Just wanted to add a follow-up to what I posted above..
In terms of who might be interested in this: I've watched amazing communities spring up around open agents like Opencode and Pi. People are getting into those because of their extensibility and being model-independant. They're great projects, but like many people I know, I really hate being stuck in the terminal for this kind of tool. I also had some ideas around what an agent's UX could be like if every item in the context was a plugin (with its own custom UI).
So I guess if you're a claude/codex user but want to escape the terminal (and let's face it, their GUI apps are also basically the same UX as a terminal but with nicer fonts), I'm trying to do something different here, would be really keen to hear what the enthusiasts think of it!
First of all, it's so cool to see you on HN and creating this. I'm not sure how much the HN community is aware of this, but JUCE is the standard for cross platform music plugin development and needs to work efficiently in hard realtime settings. Many of my favorite plugins are JUCE based (such as the Valhalla stuff) and I'm a huge fan. Tracktion is a great DAW as well that I got a lot of mileage of in my younger days (ended up with Renoise because I'm a tracker guy after all long term).
I mention all this to say someone like you picking up the desire to build an agentic platform really piques my interest. Right now I am using Opencode for most of the stuff I am trying to do at $WORK and it does a good job on the whole at having sufficient functionality. But the release pace is blistering and it does feel bloated - both in terms of functionality as well as system prompts.
Moreover, I observed all of the same issues you mentioned and certainly wanted more of a tree like experience as well as a more UI forward experience. In order to get the functionality I wanted (good worktree support, sandboxing, etc) I eventually just had to let go of using opencode's UI and embrace the TUI because it was the only thing I could embed into a workflow that let me set up all of that in a sane manner. But problems still remain with the "doom scroll" experience when to your point clearly a tree based experience would be better.
I was ready to just settle with my cobbled together opencode flow and maybe migrate to Pi later on and just accept i'd have to roll my own GUI harness for my nontechnical team members. But seeing what you've put together so far (and knowing it's you who wrote it so I'm probably going to just see a step function level better quality in architecture/efficiency) is going to make me reassess in a good way. Some things that I'll be considering:
- Worktree support
- Sandbox support
- Skills/subagent handling
- Hashline based editing (feel like this is a huge part of why
people get better results from pi/omp over opencode/codex/claude code)
- Ability to customize tool calls + have rich embeds
- Web UI support (if i'm building this out for team members, native GUI can get messy and web client is ideal)
- Long horizon efficiency (IE i regularly get to 200k-400k context length sessions; while the model handles it fine, opencode gui will get laggy while the tui keeps chugging along)
For a lot of this stuff, it's less critical that all of this works perfectly out of the box and more critical that the architecture makes it easy to build (ie as with Pi ecosystem). What I'm after long term is something a bit like https://github.com/ColeMurray/background-agents in capability but without the overly tight coupling and design decisions that product has made.
The way I want to get there is to find the right base (whether that's Pi, OpenCode, or your project Juggler) and build the background agent harness layer. Previously it was just Pi and OpenCode and neither was really perfect (GUI story was probably the weakest for both) but it's great that I have another option to diligence that might actually be a better fit for what I'm trying to do.
Excited to see how this develops and kick the tires on it myself. The tree paradigm feels like the killer feature to me; not sure of anything else besides pi/omp that has it.
I've got things like worktree/sandboxing/skills on my TODO list.
I'd heard of hashline based editing - I will dig into that, and it's probably easy to add, though TBH I've not had any hassle with the editing tools so far.
If you get stuck into customising tool calls + their UIs, would love to hear how you get on, as that's one of the big goals for this. I've implemented all the built-in tools as plugins so hopefully it'll cover everything you need.
In terms of long-horizon stuff, yes, I also often hit 3-400k and haven't had any issues, but let me know if you spot anything untoward
Hello HN, I don't post on here much, but wanted to get some eyes on a new project I'm just launching. I think we definitely need one more AI code agent..
I'm a long-term C++ dev, and over 30+ years I've created some successful audio dev tools (JUCE, the Tracktion DAW, the Cmajor DSP language). All of these came from me getting annoyed with something I had to use, and deciding to have a go at my own take on whatever it was.
So Juggler is my attempt at an AI code agent, after spending too many hours loving what the models could do, but hating the CLI experience, and having some opinions of what a better UX might be for this stuff.
Lots more blurb on the website and github, but a quick tech dump which might grab your attention if you're into these things:
A session is a document, not a log file. Each conversation is a Yjs CRDT tree. It can branch into sub-threads (recursively), and you can drill down, backtrack, edit, undo/redo, and inspect everything: tool calls, approvals, and the raw context JSON going to the model, etc. The UI is based around Finder-style Miller columns rather than a big doom-scroll, and is quick to navigate.
Because it's a CRDT behind a local web server, multiple clients can attach P2P to a live session: the native desktop app, a browser tab, or your phone. Run the headless server on the box where the code lives, view it from wherever.
Almost everything is a JavaScript plugin: every item in the context (read/write/bash/etc.), the LLM loop strategies, slash commands, and their UIs. You can inspect, fork, or replace any of them. I don't do much agent customisation myself, but lots of people do, and I'd love to see what they think of with this plugin API.
Go backend, Wails for windowing (no Electron), plain type-checked JS (strict JSDoc), Yjs for the documents. Usual BYOK provider support: Claude (CLI or API), OpenAI/Codex, Gemini, Ollama, OpenRouter, DeepSeek, etc.
The app's AGPLv3; the extension SDK and bundled extensions are Apache-2.0, so extensions have no copyleft strings attached. No signup, no telemetry, trying to make it frictionless for people to try it out..
It's very much a beta, and is a one-man side project. It hasn't yet had a proper kicking from the real world, but I'm confident some people with similar preferences to my own will like it!
UI is clean. could install in Mac. Adding context files at the top is clean. It worked.
Currently I use zed, vscode (for UI). along with claude, codex, Hermes.
Not sure If I will continue to use. But I see it is a clean and good UI, and integrating to my exiting cli's. All the best.
This looks cool! I'll check it out. Out of curiosity: I assume you've also used agents to help build this, and on the site you mention working on this for ~6 months. Most one-man projects I see that use ai seem to focus on creating and presenting a concept as soon as possible
(to a lot of people I think the main benefit of stuff like vibing is that you really quickly get something that you can have others test out).
On the site you also mention being pretty opinionated about the tools you use / build, which I imagine is part of the reason why you spend more time on this before releasing it. What was your experience using ai to build a larger project with a very specific idea / taste in mind?
ACP support would be a big deal and would make this a real contender for me. It looks super nice, but the idea of re-writing my Pi plugins is a real blocker.
I’m generally happy with my agent and want to keep that, but I do think the UI could be better and this looks like a neat step that way.
Nothing to say regarding this release, but thanks so much for creating Tracktion (first DAW I ever used back in 2006) and JUCE (I love and use many audio plugins created with it)! Have a great day!
This looks really interesting and a unique take on the AI agent orchestration. I think we need a bunch of experiments in this area as it's clear we are entering a new paradigm and the tools for it are lacking. The session tree in particular has merits.
I've got my own attempt with OrcaBot (short for orchestration of bots). It's also been a 6 month solo build experiment. I'm not trying to plug.. just that I'm also neck deep in Steve Yegge's Stage 8 AI-assisted coding chart and understand how much thought and effort went into this.
Thinking about where this is all going with talking to AI like fully autonomous employees similar to @Claude can you see a comms app type approach that combines something like slack with your tree/thread structure? It's somewhat orthogonal to your "inspect everything" but could intersect by bringing click through/open in options...
Having now given it a quick spin, I like the UI concept and could definitely see myself working with this. I ran into a bug(?) almost immediately though, I hooked up Deepseek 4 Pro, gave it a small task and got this
```
LLM error: POST "https://api.deepseek.com/v1/chat/completions": 400 Bad Request {"message":"The `reasoning_content` in the thinking mode must be passed back to the API.","type":"invalid_request_error","param":null,"code":"invalid_request_error"}
```
I'm unsure about putting my Anthropic key in there as I've lost track of what they ban you for or whether that eats money from outside of my subscription.
Oooh, and nicer support for codefences would be good.
@julesrms thank you for lending more credibility to the idea that agent conversations need to be natively branching. It's crazy that we're almost 3 years in on this LLM joyride and we still don't have the ability to do, like, reddit/slack-style "aside" convo threads.
Can you go more in depth on why LLM conversations should branch reddit-style? That doesn't seem immediately clear to me, and I'd be afraid that the different branches would step on each others toes? (also I'm assuming what you're describing here goes beyond the "fork" feature found in many agent harnesses).
Interesting. Just opened it up to use, while I had a codex terminal session running - my first instinct was to want to see my pre-existing open session in the GUI instead and be able to drive it in either spot. Is that something I can do?
Also when I opened a new session (in the Juggler GUI) at my root where all my projects live, my instinct was to navigate to a project directory first or to have it open there. Not sure how to do this, without changing the global setting for my projects root. That's how I think through claude code/codex coding sessions via the terminal wondering if that mental model is wrong.
I asked which skills it could access, and it turns out it couldn't access any of my global skills already - I thought that part would just work since it accesses my codex subscription. is that something you plan to add.
No, it talks directly to the GPT API, it doesn't control the codex app in any way.
I've kind of followed the claude model where you have to give it a project folder, and at the moment I've made it so that it has one project/session per window.
I'm pondering whether to let a window contain tabs which each have a different project folder.. this would be easy to do, but feels somehow messier. Opinions welcome on that.
And yeah, I need to make it scan for skills - it's probably an hour's work to implement that, just haven't had time to do it yet! Probably will be done this week
I always like testing out new things to put into my workflow. the first thing I will say is that its a welcome change to have an app 40 MB rather than over 400
I think that’s the secret to stability. I see too many projects that try to embed the harness into their UI. I think that’s completely wrong because it leaves no interface for changing or reasoning about the system.
Totally. I spent a long time on the architecture of this thing, must have redesigned in 10 times to evolve it to this point. It was a really interesting challenge, but seems kind of obvious in hindsight..
Sweet! I was just looking for something like this, this past weekend. Lots of command line stuff, but not much in the way of GUI apps. Excited to check this out! Thanks!
Please ask your LLM Agent to replace all that JavaScript code with SwiftUI, or at least C++ with native graphic libraries for real native GUI performance.
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[ 0.18 ms ] story [ 66.9 ms ] threadIn terms of who might be interested in this: I've watched amazing communities spring up around open agents like Opencode and Pi. People are getting into those because of their extensibility and being model-independant. They're great projects, but like many people I know, I really hate being stuck in the terminal for this kind of tool. I also had some ideas around what an agent's UX could be like if every item in the context was a plugin (with its own custom UI).
So I guess if you're a claude/codex user but want to escape the terminal (and let's face it, their GUI apps are also basically the same UX as a terminal but with nicer fonts), I'm trying to do something different here, would be really keen to hear what the enthusiasts think of it!
I mention all this to say someone like you picking up the desire to build an agentic platform really piques my interest. Right now I am using Opencode for most of the stuff I am trying to do at $WORK and it does a good job on the whole at having sufficient functionality. But the release pace is blistering and it does feel bloated - both in terms of functionality as well as system prompts.
Moreover, I observed all of the same issues you mentioned and certainly wanted more of a tree like experience as well as a more UI forward experience. In order to get the functionality I wanted (good worktree support, sandboxing, etc) I eventually just had to let go of using opencode's UI and embrace the TUI because it was the only thing I could embed into a workflow that let me set up all of that in a sane manner. But problems still remain with the "doom scroll" experience when to your point clearly a tree based experience would be better.
I was ready to just settle with my cobbled together opencode flow and maybe migrate to Pi later on and just accept i'd have to roll my own GUI harness for my nontechnical team members. But seeing what you've put together so far (and knowing it's you who wrote it so I'm probably going to just see a step function level better quality in architecture/efficiency) is going to make me reassess in a good way. Some things that I'll be considering:
- Worktree support
- Sandbox support
- Skills/subagent handling
- Hashline based editing (feel like this is a huge part of why people get better results from pi/omp over opencode/codex/claude code)
- Ability to customize tool calls + have rich embeds
- Web UI support (if i'm building this out for team members, native GUI can get messy and web client is ideal)
- Long horizon efficiency (IE i regularly get to 200k-400k context length sessions; while the model handles it fine, opencode gui will get laggy while the tui keeps chugging along)
For a lot of this stuff, it's less critical that all of this works perfectly out of the box and more critical that the architecture makes it easy to build (ie as with Pi ecosystem). What I'm after long term is something a bit like https://github.com/ColeMurray/background-agents in capability but without the overly tight coupling and design decisions that product has made.
The way I want to get there is to find the right base (whether that's Pi, OpenCode, or your project Juggler) and build the background agent harness layer. Previously it was just Pi and OpenCode and neither was really perfect (GUI story was probably the weakest for both) but it's great that I have another option to diligence that might actually be a better fit for what I'm trying to do.
Excited to see how this develops and kick the tires on it myself. The tree paradigm feels like the killer feature to me; not sure of anything else besides pi/omp that has it.
I've got things like worktree/sandboxing/skills on my TODO list.
I'd heard of hashline based editing - I will dig into that, and it's probably easy to add, though TBH I've not had any hassle with the editing tools so far.
If you get stuck into customising tool calls + their UIs, would love to hear how you get on, as that's one of the big goals for this. I've implemented all the built-in tools as plugins so hopefully it'll cover everything you need.
In terms of long-horizon stuff, yes, I also often hit 3-400k and haven't had any issues, but let me know if you spot anything untoward
I'm a long-term C++ dev, and over 30+ years I've created some successful audio dev tools (JUCE, the Tracktion DAW, the Cmajor DSP language). All of these came from me getting annoyed with something I had to use, and deciding to have a go at my own take on whatever it was.
So Juggler is my attempt at an AI code agent, after spending too many hours loving what the models could do, but hating the CLI experience, and having some opinions of what a better UX might be for this stuff.
Lots more blurb on the website and github, but a quick tech dump which might grab your attention if you're into these things:
A session is a document, not a log file. Each conversation is a Yjs CRDT tree. It can branch into sub-threads (recursively), and you can drill down, backtrack, edit, undo/redo, and inspect everything: tool calls, approvals, and the raw context JSON going to the model, etc. The UI is based around Finder-style Miller columns rather than a big doom-scroll, and is quick to navigate.
Because it's a CRDT behind a local web server, multiple clients can attach P2P to a live session: the native desktop app, a browser tab, or your phone. Run the headless server on the box where the code lives, view it from wherever.
Almost everything is a JavaScript plugin: every item in the context (read/write/bash/etc.), the LLM loop strategies, slash commands, and their UIs. You can inspect, fork, or replace any of them. I don't do much agent customisation myself, but lots of people do, and I'd love to see what they think of with this plugin API.
Go backend, Wails for windowing (no Electron), plain type-checked JS (strict JSDoc), Yjs for the documents. Usual BYOK provider support: Claude (CLI or API), OpenAI/Codex, Gemini, Ollama, OpenRouter, DeepSeek, etc.
The app's AGPLv3; the extension SDK and bundled extensions are Apache-2.0, so extensions have no copyleft strings attached. No signup, no telemetry, trying to make it frictionless for people to try it out..
It's very much a beta, and is a one-man side project. It hasn't yet had a proper kicking from the real world, but I'm confident some people with similar preferences to my own will like it!
https://juggler.studio
On the site you also mention being pretty opinionated about the tools you use / build, which I imagine is part of the reason why you spend more time on this before releasing it. What was your experience using ai to build a larger project with a very specific idea / taste in mind?
Cool project actually, but I noticed the author said "No Electron" as if Electron is synonymous with JavaScript.
My biggest concern about it actually is using Go to render web front-ends in HTML/CSS hahah so I'm not sure "No electron" is selling me.
Got fed up with Zed, Cursor, and the other GUI agentic tools and created a console TUI agent for my own use.
I’m generally happy with my agent and want to keep that, but I do think the UI could be better and this looks like a neat step that way.
I've got my own attempt with OrcaBot (short for orchestration of bots). It's also been a 6 month solo build experiment. I'm not trying to plug.. just that I'm also neck deep in Steve Yegge's Stage 8 AI-assisted coding chart and understand how much thought and effort went into this.
Thinking about where this is all going with talking to AI like fully autonomous employees similar to @Claude can you see a comms app type approach that combines something like slack with your tree/thread structure? It's somewhat orthogonal to your "inspect everything" but could intersect by bringing click through/open in options...
``` LLM error: POST "https://api.deepseek.com/v1/chat/completions": 400 Bad Request {"message":"The `reasoning_content` in the thinking mode must be passed back to the API.","type":"invalid_request_error","param":null,"code":"invalid_request_error"} ```
I'm unsure about putting my Anthropic key in there as I've lost track of what they ban you for or whether that eats money from outside of my subscription.
Oooh, and nicer support for codefences would be good.
~~edit~~
wait, are you doing that? Love JUCE btw
Also when I opened a new session (in the Juggler GUI) at my root where all my projects live, my instinct was to navigate to a project directory first or to have it open there. Not sure how to do this, without changing the global setting for my projects root. That's how I think through claude code/codex coding sessions via the terminal wondering if that mental model is wrong.
I asked which skills it could access, and it turns out it couldn't access any of my global skills already - I thought that part would just work since it accesses my codex subscription. is that something you plan to add.
I've kind of followed the claude model where you have to give it a project folder, and at the moment I've made it so that it has one project/session per window.
I'm pondering whether to let a window contain tabs which each have a different project folder.. this would be easy to do, but feels somehow messier. Opinions welcome on that.
And yeah, I need to make it scan for skills - it's probably an hour's work to implement that, just haven't had time to do it yet! Probably will be done this week
I think that’s the secret to stability. I see too many projects that try to embed the harness into their UI. I think that’s completely wrong because it leaves no interface for changing or reasoning about the system.
Awesome.
> AGPL
Even more awesome.