A surprisingly large cohort of tech people are completely fine with fascism. I suppose it "technically" solves a lot of perceived problems in society, so it appeals to many people who severally lack in empathy or critical thinking.
And then people like you support Palestinian groups and others like Hezbollah starting wars of choice against Israel. And invariably they lose those wars and it's the Palestinians that suffer the most. And then that is used as a justification do doing it yet again.
I support not decimating tens of thousands of innocents, raiding their homes, bombing their cities, et cetera.
I guess you are the kind of person that when someone says "I don't like the iphone" jumps up and says "well, Samsung sucks!", the all white or black kinda guy?
But you do support that because you support wars of choice that directly lead to that. And your justification amounts to nothing but a worthless ethnonational ideal.
> In the town of Abu Falah, near Ramallah, at least 80 settlers, some of whom were carrying firearms or clubs, gathered to stop Palestinians from harvesting their olives, using slingshots to hurl rocks at the farmers in view of Israeli military vehicles. When some of the Palestinians then picked up rocks to defend themselves, the Israeli military fired teargas in their direction.
This has become beyond ridiculous.
I have personally gone from full support for Israel
to now not even supporting Israel's right to exist.
And I can't be the only one.
I feel sorry for the (clearly increasingly rare) "normal" people of Israel
but they will soon need to move out of Israel to not be bundled in with the crazies.
It always was, but things are now coming to light because their war crimes are being broadcast live for everyone to see from first person point of view.
Thank you for siding with the right side of history.
I get that this is a hot take, but where are the "normal" people of Israel going to move to exactly? Remind me which group of countries are offering to take in 10 million immigrants?
Fair enough, so make it 4 or 5 million or whatever number seems reasonable, but I would still like to know which countries are going to accept these millions of people.
Large numbers of Israeli Jews are currently settling Cyprus and Argentina. Zionist President Milei even changed the law to allow private ownership of public land in Patagonia, if the lands had burned. The Israeli invaders then ensured that Patagonia is on fire. Not sure what is happening with the indigenous (pre-Columbian) population that resides in Patagonia. Cypriots are unhappy with the influx.
Internal polling in Israel had percentage of Israeli Jews who support the genocide and mass targeted murder of children as high as 98%, and 85% Of Israeli Jews want more brutality and cruelty. Even the internal polls showing the lowest percentage of support for the genocide show support by Israeli Jews greater than 90%.
The whole purpose of Israel existing is to have a western-adjacent country wedged in the middle of Arab area, so that military missions can be carried out from/by Israel. As much as I hate how Israelis behave, Israel needs to exist until Arab countries become developed democracies - so far, not a single one fulfills this criterion.
> Israel needs to exist until Arab countries become developed democracies
A country engaged in genocide needs to exist for your personal benefit? To carry out an obviously failed dream which was sold to the masses as the only viable option to be "safe" from extreme regimes and beliefs?
The West created and supported terrible individuals and dictatorships in the entire region, publicizing them to craft false narratives as a means of controlling the masses, despite it giving these people more power and connections. This fueled instability and showed how to become an effective enemy. It's beyond irony that the most dangerous of these threats have roots from direct funding and weapons from the USA/West, while groups and civilians became more organized and extremist directly in response to Western interference over decades. The evidence is clear, modern "wars" are driven by vain political "optics" and individual enrichment. You can't think outside the narrative and rhetoric of these systems and then conclude external action is going to make you safe.
We covertly and overtly mess with their lives, country systems, and leadership. We fund terrorists, criminals, and mercenaries to get our desired result. We invade and fight however we please, insert whoever will benefit us, then retreat on a whim, after destroying the infrastructure and systems of democratic response except for protecting access to what we can take (oil), without a plan for the country or citizens. We leave it to fester, forget the country exists, then later wonder why a country in shock and decline ends up being controlled by violent groups. We then pretend to wonder why the hardened citizens who fought for/with/adjacent/by-proxy for us and lost everything (loved ones, community, home, sense of belonging and safety) suddenly become radicalized. Then we use that as an excuse to start interfering again, or even wipe them out, on repeat. We also respond far harsher to any perceived interference with both hard and soft-power, such as killing civilians (including children), trapped in a country now run by these terrorizing dictators that we either directly supported, trained, or influenced.
By crazy mental gymnastics, many people then believe the conclusion to this is we are clearly superior beings living in the optimal societal system, ignoring the fact that these are humans just like us doing very predictable human things. This gets extended to an extreme belief that we must (and can, and have the right to) eradicate entire groups of people or races and/or re-educate to our way of living. The hyper-rationalizations of our actions to arrive at such flawed logic appears to be a symptom of the system which has been capitalized on for decades; such a complex and abstract atomized society forces us to find a coherent internal narrative that feels safe, aligned, and connected to (the hyper-real) external reality.
Closer to home, our own citizens died in failed wars based on lies, meddling, false-flag operations, scaremongering, and fearful rhetoric. Yet we still believe what we see and fail to question how a lifetime of this leaves us brainwashed into unquestionably feeling superior. It requires active effort to critically question our beliefs in such a system. Those that can't cope watch our own politics and media become extreme, hateful, doomer rhetoric, to be angered into attacking people in our own countries for being slightly different, family even. It's an unnaturally inflated feeling, engineered to heighten the primal fears of anything "other" than what's declared to be correct.
We aren't led by example and we don't have good discussions. Education is to generate workers and self-autonomy, not to provide enlightenment or for personal development. Many never play fair and are praised for it. The past is somehow simultaneously irrelevant and yet paramount, so we are trapped in a loop of exploitation which sucks the life out of culture. We have no vi...
We keep repeating that Gaza has exposed the facade of "human/women's/children's rights" that america loves to tout. Many of us knew it for a long time, but some people actually believed the nonsense that was spewed. Now, the masks have now fallen, and people are waking up.
Wow, literally out of words to appreciate for summing up the status of life. I've rarely read long comments at least in recent times, but this was totally worth it. Thanks!
There is certain art and elegance in the skill of expressing yourself in succinct, yet meaningful manner. Which is why I won't respond to your comment, but rather the summary that ChatGPT generated:
Life ain't perfect and it's never going to be. Just because someone has to choose between two evils it doesn't make them an evil person - the hippie idea "why don't we just all sit and join our hands around a camfire" simply doesn't work. So the next best thing is that I need to protect myself and the people dear to me from the externalities of, let me quote the most famous politician of 21st century, shithole countries.
In the world of jungle rules, might means right. Wherever has the bigger guns win. Period. Your voices means nothing. I learnt that decades ago. Sometime, just sway with the winds. Fortunes do change from decades to centuries. Superheroes dont exist. Justice? It is for the rich with bigger guns.
> This has become beyond ridiculous. I have personally gone from full support for Israel to now not even supporting Israel's right to exist. And I can't be the only one. I feel sorry for the (clearly increasingly rare) "normal" people of Israel but they will soon need to move out of Israel to not be bundled in with the crazies.
Israeli here. This shit is infuriating for me to read and a big shame on all of us but I don't think that's a fair take for all of us to have to "move out" (where to exactly?). Do all Americans need to move out because Trump is in power? Or because what you did in Iraq (twice), in Afghanistan, in Vietnam?
I simply don't think it's a sensible take that a whole populace is evil beyond repair and therefore must be evacuated - I don't know of this argument ever being applied to any group not even the Nazis.
I think you make a good point about collective responsibility, and it's really quite crazy to see suggestions that a good answer to ethnic cleansing is more ethnic cleansing. This is quite literally how the whole conflict started in the first place. One would hope some lessons had been learnt since the 40ies.
However, I would advise caution in regards to historical parallels you bring up. At the end of the WW2, millions of Japanese colonists have forcibly expelled and the same happened to millions of German civilians, where at times they were displaced from the regions where they've been living for hundreds of years. Then of course you're familiar with has been happening to white population in many African countries following the decolonisation. After the fall of the USSR, Baltic countries have been doing their best to push out their Russian minorities. The unfortunate reality is that "population exchanges" and "repatriations" have been common methods of righting the historical wrongs in the modern era.
Have you been there? I have, 3 times, Tel Aviv/Petah Tikva for work. It's a strange place, I don't mean strange in a bad way, but somewhat alien compared to the US. The daily dynamic was amazing, food, shopping, the city, the sea, but then getting on a commuter train involved going through a metal detector. My coworker carried a sidearm because he commuted from Jerusalem and back, and things in Jerusalem were a bit shaky at the time, circa 2020. Ladies in camo with rifles in the shopping malls. It was really something else, like a different timeline. I'd love to go back, but being interrogated by El Al and then again at Ben Gurion is an acquired taste.
Flying cars, Super Duper Intelligence, AGI and yet we can't even stop these, we can't even have peace on earth, we can't avoid conflicts. What good these technological advances are if we can't prevent ourselves being violent apes?
Your "leftist, Islamist propaganda" is all over the "leftist, Islamist" media such as the Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN, Al Jazeera, Der Standard:
"leftist islamists" is the new "Bolchevic jews", and i consider the people using the first to have a similar* ideology to the one who used the second 90 years ago.
*Not the exact same, but the details would be lost here.
Because only IP discussion have a special protected status for discussion on HN making the above comment less whataboutism and more pointing out the hypocrisy of the discussion and concern over the actions.
What's also bad about all this is that journos were told to be here by the "settlers". Big international news didn't wake up that day and all decide to go to the same place, they were invited.
The settlers know what they're doing and know how it looks internationally. While the IDF, government of Israel, and the Israelis who vote for it all vote for this, they consider themselves bulletproof. They're bragging as they ruin these Palestinians' lives.
Just like Iran, this is extremism that has to be fixed internally at a very low level, but it also looks like they're just getting started. I'd make historical comparisons but I don't need to. As standalone events, these are bad enough to require action.
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[ 0.65 ms ] story [ 14.4 ms ] threadThe amount of apologism, denial and support for the horrors Israel is perpetrating, in this forum, is unreal.
I guess you are the kind of person that when someone says "I don't like the iphone" jumps up and says "well, Samsung sucks!", the all white or black kinda guy?
This has become beyond ridiculous. I have personally gone from full support for Israel to now not even supporting Israel's right to exist. And I can't be the only one. I feel sorry for the (clearly increasingly rare) "normal" people of Israel but they will soon need to move out of Israel to not be bundled in with the crazies.
It always was, but things are now coming to light because their war crimes are being broadcast live for everyone to see from first person point of view.
Thank you for siding with the right side of history.
Internal polling in Israel had percentage of Israeli Jews who support the genocide and mass targeted murder of children as high as 98%, and 85% Of Israeli Jews want more brutality and cruelty. Even the internal polls showing the lowest percentage of support for the genocide show support by Israeli Jews greater than 90%.
A country engaged in genocide needs to exist for your personal benefit? To carry out an obviously failed dream which was sold to the masses as the only viable option to be "safe" from extreme regimes and beliefs?
The West created and supported terrible individuals and dictatorships in the entire region, publicizing them to craft false narratives as a means of controlling the masses, despite it giving these people more power and connections. This fueled instability and showed how to become an effective enemy. It's beyond irony that the most dangerous of these threats have roots from direct funding and weapons from the USA/West, while groups and civilians became more organized and extremist directly in response to Western interference over decades. The evidence is clear, modern "wars" are driven by vain political "optics" and individual enrichment. You can't think outside the narrative and rhetoric of these systems and then conclude external action is going to make you safe.
We covertly and overtly mess with their lives, country systems, and leadership. We fund terrorists, criminals, and mercenaries to get our desired result. We invade and fight however we please, insert whoever will benefit us, then retreat on a whim, after destroying the infrastructure and systems of democratic response except for protecting access to what we can take (oil), without a plan for the country or citizens. We leave it to fester, forget the country exists, then later wonder why a country in shock and decline ends up being controlled by violent groups. We then pretend to wonder why the hardened citizens who fought for/with/adjacent/by-proxy for us and lost everything (loved ones, community, home, sense of belonging and safety) suddenly become radicalized. Then we use that as an excuse to start interfering again, or even wipe them out, on repeat. We also respond far harsher to any perceived interference with both hard and soft-power, such as killing civilians (including children), trapped in a country now run by these terrorizing dictators that we either directly supported, trained, or influenced.
By crazy mental gymnastics, many people then believe the conclusion to this is we are clearly superior beings living in the optimal societal system, ignoring the fact that these are humans just like us doing very predictable human things. This gets extended to an extreme belief that we must (and can, and have the right to) eradicate entire groups of people or races and/or re-educate to our way of living. The hyper-rationalizations of our actions to arrive at such flawed logic appears to be a symptom of the system which has been capitalized on for decades; such a complex and abstract atomized society forces us to find a coherent internal narrative that feels safe, aligned, and connected to (the hyper-real) external reality.
Closer to home, our own citizens died in failed wars based on lies, meddling, false-flag operations, scaremongering, and fearful rhetoric. Yet we still believe what we see and fail to question how a lifetime of this leaves us brainwashed into unquestionably feeling superior. It requires active effort to critically question our beliefs in such a system. Those that can't cope watch our own politics and media become extreme, hateful, doomer rhetoric, to be angered into attacking people in our own countries for being slightly different, family even. It's an unnaturally inflated feeling, engineered to heighten the primal fears of anything "other" than what's declared to be correct.
We aren't led by example and we don't have good discussions. Education is to generate workers and self-autonomy, not to provide enlightenment or for personal development. Many never play fair and are praised for it. The past is somehow simultaneously irrelevant and yet paramount, so we are trapped in a loop of exploitation which sucks the life out of culture. We have no vi...
Life ain't perfect and it's never going to be. Just because someone has to choose between two evils it doesn't make them an evil person - the hippie idea "why don't we just all sit and join our hands around a camfire" simply doesn't work. So the next best thing is that I need to protect myself and the people dear to me from the externalities of, let me quote the most famous politician of 21st century, shithole countries.
Israeli here. This shit is infuriating for me to read and a big shame on all of us but I don't think that's a fair take for all of us to have to "move out" (where to exactly?). Do all Americans need to move out because Trump is in power? Or because what you did in Iraq (twice), in Afghanistan, in Vietnam?
I simply don't think it's a sensible take that a whole populace is evil beyond repair and therefore must be evacuated - I don't know of this argument ever being applied to any group not even the Nazis.
However, I would advise caution in regards to historical parallels you bring up. At the end of the WW2, millions of Japanese colonists have forcibly expelled and the same happened to millions of German civilians, where at times they were displaced from the regions where they've been living for hundreds of years. Then of course you're familiar with has been happening to white population in many African countries following the decolonisation. After the fall of the USSR, Baltic countries have been doing their best to push out their Russian minorities. The unfortunate reality is that "population exchanges" and "repatriations" have been common methods of righting the historical wrongs in the modern era.
Technology never changes the human nature. It only makes it more efficient.
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2026/10/16/palestinians...
* https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/16/world/middleeast/israeli-...
* https://edition.cnn.com/2026/10/16/media/washington-post-jou...
* https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/10/16/palestinians-us-jo...
* https://www.derstandard.de/story/3000000344596/nahost-verlet...
*Not the exact same, but the details would be lost here.
What about Turkey burning Kurdish forests for years and not a post about it? why is the world so hypocrite https://www.asparagusmagazine.com/articles/the-turkish-milta...
The settlers know what they're doing and know how it looks internationally. While the IDF, government of Israel, and the Israelis who vote for it all vote for this, they consider themselves bulletproof. They're bragging as they ruin these Palestinians' lives.
Just like Iran, this is extremism that has to be fixed internally at a very low level, but it also looks like they're just getting started. I'd make historical comparisons but I don't need to. As standalone events, these are bad enough to require action.