This is how you start getting the users back. The Lake Ontario naming situation pushed me to using them. It has been working great in CarPlay. My wife loved the unicorn. I get to avoid (or hunt) Flock cameras. Everyone wins.
> The Lake Ontario naming situation pushed me to using them
I hate the name change too but it did go through official channels, so what else is a map provider supposed to do? Should they have also refused to rename Mt. McKinley to Denali? I mean, I'd actually be proud to see an overtly partisan declaration that they won't honor a single name change from this administration, but that's a much different matter than taking it case by case. I suspect the real reason the rename hasn't happened is that MapQuest's software simply isn't capable of doing it gracefully.
Also, hope you have a good adblocker when you use MQ. They are owned by bottom feeders of a sort that makes Bending Spoons look like the FSF.
What "official channels" exist for renaming things that aren't even within your borders? It's less like renaming McKinley to Denali and more like "renaming" the Atlantic Ocean to the America Ocean. It's blatantly stupid, not acknowledged by most human beings, and won't last five minutes in history, and all of these facts are obvious to anyone who isn't stupid or corrupt, so what is the big mystery? What are they supposed to do besides what? You either adopt a frivolous rename or you don't.
It is actually fairly common for bodies of water that have more than one country on their shores to have different names in different countries. Same goes for mountains and mountain ranges on borders.
Some examples for bodies of water:
• Persian Gulf/Arabian Gulf
• Sea of Japan/East Sea
• South China Sea/West Philippine Sea/East Sea
• English Channel/La Manche
Some examples for mountains and mountain ranges:
• Mount Everest/Sagarmāthā/Chomolungma
• K2/Chogori
• Kjølen/Fjällen (the range on the Norway/Sweden border)
• Krušné hory/Erzgebirge (the range on the Czech Republic/German border)
• The Misty Mountains/Hithaeglir
• The White Mountains/Ered Nimrais
Yes, the renaming by the Trump administration was stupid, and almost certainly will be reversed.
Nevertheless the US government is now required to use those names. If the FAA needs to mention those places in a NOTAM, or NOAA in a weather alert, etc., they use those names now, so it would be a mistake for a map company to just ignore them.
The proposed rename breaks the HOMES (Huron, Ontario, Michigan, Eerie, Superior) acronym all of us in Michigan learned, and is thus doomed to failure. Because SHAME is a much worse acronym.
Deferring to Government naming is only one possible approach. OpenStreetMap takes another: “the name that people use on the ground”. The Gulf of Mexico is still the Gulf of Mexico in OSM and will remain so until popular parlance changes.
OP is attempting to draw a connection between renaming international bodies of water with longstanding, internationally recognized names with renaming a few small local hills, valleys and landmarks, ignoring size and scale and the motivation behind the renaming.
$PRESIDENT asked people to call $PLACE by $NEWNAME for political reasons. Some people and companies did, including Google and Apple.
By using the words "folded to the will of their country’s king" that poster is implying the President did an illegitimate power grab and the companies ought to have kept the old name on their maps.
The reply is pointing out that if this was really the issue, people should have applied the same logic in the prior instance when PRESIDENT="Biden" and PLACE="Squaw Harbor, Alaska".
I don't think it's intended to be a joke at all, rather it's suggesting the line of reasoning is inconsistent / hypocritical.
We should have a society where every website operator should be able to make an honest living selling ads to everybody who wants information. Instead our public discourse is so messy and angry that any action or inaction gets seen as an outrageous, inflammatory political choice that pisses off half the country. (This paragraph is my personal opinion.)
"Republicans buy sneakers, too." -- Michael Jordan
Huh? People weren't upset about Biden renaming shit because it wasn't intended to upset people. Trump's decisions were quite literally intended to piss people off because he's a narcissist and can't stand to be out of the spotlight for 45 seconds.
Google and Apple have a policy of showing every user what their own government officially recognises. For the entire history of Google maps there have been disputed borders and names where Google just shows users different results based on their location.
What no? It's pandering. Pandering of course works, that's why it's done. But just because you're the one being pandered to, doesn't mean it's not pandering.
This shows the license plate readers i added last week on openstreetmap so we know where the data comes from. Nice render on their map - even shows camera direction
This data all stored in OpenStreetMap via DeFlock and other apps. One thing that should be said is that anyone can plot a camera via these apps whether or not one is actually there or not. I know that OSM community has been dealing with a lot Flock related vandalism because of these apps.
The full export of OSM is about 2TB but the US is only around 100GB even if you go to insane levels. It's disproportionately large because there are a hell of a lot of OSM-ers in the US ;-)
Anyway what we should do is keep a few clean snapshots of the US as a backup, on hosting safely outside the US - or US-owned companies.
Yes, but the people who edit the US map data are mostly in the US and we should be providing safe storage and a safe way past the Great Firewall for them.
You are using Meta glasses and worrying about surveillance? I don’t want to be mean, but if you run around with one of those, I would want to be alerted of _your_ presence..
Very cool to see, and I'm curious if they'll start logging where Axion cams are next (if DeFlock doesn't already have Axion cameras logged). Also like how MapQuest doesn't lock multiple destinations behind needing an account, at least for the desktop version.
Reminds me of Mozilla, another aging tech company grasping for relevance through political pandering. I wonder if eBay will refuse to sell MAGA hats next.
I guess this is Mapquest's business model. Don't cuck to the Trump admin when he changes the name of a body of water on a whim, and show us where obtrusive technology is so we can avoid it. Cool
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[ 0.23 ms ] story [ 31.3 ms ] threadI hate the name change too but it did go through official channels, so what else is a map provider supposed to do? Should they have also refused to rename Mt. McKinley to Denali? I mean, I'd actually be proud to see an overtly partisan declaration that they won't honor a single name change from this administration, but that's a much different matter than taking it case by case. I suspect the real reason the rename hasn't happened is that MapQuest's software simply isn't capable of doing it gracefully.
Also, hope you have a good adblocker when you use MQ. They are owned by bottom feeders of a sort that makes Bending Spoons look like the FSF.
Some examples for bodies of water:
• Persian Gulf/Arabian Gulf
• Sea of Japan/East Sea
• South China Sea/West Philippine Sea/East Sea
• English Channel/La Manche
Some examples for mountains and mountain ranges:
• Mount Everest/Sagarmāthā/Chomolungma
• K2/Chogori
• Kjølen/Fjällen (the range on the Norway/Sweden border)
• Krušné hory/Erzgebirge (the range on the Czech Republic/German border)
• The Misty Mountains/Hithaeglir
• The White Mountains/Ered Nimrais
Yes, the renaming by the Trump administration was stupid, and almost certainly will be reversed.
Nevertheless the US government is now required to use those names. If the FAA needs to mention those places in a NOTAM, or NOAA in a weather alert, etc., they use those names now, so it would be a mistake for a map company to just ignore them.
Deferring to Government naming is only one possible approach. OpenStreetMap takes another: “the name that people use on the ground”. The Gulf of Mexico is still the Gulf of Mexico in OSM and will remain so until popular parlance changes.
https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/secretary-haaland-takes-ac...
https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/interior-department-comple...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Piestewa
By using the words "folded to the will of their country’s king" that poster is implying the President did an illegitimate power grab and the companies ought to have kept the old name on their maps.
The reply is pointing out that if this was really the issue, people should have applied the same logic in the prior instance when PRESIDENT="Biden" and PLACE="Squaw Harbor, Alaska".
I don't think it's intended to be a joke at all, rather it's suggesting the line of reasoning is inconsistent / hypocritical.
We should have a society where every website operator should be able to make an honest living selling ads to everybody who wants information. Instead our public discourse is so messy and angry that any action or inaction gets seen as an outrageous, inflammatory political choice that pisses off half the country. (This paragraph is my personal opinion.)
"Republicans buy sneakers, too." -- Michael Jordan
Oops, sorry, didn’t notice you were in Canada eh?
Likely story. No way Google could tell Canada and the US apart.
Same for the Gulf of Mexico.
Language is another dimension on top of location when it comes to maps. At least the German maps pretty much translate that label 1:1.
Anyway what we should do is keep a few clean snapshots of the US as a backup, on hosting safely outside the US - or US-owned companies.
And as a former Google Maps employee... I'm loving it.
Like Mapbox, I assume they have a profitable business selling their mapping services to other companies.