What are the best IRC channels for developers, security, networks, programming, general tech discussion, data science, etc. Just looking for some recco's.
I hang out on Freenode, in #nimrod, ##php, #elementary-dev and a couple of others.
I'd love to know some good security ones to idle in; I've got a bit of experience in it and am trying to expand it some more, and would love a place to ask questions regarding web security and the like.
It comes and goes. It's way less serious and more off topic and casual than HN, but there are quite a few of us there.
Other than that one, I sometimes visit tech specific channels like #erlang or #chicagoboss or whatever I'm using... #postgresql is pretty good, #rubyonrails is a bit crowded these days.
There are very few people with ops in there and one of them is well known on HN (http://swombat.com/). Now that I think of it I've never seen any other op speak.
Personally, I never found IRC to be a helpful tool for learning new things from unfamiliar people.
To me, IRC has always been a "grapevine" tool, where etiquette, social pecking orders and gossip are shared amongst a smallish close-knit social circle. IRC always feels more like a social scene, and a distraction.
If anything, perhaps an IRC channel is useful for managing fluid, rapidly changing situations, where you might need an up-to-date, live information source, to use in immediate decision making (hence, why bot net command and control tends to be integrated into IRC programs), but, otherwise, chat logs from IRC usually read like a disorganized array of participant's various scattered streams of consciousness.
Are you looking for reading material, or a hangout?
On the flip side hanging out in #nginx taught me so much. I started helping out other people. Started a blog to write about common topics which caused me to write a book about nginx and currently planning another one. Ultimately IRC is a tool and like most other tools it is what you make of it. Become a contributor to channels and you will learn so much.
Many IRC channels have the kind of social pecking orders you describe, either in the form of in-groups or general rudeness to newbies, but many are still extremely informative and helpful.
I disagree with this for many application or language specific channels on Freenode. In fact some Freenode communities have a #subject-offtopic channel which is intended for the social chit-chat you described, and if you're seen making small talk in the #subject channels you often find yourself getting your wrists slapped and told to take the conversation elsewhere.
As for channels I've found useful; all Freenode:
#go-nuts (Go language)
#mysql (no explanation needed)
#android-dev (for times when I'm scratching my head while writing Android apps)
I tend to think of these types of IRC channels as real time support; on occasions when I've tried to resolve an issue myself, failed and couldn't find any applicable manual, blog, nor stackoverflow question online to guide me through.
I am not a programmer but when I was messing around with and making stuff with Processing last year I went to the IRC for assistance and I could not have been treated any nicer. It was like having 3 teachers there whenever I needed them (most of the time). I think it is #processingjs on freenode maybe.
But yeah, I would definitely go to IRC for help based on that experience
Although I agree with you, as others have pointed out you're selling IRC short for certain use cases. Language or domain specific channels are great for getting rapid responses to well thought out queries.
> To me, IRC has always been a "grapevine" tool, where etiquette, social pecking orders and gossip are shared amongst a smallish close-knit social circle. IRC always feels more like a social scene, and a distraction.
This is certainly a problem is many IRC channels, but I have no idea what to do about it. One thing that is annoying is watching interesting conversation get disintegrated by the regulars taking over to talk about banal everyday topics like what they're currently eating or just ate, etc. If you hang out in any room for long enough you're likely to experience the "I've been here since..." pissing contest.
IRC is still massively useful though. Don't sell it so short.
Edit: I forgot to mention that IRC is also a base for lots of open source project collaboration. Look at the mozilla irc network for an example. Getting rapid responses to check your assumptions is really helpful if you have to touch an unfamiliar section of the code base for a patch.
I haven't had great experiences there personally. The conversations aren't the most enlightening and there's a lot of ripping on new developers asking obvious questions. I'm a decent developer at this point, but early on, asking questions in there wasn't pleasant. I'm a big proponent of encouraging new developers of asking lots of questions and those that discourage it are really not helping the community.
That said, it's not all bad. I still hop in every now and then.
This is going to be borderline off-topic as it's not general for developers.
I have to mention #clojure on freenode for being an incredibly welcoming IRC channel. The discussions you will see can be very interesting, and the community is more than often willing to help. Living in Japan, I was worried about the timezones being an issue, but there seems to be people from different parts of the world on the channel, making it very nice.
Second on #clojure. Although I've noticed it got a bit 'crowded' the last couple of months. It sucks for me since now my questions often get drowned. :P
There is one particular use of IRC channels that is insanely useful, that I'd like to share.
On various programming language channels, there are ad-hoc expression evaluation bots that experienced people use to guide newcomers through the intricacies of the language. If you're new to Haskell, for example, what you can do is grab the logs for the past 3 years, grep for "> " (used to invoke the evaluator) and you have instant insight into how an experienced Haskeller's mind works. It can speed up your learning by a factor of 10 compared to reading papers / blogs / formal tutorials. I know because it did this for me.
< Iceland_jack> xQuasar: We are cooperating with you, you're just not aware that your goal is learning Haskell
Hilarious with 1984 undertones. I love it!
Yes, I definitely recommend the #haskell IRC channel on Freenode. It is such a friendly place where everyone is eager to help. I have learned a great many things from my time there. It's one of the biggest reasons to learn the Haskell language!
An approach that seems to work well for me is to use IRC as a way to communicate with groups people that mostly I know in person and share a common interest with. That way, I'm able to avoid a social pecking order or having to be "initiated" into a group. You may already be in one of these groups already, though the medium isn't necessarily always IRC--think Skype (text) chats groups with a subset of regulars.
Remember, you can always drag others along with you and start your own channel.
Nowadays, I mainly hang out on irc because of the #lesswrong channel on freenode. There is plenty of intelligent discussion, HN readers and no real topic.
I've found #bash to be full of very helpful people. They don't get tired at all of being asked common bash questions. On most channels, if you ask a common question, they tell you to RTFM. But not on #bash. They still tell you to RTFM, but nicely, and usually after they give you an actual answer. Especially that greybot guy.
Tangentally related: #gaygeeks on FreeNodes. Tired of being the old LGBT person amoung you geeky friends? Tired of being the only geeky person amoung your LGBT friends?
#lp101 on ...I think?...EFNet was the hotbed of locksport/mechanical security discussion and research for quite a while. I was amazed by some of the results of IRC-based collaboration in that community.
I've recently been using SaltStack and have found #saltstack on Freenode to be very welcoming and helpful which is nice. Often you go into a channel and it's a ghost town or out right hostile to relatively simple questions. I think OSS projects in general could learn a bit of "marketing" in this regard, if your IRC channels are toxic, I immediately think your community as a whole may be toxic.
I'll second this -- #salt is a welcoming channel full of informed and helpful types. Similarly #mynt. Heck, I'd suggest that almost any free software project where at least one of the primary developers loiters would be an answer to your question.
Not that I know of. One should really be started, as the suggestion given is usually #startups on Freenode, and I didn't last 5 minutes in that room. Really poor experience from the start. Not that sharing #hn around is going to result in a better room, but it would be great to have some faster conversation around stories posted on HN, among other topics. I know I have had my mind changed, or at least challenged, regarding some of my beliefs from discussion here.
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[ 3.4 ms ] story [ 165 ms ] threadThose are on freenode, there are channels for software users (e.g: photoshop) but on a different servers.
I'd love to know some good security ones to idle in; I've got a bit of experience in it and am trying to expand it some more, and would love a place to ask questions regarding web security and the like.
Other than that one, I sometimes visit tech specific channels like #erlang or #chicagoboss or whatever I'm using... #postgresql is pretty good, #rubyonrails is a bit crowded these days.
To me, IRC has always been a "grapevine" tool, where etiquette, social pecking orders and gossip are shared amongst a smallish close-knit social circle. IRC always feels more like a social scene, and a distraction.
If anything, perhaps an IRC channel is useful for managing fluid, rapidly changing situations, where you might need an up-to-date, live information source, to use in immediate decision making (hence, why bot net command and control tends to be integrated into IRC programs), but, otherwise, chat logs from IRC usually read like a disorganized array of participant's various scattered streams of consciousness.
Are you looking for reading material, or a hangout?
As for channels I've found useful; all Freenode:
I tend to think of these types of IRC channels as real time support; on occasions when I've tried to resolve an issue myself, failed and couldn't find any applicable manual, blog, nor stackoverflow question online to guide me through.But yeah, I would definitely go to IRC for help based on that experience
> To me, IRC has always been a "grapevine" tool, where etiquette, social pecking orders and gossip are shared amongst a smallish close-knit social circle. IRC always feels more like a social scene, and a distraction.
This is certainly a problem is many IRC channels, but I have no idea what to do about it. One thing that is annoying is watching interesting conversation get disintegrated by the regulars taking over to talk about banal everyday topics like what they're currently eating or just ate, etc. If you hang out in any room for long enough you're likely to experience the "I've been here since..." pissing contest.
IRC is still massively useful though. Don't sell it so short.
Edit: I forgot to mention that IRC is also a base for lots of open source project collaboration. Look at the mozilla irc network for an example. Getting rapid responses to check your assumptions is really helpful if you have to touch an unfamiliar section of the code base for a patch.
That said, it's not all bad. I still hop in every now and then.
I have to mention #clojure on freenode for being an incredibly welcoming IRC channel. The discussions you will see can be very interesting, and the community is more than often willing to help. Living in Japan, I was worried about the timezones being an issue, but there seems to be people from different parts of the world on the channel, making it very nice.
On various programming language channels, there are ad-hoc expression evaluation bots that experienced people use to guide newcomers through the intricacies of the language. If you're new to Haskell, for example, what you can do is grab the logs for the past 3 years, grep for "> " (used to invoke the evaluator) and you have instant insight into how an experienced Haskeller's mind works. It can speed up your learning by a factor of 10 compared to reading papers / blogs / formal tutorials. I know because it did this for me.
Some great stuff in there :)
Remember, you can always drag others along with you and start your own channel.
Nimrod's gang (including Araq) are very friendly and welcoming.
#julia and #d are very quiet though (except for the bots).
And #emacs -- well, that one channel which is lenient towards off-topic chats!
#debian on EFNet also has a great bunch of people.
It's also where I found out about a handy tool for demystifying EXPLAIN output: http://explain.depesz.com/
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#vim - I usually get an answer within about 60 seconds of asking.
#laravel - awesome community
#hackernews on freenode.