I have been particularly enjoying this pivotal moment in technology because of how many opportunities there are to create novel approaches to combat the lies and mistakes.
Very well said. Slow code for me. I fully understand what I build. The AI magic bus will come crashing down at some point.
If it's a personal project, I just get AI to do the boring bits and write the fun bits myself. I enjoy coding in general, but every project has its share of boring boilerplate code, or utility functions that you've already written 100 times. Also, LLMS are pretty good at code review, which is very beneficial when you are working on something solo.
The sad truth of life. This story reminded me of the time when I tried my first MMO - at first it felt like a fairy tale, something unknown, something that could still surprise you. And then you get familiar with all the mechanics, and the magic disappears. Now it’s just a “tool.”
For me (60 too) it's both, the journey and the destination. LLMs not only help me get around the boring stuff so I have more time for the things I really want to design and build, but they also open areas for me in which I always wanted to go but for which it was very time consuming or difficult to get the required knowledge (e.g. tons of academic papers which are neither well written nor complete and sometimes just wrong). The LLMs help me to explore and find the right way through those areas, so these adventures suddenly become affordable for me, without doing a PhD on each subject. And even if the LLM generates some code, it still needs a "guiding hand" and engineering experience. So for me, no, AI doesn't kill my passion, but offers a very attractive symbiosis, which makes me much more efficient and my spare-time work even more interesting. I find myself watching fewer and fewer streaming videos because exploring new areas and collaborating with the LLM is much more entertaining.
I will offer an orthogonal take: Spend less time on social media, news, forums etc. They are giving you a skewed view of what's important.
The other post was obviously astroturf bullshit, you can tell because they always mention CLAUDE CODE specifically like it's fucking Coca Cola.
Just… keep coding?
I don't buy this journey vs destination binary I keep hearing. I always considered myself lucky to be 44 and still writing code all day. I love the journey - the mental satisfaction of creating something complex yet elegant. The perfectionism that leads you to ask yourself can this be simpler, faster etc. But I also now love creating things that frankly I was never going to find the time for.
I feel you and at a much younger age. I started programming professionally full time around 2011-2012. Documentation was good but practical applications where you could see what you want to achieve in action were very limited. At the time I found myself writing drivers for fiscal printers using RS-232. The documentation provided by the manufacturer was absolutely horrible. "0x0b -> init, 0x23 -> page", literally code -> single word. Although I hated having to effectively brute force it, the feeling at the end was amazing. I tried AI code on several occasions and I hate it with a passion: full of bugs, completely ignoring edge cases and horrible performance. And ultimately having to spend more time fixing the slop than it takes me to sit down, think it through and get it done right. And I see many "programmers" just throw in a prompt in insert AI company here and celebrate the slop, patting themselves on the back.

It's the programming equivalent of those tiktok videos split in half, top half being random stock videos, bottom being temple run and an AI narration of a mildly wtf reddit post.

In a way I am lucky that I work at a place where everyone gets to choose what they want to use and how they use it. So my weapons of choice are a slightly tweaked, almost vanilla zsh, vim and zed with 0 ai features. I have a number of friends/former coworkers working at places where the usage of ai is not just allowed or encouraged but mandated. And is part of their performance score - the more you slop-code, the better your performance.

I'm convinced that most programmers largely hate making software and solving user problems. They just like fiddling with code. And honestly it explains so much.