The linked article (not DHH's article) is the reason why Trump is in power and why right wing extremists are in the rise in Europe.
People are concerned about things that can't even be expressed without getting labeled as fascist or racist. While the concerns may be irrational and without merit, it should be talked and discussed with those people and trying to understand their concerns better. Instead the reaction is "no need to talk with them as they are racists".
And yes, there are many racists out there and they have gotten so much support lately because many people feel heard by them and only them.
Bullshit: the primary reason Trump (and many other right-wingers) are in power is economic. Pushback to this sort of outward white supremacy is, in fact, quite popular.
Merging tech and politics like this is insufferable, and most of us are tired of it.
Omacom foundation is funding good open source dev work. I see nothing wrong with that, and their response was perfectly reasonable.
If you think you can do better, start a competing foundation. Whinging about it just makes you lose all objectivity; now your opinions on actual technology are less relevant as your personal bias is on full display.
I care far far far more about technical excellence and capability when it comes to security critical pieces of software like 1Password and as long as they demonstrate they are capable then I could care less if the founder voted Rasputin and worships Morgoth.
I don't care if the guy who made my hammer is a Pastifarian I care how well the hammer hammers, I don't care if my accountant likes to dress up as a skunk and go to conventions demanding people address him by Sir Reginald Stinkington as long as he does a good job at my taxes.
In this case it seems the concern is that the company donated to an OS project that is headed by a guy whom you don't like....
That just seems like there are plenty of other problems to address in the world.
Would you care if your accountant liked to sit outside a high school and watch teenage girls with binoculars? What if a local shop owner was known to harass female employees? Everybody has a line somewhere.
To push this further to the logical extreme, so you're saying that if the founder was to say they are using their profits to directly fund a group who's sole purpose is to wipe out a particular ethic group that they believe has no right to exist, you'll continue your support because the product is technically excellent?
I think your analogy goes the wrong way. If you buy bananas from a grocery store, along the entire chain of people that were involved in selling you that banana there could be all kinds of sick fucks. You'd never know because you've only met the store clerk and you don't really know that person either. I also don't know why anyone would care, except maybe the manager.
Your situation would describe something like Panda antivirus. They're known for funding scientology. I'd rather not buy from them, but honestly I also don't know if the competitors are worse. Perhaps that Norton guy has flipped swastikas all over his basement and that Kaspersky dude also runs an illicit brothel in south-west Asia on the side. Who knows.
Read the OP comment again. They expressly said they only care that the tool works; nothing else matters to them. So they will buy bananas from a grocery store even if they know that the owner is sourcing those bananas from... "sick fucks" and there's another grocery store across the street, also stocking bananas but sourced from an ethical supplier, but maybe those bananas are usually a bit more ripe than they prefer.
No, that's your interpretation. OP merely gave examples of acceptable (mis)conduct. If you want to know where the boundary sits, go ask OP.
I, for one, also wouldn't know why it matters what the toolmaker voted or to what organisation he donated to. Voting is considered everyones own private business. That's because some people can't stand it if others disagree with their choice, but democracy doesn't work that way. If people are coerced by peer pressure to tell what they voted and it's contentious, they could be inclined to cast a dishonest vote.
For the curious. This is the thing everyone is mad about. [0]
I'll leave it you to decide if advocating that your country deport the homeless people who are publicly defecating in the bushes makes you into actual Hitler (as he's been compared to even in this post).
Yea this was quite a post. There’s a lot of pointing at a post about immigration in England[1], and not that I agree, it wasn’t beyond the pale really. It was standard stuff. This piece is really over the top though and makes it very clear he sees those unlike him as subhuman.
I read it. I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation. I read it as pretty standard right-wing anti-immigration stuff. He even somewhat addresses it and tries to make it clear that he's not saying one race is better than another when he says:
"There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese."
I interpret him to be advocating for less immigration, and maybe some deportations of criminal types. He's allowed to.
Personally, I disagree with him, but we're all adults. We're allowed to disagree and still respect each other. That's the basis of society.
He's not advocating for violence and the hyperbole some people are coming up with is way overblown when compared to what he actually said.
He is an average right-wing adult. Not some rabid fascist who wants death-camps.
By native Brits he means white people born in the UK [1]. People who are not white are not native Brits by his reckoning no matter how many generations their family has been there.
I think that is a lot more extreme than the average UK right-wing adult.
[1] Follow the link in his second paragraph and compare with the numbers he gives in that paragraph.
The prey/predator analogy is what you'd find the der Sturmer nazi paper in the 30s. They also just wanted to deport the Jews, even worked with Zionists to do so in the early years. He can say write that the park camping and bush pooping is bad and that the police/government should do something about it, but he's not just writing that.
Right the words you use matter. You don’t have to frame it as a predator/prey. You can write two different pieces on the two issues. Pairing them up makes it read pretty clear that he’s comparing the two because he wants to kill both of them. The paragraph at the end is sort of the whole game. It requires you to give him a huge benefit of the doubt and trust to not take it as basically calling for camps.
> When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. This isn't hard, it isn't cruel. It's the basic logic of self-preservation.
Jake's blog post points out how David Hamburger Helper is quite skilled at running right up to the line but not crossing it explicitly.
His type is great at using weasel words and dog whistles. The kind of person who thinks he's clever for using hyperlinks in their blog posts to imply the shit they don't have the balls to say outright while going "tee hee I'm so clever for making every mention of Obama's name in my blog post a linking to the wikipedia article about bananas." (David Hamburger Helper didn't actually do this, it's an illustrative example.)
In the US, conservatives pre-you-know-who would say things like "hard working Americans" (ie "not urban blacks on welfare taking public transit and using their food stamps to buy cigarettes and potato chips") or "American family values" (ie "not the gays") and so on.
I assumed you would link the actual articles, but instead you linked articles about his articles. One should start with the original sources at least.
You got a good point, it's not always clear what people try to imply, on the other hand however I have experienced many times that interpretations were not really based on what was actually said/written.
I like the first article in that regard as it is based on quoted sections. It does quite hard framing on what's actually written, but at least it's easier to judge the merit of the argument when it's side by side with the original quote it's based on.
I subscribe to a similar view: I admire things and ideas produced by "worse people" (people that have done worst things in my opinion) than this dude.
It's like the Iced Earth singer drama, or Kevin Spacey. I admire their work, I enjoy their performances, still I think their actions are deplorable and will be happy if they are brought to justice.
> Most importantly my entire family uses it. You know how difficult it was to get them to use a password manager consistently. [...] I asked my parents whether they knew of linux or dhh and they do not. Most people dont. They will ask: why move if its working and no issue with the software itself. [...] Say I find a new one, am I suppose to research what their corporate policy is and who they support. Sorry, I have a life to live.
It's just such an uphill battle to get anyone you care about to use a password manager, getting them to switch it out unless it stops working would probably be ever harder.
You'll have to add some actual reasoning to this, I switched from 1password to locally hosted Bitwarden(Vaultwarden) 6 months ago and I don't miss anything.
Does Bitward have anything like 1Password's "Travel Mode" where you can hide specific vaults, for when crossing less-privacy-friendly borders? Also, is it possible to share credentials with a link/URL? These two features ended up being much more useful than I thought when they first launched, and looking at Bitward I don't see anything like those things.
If it requires me to get my mom to migrate accounts, remove 1password, install bitwarden, write notes about how things worked in 1password and how those specific things are now different, then personally for me this wouldn't be "super easy".
So if some company donated to the Python Software Foundation during during Guidos rein as BDFL, would it be fair to characterize that as "That is a contribution to an individual"?
Was Guido designing Python for only his own sake, during his time as BDFL? As far as I know, he was not doing that.
Additionally, Guido never had exclusive control over the Python Software Foundation, from what I can see.
If Guido was the only person responsible for the Python Software Foundation, its only board member, its only share holder that the board is responsible to, and was designing Python for the use-case of a single person, himself, and he was soliciting donations, then yes I would consider those donations to effectively be a contribution to an individual. Of course I would.
I switched to bitwarden a couple of years ago when 1password locked down on their subscription model. I don't do subscriptions, I prefer paying for upgrades which I need.
Importing was truly super easy, but bitwarden has some kind of latency issue compared to 1p on the same machine and the same browser. 1p was always a smooth and unobtrusive experience, you will be extremely aware of BW's presence.
Since we are talking about a security app, remember that the latency may possibly be evidense of BW doing a job that 1P simply isn't doing. IE intentionally artificially slow and hard decryption steps that you don't want to be efficient.
Why would you want to switch? Did you check the original sources or did you only observe how angry some person on the Internet is and deduced how guilty some other person must be?
Not OP, but personally I spent some time reading DHH's blog posts. They are truly vile. It's entirely reasonable to want to boycott any product that sends money his way.
> As I grow older, I am feeling the need to stand up and try to protect my values.
I agree. I'm tired of repeated bad faith interpretations of anyone who shows even the slightest disagreement with the current political milieu. Opinions that were considered anodyne in 2010 are now "far right, "fascism", and "genocide". This whole approach is grossly undemocratic as it treats half the country as a problem to be solved or worked around. This is far more authoritarian than stuff supported by many of the supposed fascists.
You're not engaging in good faith if you reduce every criticism to "they're not 100% with us". People have explained their views well enough for you to understand where they're coming from.
I have never seen a more obnoxious and pointless effort to politicize and raise awareness about something absolutely nobody cares about. What about worry about things that matter instead? There's more unjust things out there to be mad about than the company behind your password manager supporting a linux distribution associated with a guy you dislike.
*You* don't care about it. Please don't confuse this with no one caring about it. I care a lot, as do most of my peers. If you don't see any pushback to this bullshit in your follows, you are in a bubble.
A guy who promoted murderous genocidal slaughter of humans.
From a couple days ago. That thread went about as it should. Funny watching folks weirdly show up to this one pretend indifference or to try to cast mock back at those who have standards, care, and wish to see a world with some dignity.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49509876
He is a big Tommy Robinson supporter. I care that my money funds people who support bigots, and I'll vote with it, regardless of your ability to comprehend that there are people with differing opinions.
Hacker news has to be some of the worst community when it comes to apologising on behalf of people who have said the shittiest things. If these people said what they said about you, your family or your race, you would have a problem, but he didn't so you don't. Sad.
Ethics are easy to hold until they cost you something : the real test of principle is whether you’re willing to endure the hassle of moving all your passwords to another service. So what are other good options to move ? Keep in mind 1Password is amazing :)
I switched to Proton Pass yesterday, since I’m already a subscriber to Proton Mail. Setup and import from 1PW was easy, took maybe 15 minutes tops. So far it has been working satisfactorily enough.
What devices you use it on? Are you maintaining setups for others like family members too?
When I looked at migrating away my family from 1Password, self-hosted Bitwarden has seen like the best potential setup, yet still not perfect enough to warrant a move as it's a huge hassle to teach people the right way to use password managers. Although maybe if it's similar enough, they might not even notice the difference?
I have a shared vault with my partner, which was easy to transfer and re-share. She’s tech savvy, so no issues there, but it didn’t seem any more complicated to me than setting up 1password was.
For other family members, I have tried for years to get them onto macs, mostly successfully, and so for them I just recommend apple’s builtin thing anyway.
Moved from LastPass because of sketchy behaviour, now we have to do this again. What happens to ethics in our society :)
I love 1Password, how we can share password with link, they have it on all os and browsers; works well with Fastmail and other apps. Does Proton Pass have all these and if they have how is the appX ? Thanks
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[ 0.25 ms ] story [ 7.7 ms ] threadwhispers Are… are we allowed to say that??
But the DHH posts linked in the original post are clearly beyond any kind of 'light'.
https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug...
He's also wildly misogynistic, transphobic...he's your standard white supremacist, far-right fascist.
People are concerned about things that can't even be expressed without getting labeled as fascist or racist. While the concerns may be irrational and without merit, it should be talked and discussed with those people and trying to understand their concerns better. Instead the reaction is "no need to talk with them as they are racists".
And yes, there are many racists out there and they have gotten so much support lately because many people feel heard by them and only them.
I am not the OP, but I am somebody who decides what software we use org-wide in a company, and this sort of thing matters to me.
Huh? What did I miss?
Omacom foundation is funding good open source dev work. I see nothing wrong with that, and their response was perfectly reasonable.
If you think you can do better, start a competing foundation. Whinging about it just makes you lose all objectivity; now your opinions on actual technology are less relevant as your personal bias is on full display.
I don't care if the guy who made my hammer is a Pastifarian I care how well the hammer hammers, I don't care if my accountant likes to dress up as a skunk and go to conventions demanding people address him by Sir Reginald Stinkington as long as he does a good job at my taxes.
In this case it seems the concern is that the company donated to an OS project that is headed by a guy whom you don't like.... That just seems like there are plenty of other problems to address in the world.
Your situation would describe something like Panda antivirus. They're known for funding scientology. I'd rather not buy from them, but honestly I also don't know if the competitors are worse. Perhaps that Norton guy has flipped swastikas all over his basement and that Kaspersky dude also runs an illicit brothel in south-west Asia on the side. Who knows.
I, for one, also wouldn't know why it matters what the toolmaker voted or to what organisation he donated to. Voting is considered everyones own private business. That's because some people can't stand it if others disagree with their choice, but democracy doesn't work that way. If people are coerced by peer pressure to tell what they voted and it's contentious, they could be inclined to cast a dishonest vote.
I'll leave it you to decide if advocating that your country deport the homeless people who are publicly defecating in the bushes makes you into actual Hitler (as he's been compared to even in this post).
[0] https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a
1: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
"There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese."
I interpret him to be advocating for less immigration, and maybe some deportations of criminal types. He's allowed to.
Personally, I disagree with him, but we're all adults. We're allowed to disagree and still respect each other. That's the basis of society.
He's not advocating for violence and the hyperbole some people are coming up with is way overblown when compared to what he actually said.
He is an average right-wing adult. Not some rabid fascist who wants death-camps.
I think that is a lot more extreme than the average UK right-wing adult.
[1] Follow the link in his second paragraph and compare with the numbers he gives in that paragraph.
> When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. This isn't hard, it isn't cruel. It's the basic logic of self-preservation.
https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug...
https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro...
Jake's blog post points out how David Hamburger Helper is quite skilled at running right up to the line but not crossing it explicitly.
His type is great at using weasel words and dog whistles. The kind of person who thinks he's clever for using hyperlinks in their blog posts to imply the shit they don't have the balls to say outright while going "tee hee I'm so clever for making every mention of Obama's name in my blog post a linking to the wikipedia article about bananas." (David Hamburger Helper didn't actually do this, it's an illustrative example.)
In the US, conservatives pre-you-know-who would say things like "hard working Americans" (ie "not urban blacks on welfare taking public transit and using their food stamps to buy cigarettes and potato chips") or "American family values" (ie "not the gays") and so on.
You got a good point, it's not always clear what people try to imply, on the other hand however I have experienced many times that interpretations were not really based on what was actually said/written.
I like the first article in that regard as it is based on quoted sections. It does quite hard framing on what's actually written, but at least it's easier to judge the merit of the argument when it's side by side with the original quote it's based on.
Sure RoR is nice, and he's a asshole. Go ahead and use RoR, and don't admire him or value his deep thoughts in any other way.
It's like the Iced Earth singer drama, or Kevin Spacey. I admire their work, I enjoy their performances, still I think their actions are deplorable and will be happy if they are brought to justice.
I also don't think that your portrayal of the text is accurate.
> Most importantly my entire family uses it. You know how difficult it was to get them to use a password manager consistently. [...] I asked my parents whether they knew of linux or dhh and they do not. Most people dont. They will ask: why move if its working and no issue with the software itself. [...] Say I find a new one, am I suppose to research what their corporate policy is and who they support. Sorry, I have a life to live.
It's just such an uphill battle to get anyone you care about to use a password manager, getting them to switch it out unless it stops working would probably be ever harder.
it apparently imports the password vaults painlessly.
i’ll check it out tonight and if it is that easy, it’ll be my new rec for people.
If it requires me to get my mom to migrate accounts, remove 1password, install bitwarden, write notes about how things worked in 1password and how those specific things are now different, then personally for me this wouldn't be "super easy".
However, from DHH:
> Before this can be an amazing system for everyone, it first has to be an amazing system for me, personally.
By DHH's own words, all money currently is 100% spent on DHH's desires. That is a contribution to an individual.
Additionally, Guido never had exclusive control over the Python Software Foundation, from what I can see.
If Guido was the only person responsible for the Python Software Foundation, its only board member, its only share holder that the board is responsible to, and was designing Python for the use-case of a single person, himself, and he was soliciting donations, then yes I would consider those donations to effectively be a contribution to an individual. Of course I would.
apparently bitwarden can import data vaults super easily from 1passwd.
guess i’ll be recommending clients to bitwarden from here.
Importing was truly super easy, but bitwarden has some kind of latency issue compared to 1p on the same machine and the same browser. 1p was always a smooth and unobtrusive experience, you will be extremely aware of BW's presence.
I agree. I'm tired of repeated bad faith interpretations of anyone who shows even the slightest disagreement with the current political milieu. Opinions that were considered anodyne in 2010 are now "far right, "fascism", and "genocide". This whole approach is grossly undemocratic as it treats half the country as a problem to be solved or worked around. This is far more authoritarian than stuff supported by many of the supposed fascists.
For extremists, nothing is more dangerous than a middle ground, a thoughtful opinion or a slight deviation from their opinion.
From a couple days ago. That thread went about as it should. Funny watching folks weirdly show up to this one pretend indifference or to try to cast mock back at those who have standards, care, and wish to see a world with some dignity. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49509876
When I looked at migrating away my family from 1Password, self-hosted Bitwarden has seen like the best potential setup, yet still not perfect enough to warrant a move as it's a huge hassle to teach people the right way to use password managers. Although maybe if it's similar enough, they might not even notice the difference?
I have a shared vault with my partner, which was easy to transfer and re-share. She’s tech savvy, so no issues there, but it didn’t seem any more complicated to me than setting up 1password was.
For other family members, I have tried for years to get them onto macs, mostly successfully, and so for them I just recommend apple’s builtin thing anyway.