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I was skeptical when I saw the headline. And I still am. But AI for manufacturing and industry seems like a good way to differentiate and focus on a vertical that others are ignoring.

What I am curious about is what has Emmi actually built? Who uses it? I was hoping to see something like a demo on the website but couldn’t find anything concrete.

I assume it's more a talent acquisition as the company only exists for 18 months or so and you can't acquire enterprise customers that quickly, not even as an AI vendor.
They built a transformer-based mold flow simulator. Mold flow analysis is used in injection molding to predict whether and how the plastic will fill a cavity. It's helpful to make sure the mold will actually be able to fill, and to try to engineer lighter weight or different geometry.

Mold flow simulators already exist, but they're slow. So if you're a mold engineer, and you want to try different material properties, each run takes time.

By making this into a transformer (no idea what that model looks like) it can run pretty fast, because it's not mathematically solving it, it's running a learned function approximator. So for the mold engineer, suddenly they can just change values around and get pretty fast analysis.

They appear to not be selling it as a product per se, but partnered with a German company called Simcon to sell it, whose website lists it as a preview, so it's unclear how good it is compared to conventional simulations.

Built what you want to use yourself. AI for engineering and physics sounds like the perfect product a company like ASML (Mistral investor) could use.
I'm glad Mistral is doing well, but...

I am so tired of M&A. Buy instead of competing or - heaven forfend - cooperating.

It’s interesting that a French company can compete at international level to some extent, given the regulations, labor laws and generally the business unfriendly environment. I suspect they capitalize on the preference of European governments to use EU products, but might be wrong.
It’s predictable that a board full of 100K USD+[1] salary programmers and capitalists are negative against labor laws.

[1] Outdated by now (higher)?

Abbreviated title leaves out key detail: "Mistral AI Acquires Emmi AI to Create the Leading AI Stack for Industrial Engineering"
That’s more realistic, I was going to say…
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Is Mistral still competitive? I completely forgot they existed because of how much press the Big 3 get (Google, Anthropic and OpenAI).
Thta's amazing, Mistral is winning silently lol
Europe won't be a leader in AI unless they get huge capital investment and datacenter build up. Sadly the regulatory environment of Europe combined with brain drain to America means it won't happen
If I'm only thinking about non-programming business applications, anecdotally, Mistral is certainly a player in the European enterprise market. For most German companies I have interacted with, Mistral was the first point of contact regarding corporate AI rollout. For the "small potatoes" day to day minutia Copilot is probably the #1.