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Hello HN,

It started as an experiment: can Claude play chess properly if it uses vision instead of PGN notation? Somehow it can.

The next experiment was to see whether Claude + Stockfish could explain a game. Somehow it can too.

A few sessions later, I had a system that takes my live audio notes (or text, for that matter) and a vague instruction like "analyze my last lichess game", and gives me a commented video of the game. The result is not perfect and it takes time to deliver (an hour or so), but for me it is a much more pleasant and memorable experience than clicking around Stockfish branches. It burns tokens, so make sure you have enough quota. From the session logs, the last analyzed game would have cost around $15 at API prices.

The fact that it reflects on my own thinking during the game makes it interesting from a teaching point of view, so I thought it was worth sharing.

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IMTDb
I am very interested in this, but it looks like the video link gives 404
Madmallard
"The result is not perfect" as LLMs are

"The fact that it reflects on my own thinking during the game makes it interesting from a teaching point of view, so I thought it was worth sharing." As AI the premium sycophantic scammer does

"but for me it is a much more pleasant and memorable experience than clicking around Stockfish branches"

And SO much less effective than doing the harder, more tedious feeling work

brumar
The jury is out for the effectiveness, it's hard to debate this subject. From my cognitive background I know very well how important the generative effect is for learning. Maybe I'll add features that leverage generative/testing effect one day. Anyway, clicking on stockfish branches can be quite a passive activity too if done badly. I don't know how to do that well to be honest. My goal is often to just to understand what I missed, full stop.

For the sycophancy, I can say I did not feel that at all. When stockfish says your move suck, claude would have a hard time saying the opposite (no "you are absolutely right" when I am not).

WoodenChair
Just a note that this is not novel. Automatic analysis of chess games built on traditional engines has existed for a long time. Without using stockfish as a sidekick, this wouldn’t be interesting because of the poor play of LLMs, however having an LLM enhance the commentary is interesting and I suspect has already been done by chess.com for years.
brumar
This what I think too. I also think there are much more refined approaches than the one I tried here. From a cursory look, I saw there are both scientific litterature on the subject of mixing llms and tools like stockfish and some dedicated closed platforms that put that into action.

Let's make clear that I did not spend much time on this project. Ideally I would have tried to put other models into the mix, like maybe Maia to better see the game from a "real player" eyes and pinpoint where expected move and stockfish moves differ.

Anyway, to me, it's good enough to be usable and shared.

kuboble
I'm an ok chess player (roughly OP level) and slightly more experienced claude code user.

I tried to use claude to analyze my games using stockfish - this is not a problem claude is good at.

I spent few hours (however admittedly around opus 4.8) with claude on this and it was unable to use stockfish in any useful way.

I think if the skill created by OP works then it's a real contribution. I'll give it a try.

brumar
Thanks for trying it out! I'd be happy to see how it goes for you and compare our implementation notes if the analysis you got is not too bad.
nonethewiser
There is a massive gap between computer analysis and teaching though. And its larger the less you know about chess.

Also dont forget that stockfish and agents are not alternatives. An agent can use stockfish to help players learn.

qwend
How does it work? Does it just use stockfish under the hood? I just remember the times when I tried to use an AI model to play chess and half of the time it either hung a piece or made an illegal move.
porridgeraisin
The elo of opus 5 models is 1300 or so. I wouldn't take chess lessons from a 1300.
brumar
That was exactly my estimation when I played "raw" against Opus. But Opus with stockfish as a tool and much time available can, from what I experienced, generate good comments.
porridgeraisin
Well yeah, of course. But also, analysing with stockfish is _also_ useless, unless you're a super GM.
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kokoe
You could also download my free chess app that hooks up to Claude for real time game analysis or chat about the game. https://pwalessi.itch.io/chess-buddy
Simpliplant
Looks really cool, would love to try it but I'm on Mac so would appreciate Mac version.
kokoe
I don’t have a Mac handy but I’ll see if I can build for Mac in Godot without a Mac
brumar
Thanks for sharing! So you gave stockfish to Claude too? Did you try other techniques?
kokoe
Yeah I give the board position and stockfish’s analysis to Claude. The opening name too.
pelican0
Very cool work!

Did you write the skills (text, and code) all by hand, or are those prompt outputs?

brumar
Not by hand, no, the code was generated with claude code. The readme too, but with some extra efforts to avoid the awful ai generated readme.

It took multiple sessions to get to this result. At first I only generated annotated pgns and standalone html page inspired by lichess. The video generation was the cherry on top, it took few iterations too to fix issues and add markers and arrows. I only use consume the generated video these days, for the moment.

pelican0
Makes sense, good use of the tools at hand. And the SKILL.md files, also generated similarly?
NietTim
Neat! I've been slopping together various games to have AI play them, balatro, poker, blackjack, it's just so fun. Was just thinking about chess, wondering if, if I gave them an unrestricted sandbox, they'd start using existing solvers or not. They're surprisingly good at doing cardcounting, by the way.
yesitcan
I find it funny that a video game (Balatro) is lumped with poker and blackjack.
NietTim
It is :) Mostly because it's easy to interface with!
TZubiri
Writing skills files like this one don't seem to be the future of computing or AI, not by the quality, nor by the cost (15$ per usage?).

Also, you seem to have written the actual SKILL.md prompts themselves with AI? I don't know what to say that's insane, at least write the prompts? This idea of asking chatgpt to write the prompts for you is beyond lazy. Then presenting it as a project or tool of value to share to others is delusional.

Sorry for being harsh

brumar
No need to apologize. I like reading HN for comments that don't beat around the bush.

It's true that it's costly. I never tried to optimize it. In a way I feel this hacky project doesn't deserve its place on the front page. It's just me hacking around on Claude Code to get something I like. Take it as a proof of concept if you will. I'd be happy to see lighter alternatives.

> Then presenting it as a project or tool of value to share to others is delusional

Here I see a gap in your reasoning. Lazy and costly, sure. But useless, I'm not so sure. In my world, a vibecoded tool can be useful enough to be shared, despite the risks. Claude Code itself is almost entirely written by Claude, according to its creator. Yet I use it every day.

cdelsolar
That’s kind of ridiculous, literally all SKILL.md files are almost entirely AI written.
dverlaeckt80
As a chess player I feel this is fascinating although there are plenty of analysis options already on lichess on chess.com. Still, sometimes it is more about learning and curiosity. Well done.
michaelastreiko
Nice use of a skill for something concrete. I've been happier with AI helpers that spit out a short, checkable report than ones that try to be a whole coach.
brausepulver
Does this give sensible analysis if you don't record your thinking out loud?

I've been using Elogram (https://elogram.gg/, made by a friend), which gives interpretability by showing how difficulty of a position changes with elo.

brumar
No it does not help the quality of the analysis from what I saw, but it makes the analysis much more interesting, because it can challenge my wrong judgement and answer the questions that I asked myself out loud.

Very interesting project, is Maia used in this platform?

brausepulver
It's a custom model that's on par with Maia 3 in terms of policy but estimates a lot more than that (e.g. difficulty).
skyfantom
You say chess and I’m here to shamelessly promote my “coin chess” version:)

https://chesspoly.com/

cronin101
This needs some balancing, the fact you can buy a bishop on turn 1 and check their king to disrupt their economy is overpowered
rigrassm
Yeah, just have it a go and it's way too easy to grab a bishop from the start and just use checks to get them in a bad spot
skyfantom
Thanks for playing both. Did you by chance try to play vs computer on medium or hard level?

Is not it quite easy to defend against this attack simply putting a pawn before kind?

jeremyjh
You only need to spend a couple of minutes talking to an LLM about chess to realize it has no real understanding of the game. It will produce reasonable sounding explanations for things that are completely wrong. It will make illegal moves. It will hallucinate pieces on squares even when the entire PGN is in the context. There are no prompts you can give it to fix this. I don't really understand how you could create this skill without noticing this.
jeremyjh
You only need to spend a couple of minutes talking to an LLM about chess to realize it has no understanding of the game. It will produce reasonable sounding explanations for things that are completely wrong. It will make illegal moves. It will hallucinate pieces on squares even when the entire PGN is in the context. There are no prompts you can give it to fix this. I don't really understand how you could create this skill without noticing this.
Bootvis
Already a year ago I vibe coded Babelfish: https://github.com/bobjansen/Babelfish

It integrates an LLM of your choice with StockFish to analyze games. Back then, the results weren't very good and I abandoned the project but a lot has changed (the LLM's got better and I did too) so maybe it is time to take another stab at it.

jeremyjh
LLMs have gotten better at things they've been heavily post-trained for; its really post-training that has gotten better.
Bootvis
The early GPTs were supposedly reasonable at chess but it indeed is not a very useful skill to have for an LLM (Elo 1800 IIRC) which is stronger than most players and for them it could be a useful tool.

Even at higher levels, I think there could be use. The Dvoretsky example on my GitHub is real but it’s not a guarantee you get it and it could just be reiterating from training. What didn’t work for me was forcing it to look at lines in detail, but maybe with larger context and better engineering, you can get the LLM to extract themes from the search tree. With compare and contrast, it could maybe figure out why a move works in one variant and not in another and produce a coherent explanation of this nuance.

I’m not trying this yet because it would take a lot of tokens and I don’t have the time.

jeremyjh
1800 was ChessGPT, it was post-trained on chess.
cdelsolar
I have an LLM explainer for my scrabble AI Macondo. It’s actually pretty decent. The prompt contains a lot of data straight from the Monte Carlo simulations and other analyses. So it’s not just hallucinating things.

This skill is a great idea. I’ve been trying to figure out how to integrate this with Woogles.io for automatic game analysis.

skippr
How do you keep game data out of the context window?
brumar
not sure I understand your question, but subagents are used extensively to avoid a large main context window.
daft_pink
doesn't using vision instead of notation burn tokens?