This is why you need a phrase that you've never shared in a text or on social media that you can use so your family knows it's you. Especially to protect them from scammers pretending to be you.
For what its worth, I’ve tried this with my family when I was in my teens, some 20+ years ago. The idea wasn’t to test it’s really them, rather that they are not forced to say things.
Then came the time when I wanted to use it. They didn’t remember. Not the phrase. Nor that we ever talked about this in the first place.
At this point "spotting AI" is IMO an irrelevant skill. It's something to be aware of but a bunch of the time I can't tell even with an extended look on static images, or if I'm on a phone and scrolling then nothing really tweaks automatically - perceptually the flaws blend exactly as you'd expect them to.
So it's all context clues really - i.e. if the video tracking shot is sort of within the constraints of the models, plays to obvious agendas etc. then I might tweak to go looking for artifacts...but in the propaganda game? That's already game over. And we're all vulnerable to the ground shifting beneath us - i.e. how much power would there be if you had a model which could just slightly exceed those "well known" limitations?
IMO the failure to implement strong distributed cryptography much earlier in the digital age is going to punish us hard for this - i.e. we haven't built a societal convention of verifying and authenticating digital communications amongst each other, and technology has finally caught up that it can fool our wetware now. It was needed well before this - e.g. the rise of the telephone scam and VOIP should've been when we figured out how to make sure people were in the habit of comprehending digital signatures and authentication. It isn't though, and now something much more dangerous is out there.
Perhaps we need tamper proof authenticated cameras in all major cities worldwide that publish a livestream 24/7 and you can then stand in front of them to prove your human existance...
This could be something that notaries around the world could offer as a service.
> At first, my aunt wasn't buying that any AI was involved. [...] There was a long pause. "I was like 90% sure," she said, hesitating. "But that sounded more artificial."
There is a thing about many people. I don't remember the phenomenon's name, if it has one, but it goes like this:
Given enough time to reconsider options, people will be endlessly flip-flopping between them grabbing onto various features over and over in a loop.
AI companies love to hype up how AI will provide a great benefit to the economy and transform intellectual labor, but I hardly see any discussion about how much damage it will cause to the economy when you can no longer trust that you're on a video call with an actual person. Maybe the person you're interviewing is actually an AI impersonating someone, or maybe they never existed in the first place. Information found online will also no longer be trustable, footage of some incident somewhere may have been entirely fabricated by AI, and we already experience misleading articles today.
Money will have to be wasted on unnecessary flights to see stuff or meet people in-person instead of video, and the availability of actual information will become more and more limited as the sea of online information gets polluted with crap. It may never be possible to calculate the full extent of the damage in monetary value.
Honestly? Maybe that’s part of the solution, not the problem. I already see people including me going back to real world, local interactions and connections.
How do you do when people don't protect their signatures? there is already scam where people get tricked into forwarding message from their own numbers to other people or email.
Image VAEs (variation auto encoders) are functions that compress the latent (working) image down. The earlier VAEs would mess up fine details. At a most basic level, just picture compression issues.
Training against bad previous work with six fingers.
That only proves the scammer isn't using an OpenAI or Anthropic API. Spinning up Llama 3 70B Uncensored on a rented instance and hooking it up to an unfiltered voice engine is literally a two-hour job. Local weights couldn't care less about morals or safety guardrails
Could you say that stuff with llama 3? Llama 2 famously had a good uncensored version but I thought they put a lot of work into ruining llama 3 so you couldn't fine-tune it to say bad things. Even Grok would be hard to use in such a way that you could say phrases like that naturally.
I do believe it's possible but as far as I am aware, getting LLM's to say that sort of stuff is still pretty difficult
Just go look on HuggingFace. It's packed with uncensored models from the Dolphin Llama 3 70B family that will happily write you a recipe for napalm while swearing like a sailor. Meta's guardrails lasted exactly one week before the community figured out weight abliteration - a method that surgically removes the refusal vectors from the weights without even needing a fine-tune
I've started to prove it (here on LinkedIn, countering its Moltbookification) via my bad handwriting – the final frontier of AGI. Finally, a lifetime of training to write more or less illegible pays off.
The same I am trying to do with my (vibe coded!) site "jetzt" (German for "now"), to which I photo blog impressions from everyday life. Only insiders will know what they mean beyond their aesthetic, and it also feels like a good way of human connection in these times.
I can already see the Nextdoor post: "Watch out for this man who is knocking doors around 10th street! He knocked on mine claiming to be my nephew and even looked the part. Already called the police but they arrived late."
Am I too naive in thinking the answer is rather simple? Cryptographic proofs (digital signatures). For text this should be trivial and for streaming video/audio you can probably hash and sign packets or maybe at least keyframes or something?
The author should have mentioned that this was partly an article to whitewash Netanyahu, but this coming from the BBC (and from the mainstream British media as a whole) that was to be expected.
Bibi was hiding like a coward for the first part of the war he had started and so people were beginning to ask legit ate questions about his whereabouts. When an AI-enhanced video of him did eventuality showed up people continue posing some questions, but this this British rag paints those questions as illegitimate and in so doing legitimating Bibi’s communications tactic.
You people should become more aware of the propaganda around you, you’re too easy to play up like fiddles.
To the extent that it's legitimizing the video, it's not general support of how he communicates, and it's not hiding his misdeeds. If that's the core complaint then "whitewashing" is the wrong word.
You don't need to imply I'm uncritical because I take issue with one specific complaint.
It’s absolutely asinine that we’re still relying on paper birth certificates and social security numbers, and stupid tax systems. I’m interested in breaking everything we have to see what comes next.
AI slop detection requires some fine developed intuitions that come from decades-long exposure to both journalism/marketing slop as well as high quality literature. Because AI was aligned out of the hell by low level journalism newly graduates.
That's why it always falls back to the same tired formalistic clichês, like "Not this, but that", rampant baiting and sensationalism, because that's what would get high marks from your typical low-rent liberal arts annotator.
i wonder what is the captcha equivalent of ai bots? ask about taboo topics to rule out commercial models and ask about specific reasoning questions that trip ai like walking vs driving to car wash? or your own set?
This is scary but also kind of hilarious. You should feel proud your aunt still judges first before believing anything online. I've heard so many stories from friends lately. These scams are getting crazy. Scammers are already using pictures of influential people and even jumping on video calls pretending to be them.
More than a year ago I suggested that our family adopt a sign/countersign type of authentication (I say "the migrating birds fly low over the sea", you say "shadeless windows admit no light" ;-). It was clear at that time that we were going to start seeing scams get more advanced and hard to tell from valid requests for money, for example.
I thought I'd get at least some traction, considering part of the family works for No Such Agency. Nope. <shrug>
Somewhat related: over the last few weeks at work we've started having people calling our customer support asking for their e-mail addresses to be changed. The first one went through, but the scammer somehow messed it up and the address bounced. They called back in and the support person they talked to recognized by voice that it wasn't the same person they'd talked to in the past. Now we've had this happen to 3 different accounts, the first two times was people with thick Indian accents, the most recent one was suspected of being AI generated voice.
Did Treyvon make it home safely after arguing with George Zimmerman, and then intentionally leave his home to go start a fight on the bad advice of his girlfriend to [not get punked]?
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[ 1.9 ms ] story [ 71.9 ms ] threadThen came the time when I wanted to use it. They didn’t remember. Not the phrase. Nor that we ever talked about this in the first place.
So it's all context clues really - i.e. if the video tracking shot is sort of within the constraints of the models, plays to obvious agendas etc. then I might tweak to go looking for artifacts...but in the propaganda game? That's already game over. And we're all vulnerable to the ground shifting beneath us - i.e. how much power would there be if you had a model which could just slightly exceed those "well known" limitations?
IMO the failure to implement strong distributed cryptography much earlier in the digital age is going to punish us hard for this - i.e. we haven't built a societal convention of verifying and authenticating digital communications amongst each other, and technology has finally caught up that it can fool our wetware now. It was needed well before this - e.g. the rise of the telephone scam and VOIP should've been when we figured out how to make sure people were in the habit of comprehending digital signatures and authentication. It isn't though, and now something much more dangerous is out there.
Perhaps we need tamper proof authenticated cameras in all major cities worldwide that publish a livestream 24/7 and you can then stand in front of them to prove your human existance...
This could be something that notaries around the world could offer as a service.
There is a thing about many people. I don't remember the phenomenon's name, if it has one, but it goes like this:
Given enough time to reconsider options, people will be endlessly flip-flopping between them grabbing onto various features over and over in a loop.
Money will have to be wasted on unnecessary flights to see stuff or meet people in-person instead of video, and the availability of actual information will become more and more limited as the sea of online information gets polluted with crap. It may never be possible to calculate the full extent of the damage in monetary value.
Maybe Apple will be able to pull it off? Aka if you FaceTime me I know that you are a person
How was this solved, actually? More training data, or was there more to it?
More training on fingers specifically.
Image VAEs (variation auto encoders) are functions that compress the latent (working) image down. The earlier VAEs would mess up fine details. At a most basic level, just picture compression issues.
Training against bad previous work with six fingers.
Models working in 1024 instead of 512.
“Auntie, it’s me! N*** k** f**! X is really a man! ** did 9/11!”
“Oh it really is you Johnny!”
We’re all going to have to start communicating this way. Best of luck.
I offer consulting services on the side to help professionals hone these skills. $250 / hour.
I do believe it's possible but as far as I am aware, getting LLM's to say that sort of stuff is still pretty difficult
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/fabianhemmert_handwriting-vs-...
It feels good to connect with humans that way.
The same I am trying to do with my (vibe coded!) site "jetzt" (German for "now"), to which I photo blog impressions from everyday life. Only insiders will know what they mean beyond their aesthetic, and it also feels like a good way of human connection in these times.
https://jetzt.cx/
(No food, no plane wings, just ugly banalities and beautiful nothingness from everyday life.)
You people should become more aware of the propaganda around you, you’re too easy to play up like fiddles.
You don't need to imply I'm uncritical because I take issue with one specific complaint.
But about deepfakes, these exist to re-add 6 fingers. Once you do this, you can claim the video was generated.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1667241073/realistic-silicone-s...
I truly believe that it is a crime against humanity
Necessity is the mother of invention.
It’s absolutely asinine that we’re still relying on paper birth certificates and social security numbers, and stupid tax systems. I’m interested in breaking everything we have to see what comes next.
That's why it always falls back to the same tired formalistic clichês, like "Not this, but that", rampant baiting and sensationalism, because that's what would get high marks from your typical low-rent liberal arts annotator.
I thought I'd get at least some traction, considering part of the family works for No Such Agency. Nope. <shrug>
Somewhat related: over the last few weeks at work we've started having people calling our customer support asking for their e-mail addresses to be changed. The first one went through, but the scammer somehow messed it up and the address bounced. They called back in and the support person they talked to recognized by voice that it wasn't the same person they'd talked to in the past. Now we've had this happen to 3 different accounts, the first two times was people with thick Indian accents, the most recent one was suspected of being AI generated voice.