Ask HN: My boss lowered my salary to make me more motivated
I work 9 hrs every day in the office and another 2 at home and my boss calls me in to say I'm not working hard enough and he's lowering my pay "to motivate me". I have a triple role in the company and am close to the product design / dev / roadmap decision making.<p>I feel humiliated and angry at the same time, and am in need of any advice on how to approach this.
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[ 5.1 ms ] story [ 152 ms ] threadWhen an employer does something like this given the role you are providing to them they are either dealing with financial issues and taking them out on you (which could mean you might not have a job in the near future anyways), or they simply have no respect for you and what you provide (simply not a healthy environment for anyone to be working in). Another possibility is they're trying to create a hostile environment in order to get you to quit so they don't have to fire you and pay unemployment benefits (if that's relevant in your local).
It may seem scary, but you'll be better off moving to a new job. Start looking now before you're in a worse position.
1) Find out a few companies hiring in your area through deep research.
2) Contact a few people in these companies to get a lay of the land on the positions and the environment. In short, informational interviews over coffee. DO NOT ASK FOR THE JOB IN THIS STEP. JUST DON'T.
3) Your objective should be to see which jobs you'd like to do, and which jobs you can do. The intersection will go on your final list.
4) Keep contact with the coffee interviewees by sending them interesting links, or other 'gifts' and by that I don't mean basket of chocolates, I mean any valuable information/links/thoughts that could help them with whatever - business or personal. Reach out once right after meeting, once one week later, and once every month from here on.
5) Craft your Resume and cover letter focused on THE NEEDS OF THE HIRING MANAGER. Think of your resume as a story you're telling the hiring manager that resonates with him based on his needs.
6) Nail the interview .
If any step from 1 to 6 goes wrong, go back to the previous step and carry on.
Good luck. Oh and show your boss the finger when you walk out with a new offer for 10-20% more pay.
Up and leave. Head held high. Finger in the air, LOL.
Seriously though don't look back. Don't let them say "We will give you back your full salary if you stay"
Pull out a calculator. Assume you were previously working 40 hour weeks (he loses those 3 overtime hours a day as a matter of course). Now multiply by your new salary and divide by the old one. That's how many hours per week you're going to work for the short amount of time you're still there.
If your boss notices and complains, you can explain the math to him, and calculate the figure he'll need to pay to get back to those 55 hour weeks he was previously accustomed to.
Seriously, bail.
However.. I think there may be an opportunity for personal growth here. Though it's probably too late to fix this situation, you can be prepared for the next time.
Put yourself in his shoes. He wouldn't do this for no reason. What makes him think you aren't working hard enough? What do you think are his main issues with your specific behaviors and actions?
Are you failing to show the results of your labor? Are you busting your balls on 80% of the problem, but never closing out that last 20%, making it look like you never did anything?
It's important that your boss understands your role in detail, your accomplishments in full (soon after they happen), and your value to the company.
What is getting lost between your effort and his comprehension of that effort?
Also, my CEO doesn't have enough insight into my work, unlike my superior who I've never had issues with nor was I ever verbally or in written manner told I was falling behind on work.
However, my superior wasn't in the office at the moment this happened and I couldn't get him to stand behind me, but looking at this now (few hours later), the CEO chose the perfect moment to do this.
So, to summarize: I did say I am overloaded, I presented my accomplishments, but the decision was final.
Also, start daily status reports. Mail them at normal closing time and again after your overtime if you do it. Mark what you got done, what is in process, and what is next up.
When a new task comes in, add it to the list in the proper place. If a running task was bumped to make room for an emergency, that gets an ALL CAPS NOTE marking the change in priority.
Mail these to the boss and BCC them to yourself in a personal account. Keep copies of his replies as well.
At best, the act of mailing these alone should show that you're trying to keep on top of things. It might reveal to the boss how much you have on your plate. At worst, you have a paper trail if it does lead to a constructive dismissal situation.
This sounds like a lot of work and a waste of time in my opinion. If they can't tell what OP is working on, he/she is either:
a) in a really bad situation and should leave ASAP
b) there is some validity for the pay cut
c) there is money issue with the company
Maybe I've been fortunate with my previous employers as they were generally willing to bend over backwards to make me happy, since I got things done. If his/her employer is clueless as to what OP is doing, then really it's a bad situation for all.
Unless OP is in love with their current job, adding paper work to their day to day task would be a waste of time in my opinion.
If OP really wants to hold onto the job this is a tactic to keep the termination at bay and micromanaging to a minimum...possibly. It's also a backup where if bnt is fired and wishes to get a lawyer in the mix, he has an audit trail. Boss might say "bnt did nothing" when the email in fact shows he was working as best as he possibly could and was completing tasks and boss was acknowledging those completions.
You probably have as much insight as I do about bnt's location, family situation, cash reserves, and local job market conditions. "Leave ASAP" could be a week or it could be 6 months.
Documentation is fine if you get into a wrongful discharge situation or you're looking to fight opinion of you but unless you're planning to sue these guys, or you really think you're going to cause an epiphany for the CEO, it's better to just GTFO and move on with your life.
Good-luck!
Take some of the advice many people have provided:
- Document everything - Stay professional - Look for another job
1. http://www.lindermyers.co.uk/can-an-employer-reduce-an-emplo...
It probably is; act accordingly. Continue working if you want, but do no more than your job requires, and only the number of hours per week your country requires without overtime. Find a new job ASAP and contact a lawyer/solicitor.
1) prepare yourself to leave the job: save money, dedicate time to search for jobs, update resume, etc.
2) Write note summarizing the hours you put in, what your roles are, and how the pay cut is disappointing.
3) Practice a conversation with your boss expressing what you have written w/o getting emotional or angry. Just an informative talk. Prepare to give him a chance to respond.
4) Have conversation, give him note, verbally inform him that you will only be working on your responsibilities while in the office. The other time is to find a job. Do not verbalize this to him, he will figure it out and probably ask you about it. Have a response ready that is on the line of 'the cut in pay effects my personal life and expenses.' You do not want to directly say you are looking for another job.
5) Hand him note and send same note to his boss or human resources. If he is the top of the food chain, perfect.
6) Spend the time you would be working to find a job.
7) If he reconsiders his pay cut, have followup conversation that the trust had been damaged. Ask him to fix the situation.
8) Leave unless he goes above and beyond to fix trust.
Cut your work hours to 40/week MAX. Use your own time for the job search, instead of unpaid overtime for an organization that does not value it.
If you're working in an "at-will" state (which I'm guessing you are) and you are NOT under a contract (which previous data has led me to believe you are not) you do NOT have to give two weeks notice. Two weeks is a courtesy and nothing more.
You can quit on the spot. In fact, do it and do it nicely and when the boss goes ballistic about finishing up work you are doing then you can make a gentle offer to contract back at a much higher HOURLY rate. It needs to be higher for two reasons: 1) because legally you're gonna have to pay self-employment taxes on it but 2) you're gonna leave with a little bit of pain on his side. With the possibility of your current company being tight on cash you might want to be sure you get prepaid some # hours before you set foot back in the door. Collecting might be tougher after the fact.
And whether you leave on the spot or work those last two weeks, DO leave yourself a week of decompression time before the next job. You'll start a lot fresher and be in a great mood. Start dates are always negotiable and don't have to be exactly two Mondays after the offer letter is printed.
The important question is: "Do you have an emergency fund of 6-12 months living expenses?" If you risk being homeless if you miss a paycheck, you're an idiot and you have to suck it out. If you have cash reserves, push back and be prepared to walk and refuse to work more than 40 hours a week.
At my current project, the owner did the EXACT SAME THING (asked me to work more hours for the same salary). I refused. I'm still there for the same hourly rate. I've been actively looking since. I haven't found my next project yet, though.
If you quit, know that it is likely exactly what your boss wants.
[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_dismissal
I would never advise someone to keep working a job that takes advantage of them, just to spite someone else's wishes. If they are a bad company and make you work overtime for substandard pay, who cares if they're happy to see you go? Go, and shake their dust from your heels as you leave.
I don't know the OP's particular situation, but constructive dismissal can be very relevant when someone is pushed out of a job where they would otherwise be expensive (e.g. severance) to terminate. This is what constructive dismissal laws are in place to prevent.
In either case, as you say, the right thing to do is quit, but the OP should be aware of the laws in their jurisdiction, in case they have a case worth pursuing.
Judging by the OPs one other post on HN that they could give up 20 hours of time a week it would also be difficult to get some people to accept that the OP was fully motivated in what they were doing and working their hardest.
I'm not a fan of burning bridges, BUT: I'm no lawyer, but if your pay cut is immediate I cannot see why you can't also leave immediately. If you are in a place with a buoyant job market the most satisfying thing to do might be to just not go back to work and get another job (assuming you can afford to survive the time that might take). Even if your employer does want you out, I bet they aren't prepared for you to leave immediately, a little bit of payback that may cause them a lot of stress and not much for you (although a bit like constructive dismissal, doesn't do your reputation a lot to good).
His minimalist approach to the work ethic has really inspired you to cut out all the crap from your day and simply focus on getting the important things done.
You really appreciate his willingness to see the big picture and contravene the tired old conventions of workplace motivation, going against centuries of outdated thinking by introducing this radical innovation and clarity of vision.
You will no longer refer to what you do as "work", as that clearly references a model of "work for hire" that he is clearly moving away from by reducing the "hire" component, and instead you will refer to it as "life participation".
He has inspired you to go against the tired old conventions of workplace thinking and "participate in life" at places not bound by the restrictions of obsolete convention, so in future he can expect you to build product from such places as your living room, the park, a public library, or even a bar. You will "life participate" for periods of time not bound by outmoded traditional thinking, and turn up when your willingness to participate in life is matched by your enthusiasm for being at the office.
In short; two can play at that game and he needs to be reminded of the rules.
It hasn't started off well, and likely there's little that the submitter can do to make it end well. The main questions are to decide between 1) quit, or 2) get fired.
I'm with kohanz. This sounds like constructive dismissal. A common response is work-to-rule or rule-book slowdown. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule . Do what your job description demands and no more.
Fire up your job-searching abilities and look to giving your time and talent so someone that perhaps might appreciate it, because it sounds like this Fuck of a boss isn't the one to do so. This life is too short to waste on the stupidity of someone else.
Once he calls you up as he needs your help tell him that it will cost him $xxx per hour for contracting, granted this only applies if you actually want to do it.
Also, it reminds me of this: http://www.27bslash6.com/bob.html
Is this in the USA? Europe? Lowering your salary is actually legally troublesome in a lot of places, and you may be able to seek legal help. I know in the US your state's Department of Labor (or equivalent) usually LOVES to hear these stories and crack down on these sorts of employers. Ironically for this site, I don't know how California works with this stuff.
Understand the law where you live, take advice if you can, but absolutely 100% look for another job and get out.