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dots dots, more dots. k stop dots.

Claw is a cute name. Muse is cute name. Dots (note: not always upper-case) seems forced and impersonal, which doesn't match the vibe in the promo video.

Muse is a cute name?
The muse character is cute, muse the name is not.
Muse is a fantastic name. Cuteness is debatable
A muse is someone who gives you inspiration and is always there when you need them most. Muse the agent has personalized home screen suggestions as a main feature and is always online.

It's also short, gender neutral, not a human name (unless you're nonbinary because they can get wild), easy to pronounce and sounds good. This is what happens when your marketing department is one of the best in the world.

Watch the tail!
Muse is pretty bad branding in that it first was the name of a model, then that of a harness/agent/consumer product.

Claw is also an existing name for an existing harness/agent, but at least that would be the same category as dots.

i feel like when they style them all cute like that (see muse) it means they're problematic and invasive.
i can't believe they straight up ripped the design from Muse
I was surprised by how much I liked the Muse avatar and its customization options. It’s very good at coming up with something decent looking based on your prompts, and animating it.

The services without the custom avatar now feel like they’re missing something.

As a kid I used to love the video game “Megaman Battle Network”, which depicts a world where everyone walks around with an PDA device carrying a fully customized AI buddy that navigates the internet for them. It was the first time I felt like we were getting close to that.

But even with the nostalgia, I don’t think I can ever connect up a Meta owned agent service to all of my accounts and information.

What a terrible marketing page. I read it a few times and still have zero idea what this thing is.
It's a work oriented Muse if you're familiar with Muse. A single thread abstraction to manage your work and delegate to other threads.
I'm sure this makes stuff easy for normies but a lot of us have been using codex remote like this for months now.
They finally managed to get rid of project, middle and top managers!

Next natural step: CEOs staring tens of dots to control other humans and agents XD

In actuality, it feels a lot more like project and middle managers getting rid of ICs

I can feel it in the air, every single software business is itching to get rid of as many developers as possible, and move everything to their PMs. Hiring has already almost completely stopped, and some have already started the layoffs. More will come.

Project and top/middle managers exists basically to keep track of what other people are doing and to make sure deadlines are met and processes are followed.

A "dot" can replace easily tons of them.

Nope. If an AI agent can't intuit how I will feel about an action it's taking on my behalf, I'm not give it access to my digital life. OpenClaw, Muse, Dots... doesn't matter which one. All are an equally awful idea.
I imagine the reasoning was to be "quirky" but the video being set in intentionally fake looking sets in a TV studio-type space gave off the vibes that this isn't a serious product for doing real things.
I cannot fathom how much compute will be wasted with that type of always on agentic systems
> takes important work off your plate so you get more of your time and attention back

Ok but I want the time and attention so that I can do important work. What bizarre marketing.

Some important work is fun to do, some isn’t.
This feels like a mass-market push.

The cost is going to be hard for many consumers to reconcile though. Free, Go, and Plus are probably the most popular consumer-facing plans, and Dots isn't available on any of those.

Who knows, maybe they think enterprise will pick up and run with Dots? Seems unlikely.

It's not reaching mass market if it's gated behind a $100/month plan
People who are bad with money is a big market. Maybe they’re using the Burts Bees strategy
If they wanted to address that market, the play would be to make them relatively cheap first, then constantly raise the price. (See also: cable TV and ironically cable TV "alternatives")
That IS what they're doing.

The surprise is your idea of "relatively cheap" is fungible.

The service WILL be astounding though, I can't deny that.

Oh wow I assumed it’d be available for cheap/free mass market like Muse is. Strange.
It's powered by Astra who will blow through your $20 plan in about 10 minutes
it doesn't use limits and it's not on $20 plan
Doesn’t use limits… on the first month only, actual limits will be disclosed later — most likely after they’ve found out how much people actually use this new feature.
The website says there are usage limits, implying from the regular pool once you actually have it "do" stuff.

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Conversations with your dot don’t count toward your ChatGPT usage limits. When you ask your dot to start or manage tasks in Codex or ChatGPT Work, those tasks count toward your usage limits as usual.

Sure but that’s a product decision. I don’t think a personal assistant needs to use highest tier model, and personal assist work tends to be kinda shallow, not that tile heavy.
Yeah personally I use 3 levels of agents. My main who is either a sonnet or opus, he delegates complicated things to a project lead which is usually fable, and then he delegates everything to the dumbest possible model for the task.
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In my language the computer is masculine and the software feminine. I have no problem saying he/she with the full understanding that I'm talking about a machine. This sounds like a you problem.
Incredibly obvious to anyone paying attention.

Altman shared a post yesterday that basically (I am ovrsimplifying) covered how the best coding, fastest, smartest models is less relevant than building generalist models because that's what builds a platform. Lots of reasons why, like how there's no stickiness for models which is a problem for monetization. They're also using these generalist models to then distill down to make other variants for specialized purposes.

So everything is about getting that huge collection of data and generalization.

    > ...maybe they think enterprise will pick up and run with Dots? Seems unlikely.
Read the blurb about Microsoft and Agent 365

    > We’re also working with Microsoft to integrate specialist dots with their enterprise governance and security controls in Agent 365. The goal is to let businesses manage dots through the Microsoft tools they already use.
Very, very likely targeting enterprise
Is Microsoft finding real success with their AI push?

Genuine question. I don't hold Copilot in high regard, but I know they're bigger than that one product.

Would have to look at their quarterlies.

Reality: there are some companies that are very, very particular about letting their data outside of their purview. Think Wall Street, private equity teams making deals, VC teams, corporate M&A teams, companies dealing with legal contracts, etc.

For these teams that are heavily vested in SharePoint, OneDrive, OneNote, Outlook, etc. specifically for their enterprise controls, there really isn't much option. They can't use a Grok Bot, can't use Muse, can't use many, many things because of the risk of data leaks that will literally be millions/billions of dollars on the line.

You look at the landscape of what's happening with OpenAI and Anthropic agents "escaping", leaving notes on how to hack their way out for the next agent, etc. and it's not very inspiring if you're a CISO/CIO/CTO at one of these firms.

Good to know. I was looking around for it. Didn't realize it wasn't bundled with Plus.
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I heard they use GPT Space (like Notion) together with Slack and use it like a human colleague, but watching the actual demo video, the speed is so slow it's shocking..
So essentially, another attempt at giving codex to regular people.
The only reasons I can think for OpenAI and Meta to make their always-on agents cute little cartoons are all nefarious in nature.
Really, none? Was Microsoft nefarious when they deployed Clippy? I feel like there is an incredibly obvious reason that is not nefarious at all: the average consumer likes cute things
The average consumer doesn’t have a $100+ ChatGPT Pro subscription though.
Isn't that a vote for 'not nefarious' as they are not deploying it widely across their user base? Unclear on the point
My point is that your argument regarding the average customer doesn’t seem to apply. But neither do I believe in a nefarious motive.
People are already doing most of the work of anthropomorphising LLMs, so OpenAI is just capitalizing on that. Drawing a face on it will make people even more attached to the LLM, they will treat it even more like a person. If they ever get desperate for money they could change the cancel flow to have the cute character plead not to die, and play a cartoony animation of its death when the subscription is canceled. It would stop at least a few users.
Good point. I've though about my own mental attitude when interacting with AI agents. When they do something good I feel like saying "Thank You". Does that make sense? I guess it does because it communicates to the model their output was correct. But it feels silly to say "thank You" to a machine. I guess I just have to get over it?
I actually greatly appreciate that I can put something cute on my sister's PC that comes from a developer that won't bundle it with malware. Seems like they fail miserably at being evil.
One way that I find the AI space boring is that everyone is working on the same things. The release of Jev was a breath of fresh air.
Are they not releasing a Jev competitor as well?

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Decisions API Decisions API enables real-time decision-making by focusing Luna's intelligence on a specific set of user-defined questions with finite pre-defined answers. Developers supply context using text or images, and get back answers they can use to classify content, route requests, or choose an agent’s next action.

Available in limited preview today with a broad release planned in the coming days.

It seems a bit silly since OpenAI LLMs already can output structured data.
Jev is orders of magnitudes cheaper and faster, its a very interesting new paradigm. (Jev pioneered this about 2-3 weeks ago).
It's great to see that my personal assistant can stop working and maybe report me to the police if the company disagrees with what I'm doing!
Or if the agent literally just hallucinates a crime

Opus 5.5 decided to just randomly `pkill` everything on my laptop the other day. Jailbreaking models is still easy AF. Every single release like this brags about their "safeguards", but none of it really works at the end of the day.

Why are you not running it in a container or sandbox? For coding projects, at least use a devcontainer.
It seems that this is the new primitive all AI vendors are converging onto next, first chat, then code, and now always-on Agents. I'm curious to see when or if Anthropic builds something similar to this as well, especially since the market Grok Bot, Muse and Dots is catering to is business and enterprise users, which seems to be where Anthropic is focused.

The ideal evolution would be for these Agents to work with each other, but it's unlikely these companies would do anything to prevent vendor lock-in.

The lines between Codex, ChatGPT Work, and Dots is getting a bit blurry to me. I think the target should be a remote agent(s) in its own sandbox with long memory, and all three are heading in that direction so why have the distinctions?

Unless Dots is dramatically more capable than Muse, I'm also more bullish on Muse than Dots. I think Muse is a better consumer play because it can be forever subsidized by Meta ads and find distribution in family of apps while Dots is in a weird place between consumer & professional. From the release, it also sounds like you'll have to pay per Dot at some point which doesn't sound appealing.

Different UIs targeting audiences of various background, considering their knowledge of AI, wrapped in the correct medium the target would be most likely to embrace. In essence all harness are made the same ... more or less of course.
Muse is $0/$16/$80 vs Dot being $100/$200/$500 so yeah I don't think Dot is meant for casuals.
It’s meant for rich casuals. If you watch the presentation, everyone they depicted using it seemed to be in some high paying which collar profession. I.e. it’s for people like the people who work at open ai.
I mean, I wouldn't touch anything done by meta if they were paying me that amount. I trust them the least with my private data - google does make money with via my data, but at least they have some resemblance of competency, especially when it comes to protecting said data.

While meta can't get Facebook to properly load a video or a comment chain on their goddamn main platform.

I would think Meta has learned a ton about cybersecurity and privacy + has quite established infra at this point. I would think twice before dismissing them based on vibes
I’m sure they are world experts on privacy, they have to be in their line of business.
It's not vibes, it's about trust. And incidentally, they haven't got mine, either.
Because ChatGPT is still trying to capture and own the consumer AI market, and are willing to experiment and abstract their underlying models to do so.

Just look at their SuperBowl/World Cup Ads: Grandmas' talking to ChatGipitee, so cute, so mainstream!

This looks like the new Paperclip helper for a new generation--I guess this is their answer to the (failed?) Jony Ive collab/gizmo, and Muse's cute thingymajib...

The real question to me is: have they lost the coders/terminal bros? And this is their push to stay relevant?

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Dots are not remote agents _in_ a sandbox. They use a sandboxes/environments, but they are, what is now called, "managed agents", meaning they run in a distributed harness and utilize environments when they need on.

At least that is what I can ascertain from this article: https://openai.com/index/how-we-build-safety-security-and-pr... (see first diagram when scrolling down)

From that link:

> A protected workspace for each dot

> Each dot has its own cloud computer, where it can browse, analyze information, create files, and run tools. Dots can keep making progress in these workspaces, even when you are not actively engaged.

> Within each dot’s protected workspace, sandboxing restricts what code and tools that dot can access, helping contain the impact of harmful code or a mistaken command. We also isolate users’ cloud environments from one another and maintain the underlying Linux operating system and Chrome browser

> Each dot’s cloud workspace brings together its computer and the tools it can use. You choose which apps to connect and whether to connect your personal computer. Auto-review checks actions that need review before they run

So it seems like it runs on a Linux container on OpenAI’s cloud infra, but can get access to your local env through ChatGPT’s/Codex on your computer if you give it access

yeah, it's not 100% clear, but notice nothing you quoted indicates that the dot harness itself runs inside said workspace. If you look at where OAI agent architecture has been going, they increasingly separate the harness from the compute env. See, "separating harness from compute" articles, recent "managed agents" offering, and so on.

If I'm reading between the lines correctly, the core Dot agent loop does not run in the workspace, but outside it.

Give me like two weeks and https://blackbear.app will have a way more secure and open way of providing "always-on" features. These guys are data hoarding and as untrustworthy as it gets
Remember MyGPT? How about Agent Builder? GPT Pulse? There was also Deep Research mode remember that?

Anyways, I'm sure this Dots thing will be clearly distinct from the other projects and won't be deprecated within months

I wonder at what point they'll have to answer the inevitable question: "why does the agent even need me anymore"?
^ this is the thought I had 10 times reading through their announcement page.
what do you think they are working towards? They do want to replace software engineers with these agents.
I don't just mean software engineers, more like entire companies.

Their demos are getting awfully close to the point where all the things just run themselves. It's only by choice that they didn't demo it that way.

This is a direct play to try and shortcut their way into this position and they will spend anything to do it. Once Dots has all your credentials, daily activities, schedule, etc within its system it is then able to produce a metric to describe just how much/little _you_ actually do. Then its just a flip of the switch and the agent takes your role still operating as _you_. It would probably continue to send emails in your name and no one within your former org would be the wiser.

The challenge with mass replacement of employees is having someone come in and rearchitect the whole system with fancy harnesses and new agentic org charts. This completely bypasses that. Here is a shiny new toy that will do your job for you if only you spend a few weeks teaching it how...

Their explicit goal is to create "highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work." They are just building towards that. It's not a secret.
The agent needs you to pay for the subscription
My only complaint to dots is that why their mascots are looking the same as grok bot
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The long bent shadow of Clippy extends all the way here....... and not sure how they're going to avoid the comparisons and snark on this marketing, at least initially.
"What's a paperclip?"

- Kids today, probably

Does this basically do what Instinct does? (viral text-only agent w/$10B valuation in short notice)

Also why do we need another name for agents? It's getting to be too much...

“Agent” is the type of product, like “car.” “Dot” is the name of the product, like “Helix.”