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As a paying customer, it just doesn't feel good that they are trying to pass off someone else's model as their own.

I mean I guess this is what businesses do all the time. There's a term for it even, it's called white-labeling.

But is this all that Cursor have? They pass of VS Code as their own, they pass off Kimi as their own... What do Cursor even do? What do I need them for?

im pretty sure this is in violation of moonshot's ToS. this is going to be fun to watch unfold
Honestly I don't think this leak is any good for Cursor. Not only this appears as a violation to Moonshot's ToS, this may also be in fact enough evidence for Anthropic to ban Cursor from using their models, just like they are doing to OpenCode.

Why? As I said before, Anthropic mentions Moonshot AI (Maker of the Kimi models) as one of the AI labs that were part of this alleged "distillation attack" [0] campaign and will use that reason to cut off Cursor, Just like they did to OpenAI, xAI and OpenCode.

Let's see if the market thinks Composor 2 is really that good without the Claude models helping Cursor. (If Anthropic cuts them off).

[0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...

Cursor is mostly an IDE / coding-agent harness company. So it probably makes sense for them not to train their own base model, but instead license something like Kimi and fine-tune it for their own harness and workflows.

Their moat looks pretty thin. A VSCode fork with an open-source LLM fork on top. In the fast-moving coding-agent market, it’s not obvious they keep their massive valuation forever.

A hyped startup providing zero added value, burning investor money only to repackage somebody else's work? That's new... /s
Their first model was also based on an open source Chinese base model. They never fully trained their own model.
Cursor Composer 1 was Qwen and this is Kimi. IDE is based on VSCode. The entire company is build on packaging open source and reselling it.

Ollama is also doing this.

There is so much money to be made repackaging open source these days.

So funny to see Twitter go wild saying "a 50 person team just beat Anthropic" blah blah.

It just means Kursor is sharing data with Chinese llm which enables them to improve their LLM by training on outputs and input of all data which cursor collects.

It's a two way street.

To be fair, is "with RL", "just"?

They should have disclosed it though. If they didn't it's a bad look for sure.

Could you explain how much improvement RL+fine tuning has given Composer 2.0 over Kimi K2.5? I don't fully grasp the work Cursor model has done here.
This whole ai stuff feels like a big bubble especially with the oil price soon at $200 and guaranteed recession.
Cursor can't compete with Claude Code's subsidized pricing, so they are trying to gaslight people that their cheap model is good enough.
A question. I’m due for a yearly Cursor subscription renewal, how does the credit limit look like?

Currently I’ve not hit any of the limits despite using it quite rigorously, I wonder if this will change with a renewal?

There are many reasons to make fun of Cursor. However, one of the things get right is their autocomplete model.

Are there any open models that come close? Why doesnt OAI or Anthropic dedicate some resources to blowing Cursor's model out of the water? Cursor's completion model is a sticking point for a lot of users.

For all the muh productivity guys that like to claim they can turn invisible when no one is looking, an produce 600k lock over 6 weeks, well...cursor is useless now. We know kimi K2.5 won't make you 100 trillion times faster.

Cursor is killed for this market.

Scores higher than Opus 4.6 on their in-house benchmark? Sounds legit.
There's no "just" in RL. Fine tuning is very important and could make a lot of difference.
Indeed, this is quite obvious on Claude models vs Gemini. I fully believe Gemini is more powerful model, but the post training process is nowhere near what Anthropic does, which results in Gemini being horrible at coding sessions, while Claude is excellent.
Moonshot is raising money at a 10B usd valuation, cursor/anysphere is at a 30B usd valuation.
YC is back at it again.
I'm annoyed that we still don't know for certain which base model they used for Cursor 1.

This feels really rude to me. I have no problem with them fine-tuning open weight models to create their own - they are getting great results, and Cursor's research term should be respected for that. But deliberately hiding the base model they use is disrespectful of the researchers who created that model.

I don't know - it works okay (yet to be tested whether it is actually smarter than Opus 4.6), but it is not bad at all. So far, it works quite fine (I'm not testing the "fast" version).
This is exactly what Cursor should be doing, within the obvious bounds of the law and such. Not everyone needs a pristine foundation model. What a waste of compute. Anthropic & OpenAI need product-level competition to knock them off their $25/Mtok horse.
This is actually becoming a path dependency, a dependence on the supply chain.